Paradox Interactive Thread: V2 The cartographers nightmare. - Games

[QUOTE=Chronische;44266367]Is the mod ready because that looks pretty cool.[/QUOTE] not by far, but it will need beta testers eventually

I've never seen the USA involved with a Colonial War outside of North America before [t]http://puu.sh/7ADsA.jpg[/t]

so my first game as england in eu4 ~100 years in : vassalized portugal, naples (feeding), and have a PU over france and castille edit: forgot to mention I formed GB and have a full fed norway vassal ready to annex, and that I already annexed brittany + flanders of course this was super easy because I won 100 years war with loans. castille PU was all luck (they were originally my ally)

So why the fuck do I not get a casus belli against a country whom I launched a [I]crusade[/I] against? I was fighting France as Burgundy for a few decades and only gained a few provinces, but then I saw that Constantinople had fallen so I called a crusade on the Ottomans. EUIV btw.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;44251938][t]http://puu.sh/7xcI7.jpg[/t] With a strong christian rule no dirty Ottomans will challenge Europe. Hopefully I don't end up like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_II_of_Constantinople"]Baldwin[/URL] and have to sell my son and priceless christian artifacts to survive :v:[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/AiHN3yx.jpg[/t] A rump Byzantium is always a sad thing to behold.

So I understand and really enjoy all of the paradox titles, the HOI series I find a bit more difficult but still fun. The only one I haven't managed to grasp very well is Vicky II, gonna try and learn it tonight. Wish me luck. :v:

[QUOTE=orcywoo6;44291223]So I understand and really enjoy all of the paradox titles, the HOI series I find a bit more difficult but still fun. The only one I haven't managed to grasp very well is Vicky II, gonna try and learn it tonight. Wish me luck. :v:[/QUOTE] Play the USA. It practically industrializes itself and you snowball into #1-3 GP unless you do something really stupid and/or lose New York.

Currently playing a game where I formed the empire of francia and managed to absorb most of spain, italy and the northwestern part of africa. having a retinue cap of 60k+ is crazy.

i just performed an afk game in my mod for eu4 to see what would happen [IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/795190159835808595/DE7A864DC1613F5F0AA9D8008B633653E0B719DA/[/IMG] basically, lysimachus AI is better at being ottomans than what the actual ottomans ever are in eu4...

