Paradox Interactive Thread: V2 The cartographers nightmare. - Games

Here is an interesting quote. "We're going to make it better than EU4" [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=croguy;43642829]I hope the map won't be Mercator projection.[/QUOTE] It is probably going to be what ever they used for HOI 1 2 and 3. [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] I completely skipped over the EU4 and CK2 Expansions CK2: Raja's of India EU4: Wealth of Nations Rajas makes the map 50% bigger adding India, Wealth of Nations focuses on diplomacy and trade.

Fucking hell. These expansions are more like raids on my finances. I seriously love EU4 too much not to get the big ones when they come out.

Paradox can have all my money now. They can just take it. I love their games too damn much.

India in CK2 will be interesting.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;43642762]For which game? Victoria 2 to HOI4?[/QUOTE]Yeah for those two, sorry I should've been more specific.

HOI4 Press-release Discription and System Requirements [quote]Hearts of Iron IV challenges players to face the brutal conflict of World War II in a multifaceted grand strategy game, where history can be fully relived or rewritten from the perspective of a global superpower attempting to change the world, or a small nation simply trying to survive. Strategy fans will discover the most authentic real-time simulation of World War II to date, with authentic historical figures battling on land, sea, and air with period-accurate armies, vehicles, and newly discovered weapons of mass destruction – along with plenty of diplomatic and trade tactics. Prepare for the biggest global conflict in history! You are now in command of World War II! Your ability to lead your nation is your supreme weapon, the strategy game Hearts of Iron IV lets you take command of any nation in World War II; the most engaging conflict in world history. Create your own history. It is time to show your ability as the greatest military leader in the world. Will you relive or change history? Will you change the fate of the world? Features Total strategic war – The war is not only won on land, on the seas and in the air, but also in the laboratories, the factories, the backrooms, in international trade and in the hearts and minds of men and women. The most authentic real-time simulation of the war – Let the greatest commanders of WW2 fight your war with the tools of the time; tanks, planes, ships, guns and newly discovered weapons of mass destruction. Fight as any nation in the greatest human conflict of all time – Chose from the greatest powers striving for victory, or the small nations trying to weather the storm. SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS System Requirements: Windows XP/Vista/7, Intel® Pentium® IV 2.4 GHz or AMD 3500+, 2 GB RAM, 2 GB free hard drive space, NVIDIA® GeForce 8800 or ATI Radeon® X1900 video card, 512Mb graphics memory required, resolution at least 1024*768, Direct X-compatible sound card, DirectX 9. MULTIPLAYER UP TO 32 PLAYERS On PC, Mac, and Linux![/quote] Some 'Concept art' [url]http://www.paradoxplaza.com/sites/default/files/heartsofironiv_d-day_landing_0.png[/url] [url]http://www.paradoxplaza.com/sites/default/files/heartsofironiv_rommel_desert_fox_0.png[/url] [url]http://www.paradoxplaza.com/sites/default/files/heartsofironiv_v2_reserachv_0.png[/url]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43642871] I completely skipped over the EU4 and CK2 Expansions CK2: Raja's of India EU4: Wealth of Nations Rajas makes the map 50% bigger adding India, Wealth of Nations focuses on diplomacy and trade.[/QUOTE] Fuck yeah India. I wonder how far east they're willing to go, some China would be pretty awesome.

Oh god HOI4 yes! I can't wait for it, when is it coming out??

[QUOTE=Adarrek;43643566]Oh god HOI4 yes! I can't wait for it, when is it coming out??[/QUOTE]No details on the release date yet it seems. [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] Won't be out this year [url]https://twitter.com/AsaTJ/status/426380757809262592?screen_name=AsaTJ[/url]

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;43643624]Won't be out this year [url]https://twitter.com/AsaTJ/status/426380757809262592?screen_name=AsaTJ[/url][/QUOTE] That's too bad, I'll have a lot of free time on my hands starting June. Guess I'll get the DLC collection for CK II, instead.

I hope they add some Prester John stuff for CKII, it'd be really interesting

Expanding the map out further east means they'll need to completely overhaul Mongol invasions. I wonder how they plan on doing that.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;43644514]Expanding the map out further east means they'll need to completely overhaul Mongol invasions. I wonder how they plan on doing that.[/QUOTE] I'd expect it'll amount to doubling their doomstacks

Dev quote on HOI4 "More sandbox. Determinism in the path of failure."

