[QUOTE=MAC21500;44918259]IMHO, you should be able to do serious repairs AND reload if you RTB as you can with aircraft.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that would be a good solution.
[QUOTE=Skwee;44918257]it's also a game, so do what you just said?[/QUOTE]
It's a game so unless they're going to add a zone that you can quickly repair your tank in, they should make the repair times reasonable. Leaving the battle because it would be quicker to find a new match than wait for your tank to become operational again is pretty bad and shouldn't be something the player should ever consider as a better option
[editline]26th May 2014[/editline]
And I don't see how they could even add such a zone, because it would just encourage players to camp around it.
Maybe i care less because i just look at shit on my 2nd monitor while i wait. everyone should have a 2nd monitor, it is the bestest
[editline]26th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Valdor;44918287]
And I don't see how they could even add such a zone, because it would just encourage players to camp around it.[/QUOTE]
Larger less terrible maps would help. if tanks can't engage each other base to base then they wont stay in the base
If I don't see a turn around soon, I'm calling a fucking hiatus on tanks.
I'm tired of being shoveled shit teams. I can win 2/3 plane matches easily, but I'm just being handed dumbfuck after dumbfuck and am getting lucky for a single victory every three or four matches.
Not to mention these (ground forces) maps were designed by the most incompetent fucking monkeys with zero concept of sight lines or balance. They might actually be fun if they made half the map and used a copy-paste tool for proper symmetry, but no - they did it by hand and one side usually fucking steamrolls the other because of extremely unbalanced cover.
The last recorded matches look like this:
Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Win, Win, Loss, Loss, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win
I'm at the top of more than half of these. I can't take this much longer, I'm going to have to start squadding 24/7 or ditch tanks until I can escape this garbage.
[QUOTE=Doom14;44918770]If I don't see a turn around soon, I'm calling a fucking hiatus on tanks.
I'm tired of being shoveled shit teams. I can win 2/3 plane matches easily, but I'm just being handed dumbfuck after dumbfuck and am getting lucky for a single victory every three or four matches.
Not to mention these (ground forces) maps were designed by the most incompetent fucking monkeys with zero concept of sight lines or balance. They might actually be fun if they made half the map and used a copy-paste tool for proper symmetry, but no - they did it by hand and one side usually fucking steamrolls the other because of extremely unbalanced cover.
The last recorded matches look like this:
Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Win, Win, Loss, Loss, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Loss, Loss, Win
I'm at the top of more than half of these. I can't take this much longer, I'm going to have to start squadding 24/7 or ditch tanks until I can escape this garbage.[/QUOTE]
We World of Tanks now.
feels like everybody playing tanks right now are brainless bots that intentionally does stupid shit because they can't think better.
hello i'm in a stationary position trying to shoot, don't nudge my backside like an idiot and getting us both killed.
[QUOTE=Why485;44919305]We World of Tanks now.[/QUOTE]
Never. I reinstalled it a month back because I like ogling tank models.
I played one match just to see if my glasses had gotten rosy between any of the mud-stains.
I was somewhere between laughing, vomiting, and spinning in my chair. The fact I ever spent so much money and time on it makes me seriously question my own mental state.
[sp]I started winning more often once I went back to Germany. Fuckin' Russian bias.[/sp] :v:
To me it seems more like every game i'm in, no matter the nation (USSR, or germany, RB/ SB) I am on top of the team and my team ends up winning.
OR
I die quick and then forget about it because the next game is going to be me being on top of the team and my team winning.
[QUOTE=Skwee;44919367]To me it seems more like every game i'm in, no matter the nation (USSR, or germany, RB/ SB) I am on top of the team and my team ends up winning.
OR
I die quick and then forget about it because the next game is going to be me being on top of the team and my team winning.[/QUOTE]
Replace winning with losing and I'm in the same state. Except they win a lot of the ones I ditch.
I still have a tiny bit of WoT-Autist left in me that cares about winning, even though I'm making marginally acceptable amounts of money on these losses.
The majority of the tier 4 German players are some of the worst players I've ever seen, and I have the feeling most of them bought their way to tier 4 either by getting the premium JP or converting.
[editline]26th May 2014[/editline]
I don't even have to try to get top of the team, killing a single tank is often enough to put me 4x points ahead of the next player
I'm not liking ground forces much.