Raja's patch seems like it'll be interesting A few highlights I noticed - Added diplomatic range, blocking diplomacy and councillor actions vs too distant characters - Factions will now revolt as a single unified realm under a temporary title - Added attrition for units that have been "out-of-supply" for too long (can't live off the land in neutral counties, etc) - Blocked "North Korea Mode"; you now lose huge parts of all income and levies if your demesne is too big - You no longer get an opinion bonus from your vassals for defending against rebels, adventurers and the like - You can no longer call allies to help you defend against peasant, heretic and religious rebels Looks like the game's about to get a lot harder [QUOTE]MAJOR - Major map revisions and additions: East Africa, Armenia, Central Asia, Siberia and India - Added Steam matchmaking support - Added Steam workshop support - Added diplomatic range, blocking diplomacy and councillor actions vs too distant characters - Factions will now revolt as a single unified realm under a temporary title - Added attrition for units that have been "out-of-supply" for too long (can't live off the land in neutral counties, etc) - Added support to change window mode setting: fullscreen, borderless or windowed - New unit type system allowing for more flexible unit types, including War Elephants, Camel Warriors and Horse Archers - Blocked "North Korea Mode"; you now lose huge parts of all income and levies if your demesne is too big - Save games are now compressed by default (can be toggled on and off) - Major memory and performance optimizations MINOR - Added opinion malus for holding a character in prison. - Added opinion malus for former lovers. - Characters can now have up to five lovers at the same time. - Tweaks and improvements to many events and decisions. - Scripted civil wars in history files should now work properly. When scripting civil wars, defender must always be added before attacker for them to work properly. - Now possible to revoke honorary titles. Revoking an honorary title with a positive opinion modifier will anger the previous holder. - Added support for multiple lovers. - Impregnation of lovers is now handled in the code. - Updated all events to use the new scripting logic for friends, rivals and lovers. - Characters will no longer get 'Marriage Ties' opinion bonus towards their spouse. - Fixed a bug that was preventing vassals from being able to be called into war under certain CBs that were scripted to allow it. - CBs that call other vassals into a revolt will now automatically call all vassals when war is declared. - Sons asking for titles can now start an adventure for one of your titles if refused. Especially common among Muslims. (event 37000) - Timur and Seljuk now arrive in a more involved fashion and need to survive before they launch their great gambit - Children can no longer pick up the religion or culture of a guardian if the guardian does not share the religion or culture of his employer - The Nestorians are no longer a heresy, and have their own holy order (The Order of St Addai) - Added the Messalian heresy (Nestorian) - Made the Paulician heresy (Orthodox) - You can no longer usurp the sole primary title off of someone with a different religion if he has any holdings within it - You no longer get an opinion bonus from your vassals for defending against rebels, adventurers and the like - You can no longer call allies to help you defend against peasant, heretic and religious rebels - Added a decision to conscript merchant ships if playing a ruler with overseas holdings - Reduced piety gained from battles - Increased piety cost of Muslim Invasion CB - Whether a character is too insignificant for anyone to care if you execute them is now determined by whether they have any titles, claims, or titled close relatives - Children, incapable characters and prisoners can no longer join factions - The decision to acknowledge bastards as your own now works again - Becoming infirm will now abort self improval ambitions - Characters now lose the ambition to get married upon becoming eunuchs or homosexual - Cathar women can now have the same career ambitions as men - Can no longer reform the Orthodox religion, instead one has the Decision to restore the Ecumenical Patriarchate - Events can no longer make tech points negative - Fixed a rare crash related to loading savegames with events referring invalid characters - Cathar vassals no longer have negative opinions for liege or liege's heir being female - Expelling holy orders now blocks further Decisions towards them - Holy Orders can no longer ask for the right to build castles in the lands of vassals of someone who has expelled them - If a Holy Order is your vassal when you expel it, it will be set free - Added missing decision to expel the Bektashi Order - No longer possible to hire holy orders that you've expelled - Reduced the number of standing troops of the Knights of Calatrava and Santiago - After a successful decadence revolt, the new ruler only gets weak unpressed claims on vassals who choose independence - Increased chances that vassals will choose independence after successful decadence revolts - Doubled the Prestige that newborn characters get from their dynasty at birth - Doubled the Prestige you get from the dynasty of your spouse when marrying - Added missing de jure capitals to the Kingdom of Anatolia and the Duchies of Spoleto and Latium - Added a prisoner age check to event 50010 - Added updated flags for titles within the Arabian, Mali and Byzantine de jure empires - Fixed a couple of location triggers in Christian monastery events. - Fixed bug in bookmarks reading of files - Fixed duchies names not showing properly in de-jure duchy map mode - Added Camel Warriors retinue type to Arabic culture - Fixed crash bug when units die of attrition - Tweaked max attrition just so slightly - Improved the Sons of Abraham version of the heresy appearance event (SoA.4000) - Strengthened adventurers in general - The king of Jerusalem is no longer allowed to vassalize the Knights Templar or the Knights of St John if they are too powerful already - Tweaked the cultural conversion events a bit, mainly to improve the special Mongol conversion factor - Corrected the terrain in many provinces - Fixed a bug where saves where primary title was dynamic didn't have CoA - Fixed a bug that if the primary title was dynamic the character was not auto selected after loading - Fixed a bug where kicking someone out of the lobby would make that character unselectable - Fixed a bug where selecting a player in the outliner would sometimes navigate to an incorrect province - Fixed a bug where map borders were not correctly loaded when going into multiplayer - Fixed a bug where map names were not correctly loaded when going into multiplayer - Cash, Prestige, and piety commands can now be used with values smaller than 1 - Text field cursor position fixed in multiple cases - Fixed a bug where children would lose their guardian upon reload - Fixed a bug where only a single opposite trait would be removed - Famagusta is no longer an Abbasid vassal in 867 - Loot bar regrows more slowly now - Fixed an issue where event flags would sometimes not clear properly after tournaments, feasts and similar events - Fixed the triggers for a number of minor events where people could get the event even if they didn't have the correct religion - Fixed broken trigger for the Decadent Warrior achievement - Cut "succession wars" and all (mostly obsolete) mechanics to do with vassal revolt risk - Jews can now also hire the Abyssinian and Nubian mercs - Fixed a nasty bug where whole Patrician families could be genocided on succession - Added events for the rise of the Ghaznavids - Added a negative opinion modifier for vassal kings vs their emperor liege - Improved or fixed religion triggers in many events - Improved localization for a number of older events - Minor tweaks to effects for many events - Added