Paradox Interactive Thread: V2 The cartographers nightmare. - Games

[QUOTE=Masamune;46163806]What's the hardest start for Byz in CK2? I want to play them but I don't like playing large kingdoms/empires because it's too easy.[/QUOTE] Latin Empire bookmark maybe?

[QUOTE=Kljunas;46164347]Latin Empire bookmark maybe?[/QUOTE] Better yet, play as the Despotate of Epirus after the 1204 bookmark. Michael or Theodore, whatever. Destroy the Latin crusader states, reclaim Constantinople for the Doukas family (likely from the Laskaris who always easily sweep aside Emperor Baldwin and his descendants), and then beat back the Turks in Anatolia. Without checking the later vanilla starts, this at least adds the challenge of having to piece the empire together starting from a ducal title against a same culture/religion dynastic rival.

Does Prussia usually into Reich this early? [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/541880348990999244/717CE2EC23C88126D5BB17173EEDBC1FF333004F/[/t]

... I think I've only seen a small Prussia form on its own, once. Actually your entire screenshot doesn't make sense. Aside from Prussia, Novgorod and Lithuania are alive and thriving in 1800, Moldavia is huge, and Britain owns Finland.

[QUOTE=Dispenser;46161574]So how far can you go with the same save game using the converter? Does it go all the way from CK2 to Vic2? Will HoI4 allow save game converting so you can run a campaign from 700 whatever to 1948?[/QUOTE] Vic2 -> HOI3 Converter. [url]http://imgur.com/a/fsUIo[/url] I'll let you evaluate its effectiveness yourself.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;46169731]Does Prussia usually into Reich this early? [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/541880348990999244/717CE2EC23C88126D5BB17173EEDBC1FF333004F/[/t][/QUOTE] I've never even seen Prussia form before.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;46170411]Vic2 -> HOI3 Converter. [url]http://imgur.com/a/fsUIo[/url] I'll let you evaluate its effectiveness yourself.[/QUOTE] So does anyone know if HoI4 will offer better save game conversion? That does look kind of fun for a bizarro campaign, but not if you've been doing a campaign through all the other games to get to that point.

Creating the character in CK2 is the fun part, the hard part is making it past the first 5 minutes without a vassal declaring war on you.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46170954]Creating the character in CK2 is the fun part, the hard part is making it past the first 5 minutes without a vassal declaring war on you.[/QUOTE] I like that mod that unlocks the editor in CK2, it gives so much more freedom. And starting as a small country with high stewardship makes it so hose first five minutes will be vasselless

There will always be some kind of crisis on succession, really you can look at CK2 as just preparing until the inevitable shitstorm when your current character dies.

was playing the republic of amalfi from 867 954 something managed to blob most of southern italy except for doomstackshit byzants who had siciliy and the toe and heel of italy bent the knee to east francia, byzantines were landgrabbing my shit as much as they could, needed protection had about 3-4 duke tier doge titles danes pop out of nowhere, planned invasion of sicily most of my land gone what's this why have my icons gone blue what happened to my republic i still hold those duke level titles, but renamed to the feudal equivalents, so duke now confused

[QUOTE=Dispenser;46170764]So does anyone know if HoI4 will offer better save game conversion? That does look kind of fun for a bizarro campaign, but not if you've been doing a campaign through all the other games to get to that point.[/QUOTE] 99% sure that HOI4 will not be getting a converter, and its not meant to and hopefully wont. The game is set around WW2, its not meant to be a sandbox game.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46176955]The other games are better in handling things without events or other things. In HoI nothing happens without them.[/QUOTE]To be fair you could always set up the events and stuff yourself. I mean, hoi3 randomscenario was fun even if there really was no driving force for events to speak of, and if we're talking specifically about converted games, and possibly megacampaigns as a whole, there's lots of rich history created that'll provide you with those kinds of things.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;46176935]99% sure that HOI4 will not be getting a converter, and its not meant to and hopefully wont. The game is set around WW2, its not meant to be a sandbox game.[/QUOTE] paradox games are sandbox games now, I don't get why everyone is clinging to the idea that they're not.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;46176935]99% sure that HOI4 will not be getting a converter, and its not meant to and hopefully wont. The game is set around WW2, [B]its not meant to be a sandbox game.[/B][/QUOTE] I highly disagree. [img_thumb]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/486689151577723248/39358EFD21BC62FB4F9E2F6DB65405DDBBDE3A35/[/img_thumb] Sadly I don't have a pic of my friend and me becoming communist Mexico and Canada then taking over the U.S.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;46176935]99% sure that HOI4 will not be getting a converter, and its not meant to and hopefully wont. The game is set around WW2, its not meant to be a sandbox game.[/QUOTE] They've said HOI4 will have sandbox elements.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;46178924]They've said HOI4 will have sandbox elements.[/QUOTE] Didn't know that, cool I guess so long as it still plays out historically or a-historically. I just don't want to see Esti annexing the SU or other ridiculous shit.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;46178951]Didn't know that, cool I guess so long as it still plays out historically or a-historically. I just don't want to see Esti annexing the SU or other ridiculous shit.[/QUOTE] Um excuse me my friend did a Greece campaign in HoI3 where he took over most of Europe on his own. that's the best sort of fun.