It seems what they have is actually decent but most of their choices on ammo, arty and br make it not much fun.
I gave up because I got sick of hearing "the gunner is unconscious" every time I get shot and Panzer II cannons one shotting my entire crew.
forgot to mention the maps and objectives
all really small near enough any tank can snipe and pen the full map distance and the capture points ruin the point of some tanks.
I was consistently having fun with it until I got a 3.3 tank then all the sudden nothing I fire destroys modules and every hit I take completely disables me with an 18 minute repair.
And every time I try planes it's the same story. I pour .50 cal into engines and fuselages but then die because a single stray round killed my pilot or cut off my wing.
I really want to like War Thunder because I can see a fun game here and it looks really good but for the life of me I can't figure out this damage model.
I just can't into planes. I lose 100% of the time, and the fact that there are only 100 people playing at a time makes me believe this is because the only people left actually playing the game are the ones that already know how to fly.
[QUOTE=Doom14;44919349]
I was somewhere between laughing, vomiting, and spinning in my chair. The fact I ever spent so much money and time on it makes me seriously question my own mental state.
[/QUOTE]
I rationalize it by remembering the only reason I paid money or time to get to tier 10 was to play with FP and that clan wars was pretty fun until the Pattoncaust.
If I hadn't stuck around for FPFP I probably would have spent half the money and quit after getting the Panther 2 well before the E-50 was added.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mbbird;44920467]I just can't into planes. I lose 100% of the time, and the fact that there are only 100 people playing at a time makes me believe this is because the only people left actually playing the game are the ones that already know how to fly.[/QUOTE]
I was into planes for awhile. It's pretty crazy because despite feeling like a total noob, I actually have several era 3 planes for American's because I played the closed beta for about two weeks straight before quitting out of boredom.
I come back every few months to try it again and just nothing works. I've posted out it in this thread before, sometime last year, but every game I go in to I don't even really get to dogfight or make a run for ground targets. A stitch of gunfire strikes my wing or cockpit and I'm gone.
I take back what I said about the Jagdpanther not being that great, the armor is pretty iffy but the speed and maneuverability of the tank make it much more flexible than the other German TDs
Still deserves two respawns if the SU-100 gets two
[editline]26th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pinut;44919691]I'm not liking ground forces much.
It seems what they have is actually decent but most of their choices on ammo, arty and br make it not much fun.[/QUOTE]
I don't like that arty is pretty much anti-German since the Russian tanks seem to actually have a bit of top armor
[QUOTE=Mbbird;44920467]makes me believe this is because the only people left actually playing the game are the ones that already know how to fly.[/QUOTE]
Noooooope.
Is it weird that I have a much much much easier time one-shotting tanks with the first pz 38t than with any of the era 2 tanks?
I haven't gone on a single streak over 10 since I left era 1.
Ferdinand is fucking awful
I think they should give the tank three respawns because this thing seems to set on fire from everything, I'm pretty sure my engine randomly set on fire as I was trying to climb a small hill
[editline]26th May 2014[/editline]
It's going to take a few thousand matches before I can even get enough xp to get the fire extinguisher
[QUOTE=Mbbird;44920467]I just can't into planes. I lose 100% of the time, and the fact that there are only 100 people playing at a time makes me believe this is because the only people left actually playing the game are the ones that already know how to fly.[/QUOTE]
I think its a question more so of sanity. The [url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8682580/Launcher%202014-01-31%2016-42-22-96.png]sane ones[/url] jumped off the cashcow train called warthunder a while ago.
Besides warthunders shitty fly by wire flight models arent hard to master.
[QUOTE=JDB;44920695]I think its a question more so of sanity. The [url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8682580/Launcher%202014-01-31%2016-42-22-96.png]sane ones[/url] jumped off the cashcow train called warthunder a while ago.
Besides warthunders shitty fly by wire flight models arent hard to master.[/QUOTE]
It's not flying, I can fly, it's the maneuvers. I don't get it all and I don't really have any great desire to learn to to the level War Thunder wants me to.