a special decision to form the HRE - Events are now saved and loaded from saves - Compressed saves are now saved with meta data to improve performance - Localisation of other languages now defaults to English - Flags now appear and disappear when you're the correct height above the ground - Saving the game with a dynamic title now saves the correct COA and automatically reselects the character you played upon loading - Some minor changes to the save games format to improve backward compatibility - Save games list now show if the save is unsupported - Added equal-opportunity tumbling of courtiers for women and homosexuals. INTERFACE - Family view now uses a larger siblings box if character's religion does not allow secondary spouses or concubines. - The "Threats" tab in the Intrigue View is now filled with appropriate characters - Added an "Adventurer Threat" alert (replacing the old "Angry Vassal" one) - When choosing educate character for a child, a suitable guardian will now be pre-picked (for the cases where you don't want to bother to pick one yourself). - Added a new tab to dynastic view that shows friends, rivals, in-laws and lovers. - Religion/Culture filter in character finder now actually filters by religion/culture instead of religon/culture group. - Pressing the skull icon will now navigate to the killer (if he is known) - Court tab now shows councillors as well - Improved a lot of title and culture colors - Added opinion modifiers to the trait tooltip - Fixed tooltips for trigger 'has_guardian' and 'has_regent' - Corrected the tooltip for the trigger 'any_claim' - Pressing on red character skulls now navigates to the murderer - Character view now shows the correct piety icon for the selected character - Expel Jormsvikings was missing localisation AI - Much less likely to plot against characters they have a high opinion of. - Much less likely to form factions against characters they have a high opinion of. - Improved guardian selection logic. - More prio on converting demesne provinces over vassal provinces. - Less willing to marry young male characters to older women. - Will now detach and move away if their parent stack is suffering severe attrition. - Will now keep attrition-free event troops mostly consolidated instead of spreading them out. - Now takes terrain and unit quality into account when determining whether to run away from enemies. - Smarter about when to assault if there are enemy troops nearby. - Better at determining who to attach to in war. - Better at coordinating with allies in war. - Will no longer declare suicidal faction independence wars that only have a fraction of their liege's power. - Now smarter about when to hire mercenaries in a war. - Less willing to fold to independence, pretender and antiking factions. - Will now never fold to a very weak faction. - Will stop more plots. - The Hordes will now be more prone to head in the "right" direction. - Will now execute dynasty decisions. - Smarter about title revocation. - Will not start claimant factions for old women, or a parent of the current ruler. - Muslim characters are more likely to pick up the 'Gain a Title' ambition. - Foreign rulers are now generally quite willing to take on wards as hostages MODDING - Added support for multiple lovers. - Can now block minor titles from being revokable. - The faction power level at which you get a warning alert is now scriptable. - Now possible to script vassal_opinion, liege_opinion and sex_appeal_opinion into modifiers. - Now possible to mod whether character interactions require a character to have their cost in prestige/piety on hand to use the interaction. - Now possible to mod out character interactions entirely through defines. - Added new define NOT_SPOUSE_FERTILITY_MULT that governs impregnation chance between non-married lovers. - Added new define MARRIED_LOVERS_FERTILITY_MULT that governs impregnation chance between married lovers. - Added triggers num_of_lovers, num_of_spouses, num_of_consorts, is_lover. - Added scopes random_consort, random_lover, any_lover. - Friends and rivals can now be added and removed with add_friend, add_rival, remove_friend and remove_rival. - is_friend and is_rival now check correctly against rival/friend rather than high/low opinion. - pacifist in religion groups is now called ai_peaceful. - pacifist=yes in religions now denotes religions with decreased aggression and stable realms. Only works on Jain religion if player does not own Rajas of India. - pacifist=yes in script now checks if character belongs to a pacifist religion. - Can now script AI conversion behaviour for religions & religion groups. - Added MAX_JOINED_FACTIONS to defines, sets how factions a character can be a part of (including led ones). - Added scriptable static modifiers for characters of different ages(0-15, 16-19, 20-29, 30-49, 50-69 and 70+). - Added allow_join to factions, this restricts whether characters can join factions. - Added peace_piety_gain for religions - Added designated heir functionality - Added flag 'feminist = yes' to religion scripts (defines that a religion is not prejudiced against female rulers). - Added trigger 'is_lowborn' - Added trigger 'num_of_dynasty_members' - Added the ability to change the name of piety for religions. - Added real_tier, lower_real_tier_than, higher_real_tier_than triggers. These work like a regular tier check except that they ignore temporary titles. - Added peace_piety_gain for religions - Added designated heir functionality - Mercenaries have now been moved to their own script file - Implemented scriptable troop types. - Fixed portage crash bug. - Support for ocean to ocean rivers. - Added a 'character_modifier' to religions - Added a 'character_modifier' to cultures - Fixed feminist flag that can be used in religions to make em not care if ruler/heir is female. - Added character_modifier for religions - Can now define ranges of sea zones to make life easier. - Can now define seperate oceans to help the pathfinding. - Added trigger 'has_overseas_holdings' - Added 'Player' text promotion - Added trigger 'is_within_diplo_range' - Added 'de_jure_counties' console command (shows a map mode) - Added a 'manifest_destiny_invasion' CB for various special cases - Fixed some issues with marriage texts, the 'on_marriage' action and modding - Added effect 'copy_random_personality_trait' - Added 'reincarnated' trigger - Added effect 'set_reincarnation' - Added event target 'reincarnation' - History action 'add_matrilineal_spouse' now has been fixed - Added error logs for incorrectly scripted birth and death dates - Added handling and error logs of incorrectly scripted mothers and fathers (fixes certain crashes) - Added 'secondary_event_pictures' to religions and culture - Added trigger 'can_copy_personality_trait_from' CONVERTER - Color table for converter is now in 0-255 range instead of 0-1 - Color table for converter can now script per CK2 title tag as well - Key provinces of Europe is now scriptable - Border provinces of Europe is now scriptable[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;44298629]Raja's patch seems like it'll be interesting A few highlights I noticed - Added diplomatic range, blocking diplomacy and councillor actions vs too distant characters - Factions will now revolt as a single unified realm under a temporary title - Added attrition for units that have been "out-of-supply" for too long (can't live off the land in neutral counties, etc) - Blocked "North Korea Mode"; you now lose huge parts of all income and levies if your demesne is too big - You no longer get an opinion bonus from your vassals for defending against rebels, adventurers and the like - You can no longer call allies to help you defend against peasant, heretic and religious rebels Looks like the game's about to get a lot harder[/QUOTE] [quote] - Children can no longer pick up the religion or culture of a guardian if the guardian does not share the religion or culture of his employer[/quote] Holy shit.

