Paradox Interactive Thread: V2 The cartographers nightmare. - Games

[QUOTE=Tuskin;41747372][url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/content.php?1552-Crusader-Kings-II-Patch-1.11-and-Customizer-Dev-Diary[/url] [editline]7th August 2013[/editline] Oh shit yes yes yes. You can finally rename your Empire/Kingdom/Holding[/QUOTE] Aw, I was kinda hoping you could rename titles such as changing the Duchy of York to the Kingdom of York, but that's still pretty neat.

Raising threat will decrease neutrality to whoever asked

[QUOTE=Chronische;41761464]That sounds like France in EU to me. What I'm saying is fuck France, fuck France players. It's too easy, lame, OP, boring, and fuck you for playing France.[/QUOTE] France is just EU's final boss

Fucking loving the shared port system if you have access to other countries ports. It's so fucking useful for Asian colonization to be able to get Access from the middle east or one of the Indochina nations.

Well that was easy [url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?706754-Play-as-any-nation-in-Demo![/url]

I don't understand how EU4's trade system works. Did one of the dev diaries explain it?

[QUOTE=scout1;41766226]I don't understand how EU4's trade system works. Did one of the dev diaries explain it?[/QUOTE]There was this one. [url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/content.php?1157-Europa-Universalis-IV-Developer-Diary-9-It-s-a-rich-man-s-world[/url]

Apparently no one in the thread other the OP can get it to work.

Now I notice why Muslims can field such large armies; their areas contains far more infrastructure and can field many more cities on average than most of Christendom. It's actually also really good to start invading it as early as possible for that reason, you'll need ridiculous sized armies to invade them later and then they will take massive attrition penalties as opposed to smaller armies at the beginning.

[QUOTE=Tureis;41770431]Now I notice why Muslims can field such large armies; their areas contains far more infrastructure and can field many more cities on average than most of Christendom. It's actually also really good to start invading it as early as possible for that reason, you'll need ridiculous sized armies to invade them later and then they will take massive attrition penalties as opposed to smaller armies at the beginning.[/QUOTE] You're talking about the Medieval one? That's because at the time, the Arab world was actually more advanced than the Western World(Not by much though) because they weren't being dragged down by feudalism, constant wars, and religious fundamentalists. It wasn't until after the crusades when Europeans started to catch up with the rest of the world.

[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;41770765]You're talking about the Medieval one? That's because at the time, the Arab world was actually more advanced than the Western World(Not by much though) because they weren't being dragged down by feudalism, constant wars, and religious fundamentalists. It wasn't until after the crusades when Europeans started to catch up with the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] I understand that, but the environments itself I figured would be harsh to settle (especially considering the mountainous areas). Also CK2 sure as hell doesn't represent that peace well considering all three of those things you mentioned are happening constantly.

Another Beta AAR [url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?706940-The-Other-Sultan-An-Oman-EUIV-Beta-AAR[/url]

Why did they have to make EU4 so different to EU3? It's just a complex stats hell now, all the UI's have WAY too much information on and they take up 40% of the screen, I can't tell what's happening anymore.

Ok, so in the EU4 demo files, it references USA DLC, apparently this DLC was the backup plan if the converter didn't work out, when the converter worked they abandoned work on it for now. [url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?706905-First-Post-Release-DLC-leaked&p=15907583&viewfull=1#post15907583[/url]

[QUOTE=Tureis;41770431]Now I notice why Muslims can field such large armies; their areas contains far more infrastructure and can field many more cities on average than most of Christendom. It's actually also really good to start invading it as early as possible for that reason, you'll need ridiculous sized armies to invade them later and then they will take massive attrition penalties as opposed to smaller armies at the beginning.[/QUOTE] That was the problem in the real world. The only reason the First Crusade succeeded was because the powers of Islam at the time were split into many competing factions, that and the Crusaders were extremely lucky a few times. After that the Crusader kingdoms were really only a rallying call and a source of legitimacy for Muslim rulers, Saladin being the most well known one. He used the removal of the Christians as an excuse to usurp power and bring together Syria and Egypt. Basically to win a crusade in Crusader Kings you [B]need[/B] France and the Holy Roman Empire, or else it will fail and there will be fifty thousand dead white people in Outremer.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41772336]That was the problem in the real world. The only reason the First Crusade succeeded was because the powers of Islam at the time were split into many competing factions, that and the Crusaders were extremely lucky a few times. After that the Crusader kingdoms were really only a rallying call and a source of legitimacy for Muslim rulers, Saladin being the most well known one. He used the removal of the Christians as an excuse to usurp power and bring together Syria and Egypt. Basically to win a crusade in Crusader Kings you [B]need[/B] France and the Holy Roman Empire, or else it will fail and there will be fifty thousand dead white people in Outremer.[/QUOTE] Or just be Brittania, or a rich as hell Republic. Then you can hire enough mercs to bulk out your forces enough to overwhelm the forces of whatever country holds the holy lands. Of course, that need not apply if, for once, the Pope calls a crusade for Andalucia (I've seen it happen once, managed to get my kid the title as king of Ireland and then I had a POWERFUL ally in Spain for further conquests.) They might call a crusade for anywhere they deem important to free from heathans, but they go after the Holy lands and Egypt first usually.