[QUOTE=Valdor;44920637]Ferdinand is fucking awful
I think they should give the tank three respawns because this thing seems to set on fire from everything, I'm pretty sure my engine randomly set on fire as I was trying to climb a small hill
[editline]26th May 2014[/editline]
It's going to take a few thousand matches before I can even get enough xp to get the fire extinguisher[/QUOTE]
Historically accurate.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
Fredi is inherently going to be a pain in ass to balance. It can't really be any lower as it will be impossible to kill if played properly, yet it's honestly not good as a vehicle. Just don't play it I suppose.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
Let's try to remember that Ferdinand only existed because Porsche fucked up and built a ton of unwanted shitty P tiger hulls and it turned out nobody wanted the P tiger. Thankfully he managed to convince Hitler that they need a heavy lumbering unreliable pile of junk of a TD because the idea gave Hitler a boner.
[QUOTE=lolburst;44921028]I killed a Ferdinand by shooting it in its right track with IS-2 yesterday. From the front..
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You probably hit the "cheek" just above the track.
[IMG]http://sinus.cz/~milan/ferdifront.png[/IMG]
(yes, that's WoT model, sue me, the models are almost identical between the games, even tho the WT ones are more detailed, but in important things like this it doesn't matter).
It's only 80mm thick and at like 45 degree angle so neither 100mm nor 122mm have any issue penetrating it and normalizing straight into the driver/machinegunner engine/fuel. Probably the easiest way of killing a ferdinand frontally as long as you have a decently normalizing APC round.
Seriously, Ferdinand wasn't a good design by any metric aside of "Big GUN" and armor that was kind of functional at LONG RANGES.
JagdPanther made it completely obsolete. Somebody on the official forums kept going on about how Ferdinand should be before JagdPanther, and at first I was laughing that off, but the more I think about it, the more I am inclined to agree. If JagdPanther had respawns, it would without a doubt be just flat better than Ferdinand.
I figure Ferdinand will eventually drop to be the same rank as JagdPanther, like ISU-122 is same rank as SU-100, but I am not sure if that would be enough to warrant Ferdinand's salvation (It ironically doesn't help in case of ISU-122 either, lol).
[QUOTE=lolburst;44921206]I've always thought the Ferdi LFP is a little bit sketchy in WoT, though. Isn't it 200mm IRL?[/QUOTE]
It's 100mm plate from the original Porsche Tiger + additional 100mm plate when these were converted into Ferdinands, so 200mm total.
anyone else had ricochets but still took damage? and i've had shells fly over me and still took a hit
fucking dysync
[QUOTE=lolburst;44921434]Nah, those additional 100mm plates are on the UFP:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Edhtseh.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Duh depends what you call lower front plate. Both "upper" and "middle" front plates have this addtional armor then.
[QUOTE=lolburst;44921434]Oh, and I just noticed the MG, so this is an Elefant. Well, that erases my suspicions of the Elefant having that 200mm LFP instead.[/QUOTE]
The only major differences between Ferdinand and Elefant were the hull MG and commanders cupola...
500 point 2x, it's like I'm really playing World of Tanks.
Why are medium tanks better tank destroyers than tank destroyers of the same battle rating.
Okay I got to try the first non-shitty (BR-412B) shell on SU-100 and I agree that purely in relation of Jagd Panther, giving Panther only one spawn and giving SU-100 whole two is not fair.
If only they went back to the point based respawn system so respawn could be balanced more finely than ONE OR TWO.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;44921623]500 point 2x, it's like I'm really playing World of Tanks.
Why are medium tanks better tank destroyers than tank destroyers of the same battle rating.[/QUOTE]
Only case when it's true is PzIV F2 vs StuG F and that's partially because PzIV F2 is the best German vehicle of that rank and of the era and nothing really compares.
[editline]27th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=lolburst;44921434]Nah, those additional 100mm plates are on the UFP:
Oh, and I just noticed the MG, so this is an Elefant. Well, that erases my suspicions of the Elefant having that 200mm LFP instead.[/QUOTE]
The Ferdinands were literally modified version of the already built P Tiger hull so they had identical hull armor except for the bits with visibly bolted on extra, and as you said, these were on UFP.
I am not aware of any Ferdinand or Elephant modification ever having anything else but 100mm on LFP (it would also be against the German doctrine of the time, not even King Tiger or JagdTiger had more, not even E-75 was going to have more.
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