I'm pretty sure that you can still change a child's culture by sending him to a landed person in your realm who has a different culture. Not sure though.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44298692]Holy shit.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I heard that there'll no longer an infidel malus so it seems that you'll be able to send your child to foreign courts without difficulty. Though I'm not sure The only issue I can see is being able to cancel the education once you've achieved the goal of converting them. (Withdrawing the kid from the court after he's become Norse or Muslim or whatever, so you can continue his education yourself so they don't get shit stats that you don't want)

The guardian thing about culture/religion will still work as long as the dude is landed because then he is his own "employer". [editline]20th March 2014[/editline] Timur and Seljuk being have a lot of fun potential now. Imagine converting them and/or banishing them to a distant realm. Imagine Jewish Timur starting his invasion from Morocco.

Any hint of a price? Methinks 15 bucks, but who knows.

15 to 20 I bet

Why does colonies only gain the primary culture of the colonising country? Surely it'd be more realistic if there was a chance that some colonies would gain an accepted culture of a colonising country. ie: If Denmark owns Sweden and Swedish was an accepted culture, then any Danish colonies could also have Swedish as their culture.

[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;44306268]15 to 20 I bet[/QUOTE] I would buy a Chinese CkII in a heartbeat. India's still pretty interesting, hopefully I don't have to wait forever for a sale.

[QUOTE=Masamune;44289799]So why the fuck do I not get a casus belli against a country whom I launched a [I]crusade[/I] against? I was fighting France as Burgundy for a few decades and only gained a few provinces, but then I saw that Constantinople had fallen so I called a crusade on the Ottomans. EUIV btw.[/QUOTE] That's because crusades don't give CB, only bonuses against fighting that country for everyone who is your religion.

[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;44298629]- Blocked "North Korea Mode"; you now lose huge parts of all income and levies if your demesne is too big[/QUOTE] Hell YES

I wasn't even unaware that this "North Korea Mode" was a thing until now. [editline]21st March 2014[/editline] Punishing the player for having fun gaming the system (from the looks of it NK mode sounds like a complete hassle to even begin with) seems harsh to me. I understand if it's suppose to be for MP reasons or something, but still.

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;44307637]I wasn't even unaware that this "North Korea Mode" was a thing until now.[/QUOTE] Really? It's generally the easiest way to maintain stability and there really isn't a downside to it. Until now that is.