[QUOTE=Chronische;41772365]Or just be Brittania, or a rich as hell Republic. Then you can hire enough mercs to bulk out your forces enough to overwhelm the forces of whatever country holds the holy lands.[/quote] Yeah, I was just speaking about most reasonable countries, like England or Denmark, rather than mega blobs of doom or whatever. [QUOTE=Chronische;41772365]Of course, that need not apply if, for once, the Pope calls a crusade for Andalucia (I've seen it happen once, managed to get my kid the title as king of Ireland and then I had a POWERFUL ally in Spain for further conquests.) They might call a crusade for anywhere they deem important to free from heathans, but they go after the Holy lands and Egypt first usually.[/QUOTE] At the later bookmarks, when Andalusia starts in the hands of the Moors, the Pope calls a crusade in the first few days it seems. I think the Pope will only call a crusade for Christian land taken by heathens, or a select few other territories, like Outremer.

My problem with the crusades in CK2 is that the Christians always come along in ragtag groups while the Muslims constantly have colossal doomstacks (because the Egyptian sultanate for example owns half of the Muslim world), which in my opinion makes it pretty unbalanced. They're not even losing most of the time because the Muslims are better, the Christians are just unrealistically disorganized. There needs to be a way to band together troops from different lieges to make united strikes.

[QUOTE=Freakie;41772656]My problem with the crusades in CK2 is that the Christians always come along in ragtag groups while the Muslims constantly have colossal doomstacks (because the Egyptian sultanate for example owns half of the Muslim world), which in my opinion makes it pretty unbalanced. They're not even losing most of the time because the Muslims are better, the Christians are just unrealistically disorganized. There needs to be a way to band together troops from different lieges to make united strikes.[/QUOTE] That's actually how it went down. Every lord that led troops there wanted to be the head of the crusade, and it turned out pretty shitty. The way you get support for united strikes is being the most powerful lord around. They'll flock to you if you have the biggest stacks, and have captured a few territories already. The trouble is the really low attrition levels in the area, so low that even the muslim doomstacks lose soldiers to them.

In crusades, I usually just run after the HRE's army, and once I caught up, I just tell mine to keep following 'em, to contribute to a potential Christian doomstack. Then once the Muslim doomstacks are down, I start besieging places.

Well Crusaders would gather at major ports or cities and then depart, like Venice or Constantinople. Instead of ten groups of eight hundred men showing up at random parts of the desert eight thousand men would march overland to Antioch or land in Acre together. I would love if they would rework crusades so that the Pope chooses a city for crusaders to gather in, and then they depart together, or at least in much larger groups. As it is Crusades often have enough men to win, but they show up so randomly that they can be scattered and slaughtered by tens of thousands of Muslims.

If Crusaders gather at Constantinopolis during a crusade after a certain number of years, it should trigger the sacking and then form the Latin empire afterwards. Would be pretty cool, but maybe a bit too railroaded.

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;41773623]If Crusaders gather at Constantinopolis during a crusade after a certain number of years, it should trigger the sacking and then form the Latin empire afterwards. Would be pretty cool, but maybe a bit too railroaded.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's a problem. I was thinking about perhaps grouping crusaders into a sort of temporary faction so they work together? It would also enable relations between crusaders and factions, as in your example of camping too long in Constantinople. But it would also screw with larger factions. Another thing I'd like to see is representing the process of "taking the cross".

Would be cool if something like this would be implemented in the next (if there is one) DLC, which would presumably also include Theocracies?

[QUOTE=Freakie;41774245]Would be cool if something like this would be implemented in the next (if there is one) DLC, which would presumably also include Theocracies?[/QUOTE] A DLC dealing with ruling Holy Orders would be pretty awesome, although there's the small problem with continuing your dynasty.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;41775598]A DLC dealing with ruling Holy Orders would be pretty awesome, although there's the small problem with continuing your dynasty.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there is some way you can do it, they managed to do it for republics after all.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;41775598]A DLC dealing with ruling Holy Orders would be pretty awesome, although there's the small problem with continuing your dynasty.[/QUOTE] Should add the ability for Muslim/Pagan holy orders.

I feel as though there should be more reasons for war. Like I was married to the Empress of Scandinavia once and she was assassinated by a Jarl over there. I think it's really illogical that you as an Emperor wouldn't proceed with a full-scale invasion of the area after that, or even now playing as a Muslim my daughter was executed in a neighboring state; wouldn't I war against them for revenge?

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So guys, I got Crusader Kings II a while back. I skipped the tutorials, and from reading the OP, is it normal to be confused out of mind on how to play?