I play Paradox games precisely for their sandbox elements. What's the fun in knowing how everything is going to turn out? (This is also why I turn off lucky nations if I get a chance). One of the reasons I never got along with Hearts of Iron I guess.

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;46179163]I play Paradox games precisely for their sandbox elements. What's the fun in knowing how everything is going to turn out? (This is also why I turn off lucky nations if I get a chance). One of the reasons I never got along with Hearts of Iron I guess.[/QUOTE] sorry to be [I]that[/I] guy but i'm not a fan of the sandbox elements like i love it when somethings go [I]slightly[/I] differently but not like luxemburg stretching from the atlantic to the pacific obviously they make for funny screenshots and challenges but still, eh...

[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;46182451]sorry to be [I]that[/I] guy but i'm not a fan of the sandbox elements like i love it when somethings go [I]slightly[/I] differently but not like luxemburg stretching from the atlantic to the pacific obviously they make for funny screenshots and challenges but still, eh...[/QUOTE] Different strokes, I'm glad they at least have the option to opt in/out of sandbox elements to a certain degree.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;46184172]The thing is, you dont want esti annexing USSR in HOI [I]as an AI.[/I] You expect them to act rationale, as it is a WW2 game, you dont expect Romania to DoW Yugoslavia or China annexing the Raj. Sure it is cool when you do that but when AI does, it is not that good. Sure there should be subtle twists, like Germany invading UK, or not starting the war at all and going a peaceful resolution. Communists winning election on 33' start, or USSR DoW'ing Germany in 43' when Germany hasn't done Barbarossa. Even USA siding with Nazis if there is no Pearl Harbor! But when it gets ridicolous, it is not that enjoyable anymore.[/QUOTE] Yeah this is what I meant, a-historical for the AI is always cool. I just want it to be plausible like perhaps if a more nationalist Sweden government existed or they're aligned with the Nazi's they directly join Finland in the Winter War. I also want the AI to not be hard coded among other things, mods are the reason I keep playing HOI3 and some of the limitations are awful.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;46184172]The thing is, you dont want esti annexing USSR in HOI [I]as an AI.[/I] You expect them to act rationale, as it is a WW2 game, you dont expect Romania to DoW Yugoslavia or China annexing the Raj. Sure it is cool when you do that but when AI does, it is not that good. Sure there should be subtle twists, like Germany invading UK, or not starting the war at all and going a peaceful resolution. Communists winning election on 33' start, or USSR DoW'ing Germany in 43' when Germany hasn't done Barbarossa. Even USA siding with Nazis if there is no Pearl Harbor! But when it gets ridicolous, it is not that enjoyable anymore.[/QUOTE] The thing is that I've never seen an AI in any of the Paradox games do something that silly. Seems like a mute point.

Upset at the lack of schism mechanics but I guess I'll give Charlie's Manger a try

Any suggestions on avoiding the elective succession factions from fucking me up a year in the game?

[QUOTE=Megadave;46187978]Any suggestions on avoiding the elective succession factions from fucking me up a year in the game?[/QUOTE] Imprison faction leaders and members if you ever get the opportunity to. You might get lucky and uncover a plot on the side that'll let you imprison them without penalty - once they're in your dungeon they'll leave the faction. Alternatively, try and raise general opinion of yourself. Make sure you're not holding too many duchies if you can avoid it and try to steer clear of direct vassals with the ambitious trait - anyone that has ambitious that serves under you is going to despise you regardless of what you do. There's a lot of stuff that influences general opinion so if you ever notice someone hates you you can mouse over the little window that shows their disposition towards you and it'll give you a rundown on exactly why they hate you.

Custom Kingdoms and Empires will make holdings 300x easier to seperate since you'll be an emporer pretty early.

[QUOTE=Pigbear;46188977]Custom Kingdoms and Empires will make holdings 300x easier to seperate since you'll be an emporer pretty early.[/QUOTE] I've always wanted to make a Kingdom of Estonia, so it'll be real easy now

[QUOTE=Pigbear;46188977]Custom Kingdoms and Empires will make holdings 300x easier to seperate since you'll be an emporer pretty early.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't think so: you still need a lot of piety/prestige/gold to make one, and I'd imagine Paradox would make the costs higher for custom empires specifically for this reason.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46190082]I've always wanted to make a Kingdom of Estonia, so it'll be real easy now[/QUOTE] You should totes read my AAR then [url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?796296-The-Dragons-of-the-North-an-Estonia-mega-campaign[/url]