[QUOTE=Virtanen;44307649]Really? It's generally the easiest way to maintain stability.[/QUOTE]Yeah, never once thought about hoarding everything to myself. I usually only keep to myself a few whole duchies if my demesne size can handle it, while for everyone else in the realm I try to enforce a 1-2 title policy to avoid any one vassal from becoming too powerful. It generally works well for me stability-wise but revolts would happen occasionally every now and then. Though they're almost always easy to put down so it's basically a free relation boost for putting rebellions down every time. I also try to avoid giving any form of relative ever any form of title because that tends to sow the seed for conflict later down the line. And you don't see any of these as downsides? [url=http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?602954-Maximizing-score-the-North-Korea-way]From the NK thread;[/url] [quote]* Your income is directly dependent on the amount of piety you have. If you have a tiny territory or a huge one - the income is still limited by piety. You need piety to imprison & banish city barons for income. If your leader has little piety, then you can get into a pickle in regards to money. There are techniques to minimize this as I'll discuss below. * Peasant revolts. Oh god, the peasant revolts. When doing this technique with the Byzantine Empire, I'd wound up deploying permanent standing armies to roam around and put down peasant revolts. * Tedium. To be honest, this method got very annoying after a while. Farming your nobles takes more effort than simply receiving taxes. Also, putting down peasant revolts is tedious. * You can't change laws. Since all of the vassals hate you, they're not going to agree to any law changes. [/quote]

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;44307710]* Your income is directly dependent on the amount of piety you have. If you have a tiny territory or a huge one - the income is still limited by piety. You need piety to imprison & banish city barons for income. If your leader has little piety, then you can get into a pickle in regards to money. There are techniques to minimize this as I'll discuss below. [/QUOTE] As mentioned, there are techniques to minimize this, add to that the fact that the current penalties simply aren't high enough to be anysort of obstacle in my experience. [QUOTE=kamikaze470;44307710]* Peasant revolts. Oh god, the peasant revolts. When doing this technique with the Byzantine Empire, I'd wound up deploying permanent standing armies to roam around and put down peasant revolts. [/QUOTE] Not really that hard to deal with in my experience, if you're caught with your pants down, just borrow from the jews, hire mercs and crush the plebs. Never tried to do NK with Byzantium though so idk. [QUOTE=kamikaze470;44307710]* Tedium. To be honest, this method got very annoying after a while. Farming your nobles takes more effort than simply receiving taxes. Also, putting down peasant revolts is tedious. [/QUOTE] Subjective. [QUOTE=kamikaze470;44307710]* You can't change laws. Since all of the vassals hate you, they're not going to agree to any law changes.[/QUOTE] Non-issue, because in NK mode you don't have vassals.

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;44307637]I wasn't even unaware that this "North Korea Mode" was a thing until now. [editline]21st March 2014[/editline] Punishing the player for having fun gaming the system (from the looks of it NK mode sounds like a complete hassle to even begin with) seems harsh to me. I understand if it's suppose to be for MP reasons or something, but still.[/QUOTE] tbh "North Korea Mode" wasn't a problem in itself, but it being sustainable was just a symptom of demesne penalties being too weak. Like if in EU4 you could just not core your provinces and your nation would continue to function even at 1000% overextension. The simple fact that the benefits of NK far outweighed the downsides was ridiculous. I'm ok with such a playstyle being possible in theory but it really shouldn't be the [I]optimal[/I] playstyle. Otherwise it feels like the only reason I'm giving titles is RP.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;44308764]tbh "North Korea Mode" wasn't a problem in itself, but it being sustainable was just a symptom of demesne penalties being too weak. Like if in EU4 you could just not core your provinces and your nation would continue to function even at 1000% overextension. The simple fact that the benefits of NK far outweighed the downsides was ridiculous. I'm ok with such a playstyle being possible in theory but it really shouldn't be the [I]optimal[/I] playstyle. Otherwise it feels like the only reason I'm giving titles is RP.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Perfectly put.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;44308764]tbh "North Korea Mode" wasn't a problem in itself, but it being sustainable was just a symptom of demesne penalties being too weak. Like if in EU4 you could just not core your provinces and your nation would continue to function even at 1000% overextension. The simple fact that the benefits of NK far outweighed the downsides was ridiculous. I'm ok with such a playstyle being possible in theory but it really shouldn't be the [I]optimal[/I] playstyle. Otherwise it feels like the only reason I'm giving titles is RP.[/QUOTE] in north korea mode you'd have barely any income at all, if you had retinues you'd go in minus income simply from maintenance on them so you can't really call it the optimal playstyle.

The main way to make money is to encourage urban development. Make cities and raise obligations, or make cities for your subjects and either have liegship over it or increase feudal taxes to a manageable level.

Only build city holdings when possible. Having 3 or 4 cities with universities in them per province contributes a hella lot to tech development and income.

Without the managing of vassals you don't really have a game. Thats the whole point of CkII, unless you're playing as a vassal.