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;43644514]Expanding the map out further east means they'll need to completely overhaul Mongol invasions. I wonder how they plan on doing that.[/QUOTE] It depends how they expand the map. I wouldn't be surprised if they made something like this: [t]http://u.cubeupload.com/Kljunas/edSanstitre.jpg[/t]

"Our goal is to do what we did between hoi1 & hoi2 and apply than on hoi3." [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] "Hoi4 will have much more options for the player when it comes to affecting country politics"

Ugh, frustrations. Starting with the Old Gods it seems like Paradox has run out of ideas and is then grabbing the lowest denominator stuff from the forums, making the game less and less about what it is supposed to be about and instead shoehorning everything and everyone into this faux-feudal structure. At least Sons of Abraham was a step in the right direction again, but supposedly didn't even do well. I don't know about anyone else at this point, but I got into CKII for the actual 'Crusader Kings'. Sure would love to see something about changing up the godawful crusade mechanics. I mean, I'll wait and see what it's like because they usually bundle these things with massive general patches, but the title alone is kinda disappointing.

Shit just setting a gathering point for crusades, ala Constantinople during the first or Venice during the Fourth, would be great rather than having a hundred minor European armies die to easily gathered Egyptian doomstacks

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43642871] EU4: Wealth of Nations [/QUOTE] Trade companies and perhaps more emphasis on industries like in Eu3 would be fun.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43644526]I'd expect it'll amount to doubling their doomstacks[/QUOTE] What I mean is that the Mongol Empire will actually spawn from all start dates now instead of just one specific date, then the Ilkhanate and Golden Horde will spawn in the middle of the map, possibly on land that the Mongols already conquered, THEN you have even more hordes spawning right on top of the Mongol Empire because the Mongol Empire was supposed to have broken apart but usually doesn't because it's almost impossible for Empires to permanently fall apart in CK2. There's also the possibility of Seljuk going in the wrong direction but he already tends to do that.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43645669]Trade companies and perhaps more emphasis on industries like in Eu3 would be fun.[/QUOTE] Yes please! Ever since Conquest of Paradise came out, every single time I get on multiplayer with my friend we always devolve into lamenting that there aren't trade companies for Africa and Asia to stop Portugal from holding all of West Africa as an extension of Portugal proper by 1550. Also, protectorates suck.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43644688]"Our goal is to do what we did between hoi1 & hoi2 and apply than on hoi3." [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] "Hoi4 will have much more options for the player when it comes to affecting country politics"[/QUOTE] One thing i disliked is how it was impossible to join axis as say the USA no matter how hard you tried even with cheats. I know it's not supposed to happen but if i try really hard enough it should be possible. Also the different parties in your government were useless as i could never switch my goverment type no matter what so here is me hoping they will fix that.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;43644667]It depends how they expand the map. I wouldn't be surprised if they made something like this: [t]http://u.cubeupload.com/Kljunas/edSanstitre.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]They should make India it's own map, instead of literally expanding the map as a whole. I think that might address the possible problem of mongol invasions, etc.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43644459]I hope they add some Prester John stuff for CKII, it'd be really interesting[/QUOTE] Prester John, for all intents and purposes, was Ethiopia, who's already in the game (And very interesting to play as.). Islamic expansion cut them off from mainland Europe, leading to the myths and fables about a "Prosperous eastern Christian kingdom"

[QUOTE=Frayyyy;43645849]Yes please! Ever since Conquest of Paradise came out, every single time I get on multiplayer with my friend we always devolve into lamenting that there aren't trade companies for Africa and Asia to stop Portugal from holding all of West Africa as an extension of Portugal proper by 1550. Also, protectorates suck.[/QUOTE] I played a Russia game and they don't really do anything. You don't really have any incentive for creating them. Protectorates should at least be annexable or something when they westernize. [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=kamikaze470;43646607]They should make India it's own map, instead of literally expanding the map as a whole. I think that might address the possible problem of mongol invasions, etc.[/QUOTE] There should just be a stand alone India title. Hell, China would be more interesting for this in my opinion.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;43647003]Prester John, for all intents and purposes, was Ethiopia, who's already in the game (And very interesting to play as.). Islamic expansion cut them off from mainland Europe, leading to the myths and fables about a "Prosperous eastern Christian kingdom"[/QUOTE] Yeah didn't mean that it should be Prester John in India, just that it seems like as good as time as any to add Prester John events to the game

Prester John myth was Ethiopia

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43647933]Prester John myth was Ethiopia[/QUOTE] Okay

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43647189]I played a Russia game and they don't really do anything. You don't really have any incentive for creating them. Protectorates should at least be annexable or something when they westernize. [editline]23rd January 2014[/editline] There should just be a stand alone India title. Hell, China would be more interesting for this in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Recent region-specific games like March of the Eagles and Sengoku did not do so well in sales if I recall. If we follow that trend then I suspect another one—focusing on India or China—might not do so well either. In China's case, it [I]might [/I]but I still doubt it.

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;43648343]Recent region-specific games like March of the Eagles[/QUOTE] I wasn't interested in MoTe because I wasn't really a fan of the short time period and focus on a single conflict. Chinese/Asian history can play through centuries. Uniting China through CkII intrigue and such would be pretty fun. Not to mention that the warring states period is pretty iconic so that could make a good starting point. Is Sengoku any good? I've heard that its more complicated than HoI3.