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I've died a little on the inside....
[QUOTE=Hammer7;45167280]Heavy tanks in WT are a disaster atm.[/QUOTE]
Weren't they also in real life?
[QUOTE=joost1120;45167613]Weren't they also in real life?[/QUOTE]
They still had a good armor and a nice firepower. Something is really not right when you get oneshotted by a light tank.
[QUOTE=Hammer7;45168633]They still had a good armor and a nice firepower. Something is really not right when you get oneshotted by a light tank.[/QUOTE]
Turns out good armour and firepower doesn't win a war when the opposing side has tanks with worse armour, the same firepower but 3 times as many tanks.
Most of them are uptiered so they will have "equal performance" to the medium tanks and tank destroyers, then Gaijin forgot that those two tanks also get a respawn, and mediums get artillery.
Light tanks get fucked up by everything, medium tanks get fucked up by nearly everything and heavy tanks get fucked up by 60%.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;45168913]Most of them are uptiered so they will have "equal performance" to the medium tanks and tank destroyers, then Gaijin forgot that those two tanks also get a respawn, and mediums get artillery.[/QUOTE]
I can't stress this enough. The reason the KV-85 and IS-1 feel so awful is that you're sitting pretty with these fellow allies:
[B]T-34-85[/B]: Faster than you, same gun, two spawns, artillery.
[B]SU-85[/B]: Same gun. Way faster than you. Two spawns.
[B]SU-85M[/B]: Same gun. Faster than you. Decent front armor. Two spawns(?)
[B]SU-152[/B]: Absurd firepower, but sorta shitty armor. Turns like butter. I'd call it on-par.
And you fight these fellow tanks:
[B]Tiger H[/B]: Honestly, not too dangerous except for the sheer numbers of them.
[B]Pz IV G/H[/B]: Two spawns. Can get bounce-shots that instantly kill you. Lower glacis can still get wrecked by them. Two spawns. Artillery.
[B]Jagdpanzer IV[/B]: See above, minus artillery. Frontal armor is wonky.
[B]Jagdpanzer IV L/70[/B]: See above. Easily wrecks you. Front armor loves to absorb or deflect 85mm.
[B]Panthers[/B]: Fuck you and everything you stand for. Arguably better gun/armor. Faster. Two spawns. Artillery.
You get:
[B]
One Spawn[/B]: Because fuck you.
[B]No Artillery[/B]: Because fuck you.
[B]Average Gun Performance per Tier[/B]: Because fuck you.
[B]Absolutely no other benefits or reason to play over a medium/2-Spawn TD[/B]: Because fuck you.
IS-1 is lighter than the Panther, worse armed than the Panther, slower than the Panther, does not get artillery like the Panther, and is about equally as vulnerable to death as the Panther.
Guess which of these tanks gets a respawn?
Matilda :downs:
The Panther has to be good in War Thunder because it's complete garbage* in that other tank game.
*Disclaimer: I have not actually used the Panther in World of Tanks since it was a tier 8 medium in a tree that ended at tier 9.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45169882]The Panther has to be good in War Thunder because it's complete garbage* in that other tank game.
*Disclaimer: I have not actually used the Panther in World of Tanks since it was a tier 8 medium in a tree that ended at tier 9.[/QUOTE]
I thought it was 7? It went Panther, Panther II, E-50 (and later, the X E-50M.)
I remember it only being good in that being used in absurd ways, due to it's engine power, weight for ramming, and accurate on the move L/100 gun - because that makes sense.)
I mean the L/100 was a real project. I can pop open this reference book and talk about it, but it doesn't make sense that a 7.5m gun is more accurate on the move than a stubby one; it was only WoT's shitty accuracy-via-crew simulation that allows such things. It's why I like War Thunder's accuracy system better.
I miss ramming. I feel a little chipped when I slam a medium down into a light tank or AAA truck only to have them bounce around like bumper cars.
[QUOTE=Doom14;45170342]I thought it was 7? It went Panther, Panther II, E-50 (and later, the X E-50M.)[/QUOTE]
Yep. Also a prototype Panther (3002M) exists at tier 6 nowadays.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45169521]Matilda :downs:[/QUOTE]
This is why you sleep on the couch.
[QUOTE=Orkel;45170401]Yep. Also a prototype Panther (3002M) exists at tier 6 nowadays.[/QUOTE]
I'm sad, because I have no shame in saying that I liked World of Tanks to gawk at models and what-if tanks. At the same time, I want as little of that in War Thunder as possible - at least until they totally flesh out the trees proper first.
Which is a low hope considering we're sitting on two I-185s before the Pe-8 (and a bunch of other stuff) ever even got in.
[QUOTE=Doom14;45169262]I can't stress this enough. The reason the KV-85 and IS-1 feel so awful is that you're sitting pretty with these fellow allies:
[B]T-34-85[/B]: Faster than you, same gun, two spawns, artillery.
[B]SU-85[/B]: Same gun. Way faster than you. Two spawns.
[B]SU-85M[/B]: Same gun. Faster than you. Decent front armor. Two spawns(?)
[B]SU-152[/B]: Absurd firepower, but sorta shitty armor. Turns like butter. I'd call it on-par.
And you fight these fellow tanks:
[B]Tiger H[/B]: Honestly, not too dangerous except for the sheer numbers of them.
[B]Pz IV G/H[/B]: Two spawns. Can get bounce-shots that instantly kill you. Lower glacis can still get wrecked by them. Two spawns. Artillery.
[B]Jagdpanzer IV[/B]: See above, minus artillery. Frontal armor is wonky.
[B]Jagdpanzer IV L/70[/B]: See above. Easily wrecks you. Front armor loves to absorb or deflect 85mm.
[B]Panthers[/B]: Fuck you and everything you stand for. Arguably better gun/armor. Faster. Two spawns. Artillery.
You get:
[B]
One Spawn[/B]: Because fuck you.
[B]No Artillery[/B]: Because fuck you.
[B]Average Gun Performance per Tier[/B]: Because fuck you.
[B]Absolutely no other benefits or reason to play over a medium/2-Spawn TD[/B]: Because fuck you.[/QUOTE]
Thats basically all heavy tanks right now, add to it the fact that your so slow if you kill someone they will 90% of the time respawn in a plane and come bomb you and it basically makes you not want to ever drive a heavy tank.
The first KV-1 you get is fairly solid at it's BR. A lot of the things you fight can't pen you without APCR and when they do they don't do much.
Gun gets damaged constantly but it takes an army to actually kill me while I just sit on the objective.
[QUOTE=Doom14;45170342]I thought it was 7? It went Panther, Panther II, E-50 (and later, the X E-50M.)[/QUOTE]
Back in ye olde days when medium tanks just went to tier 9, the Panther II was tier 9 and Panther tier 8 with the VK3002DB at tier 7 which created what I would like to call a "hurricane clusterfuck of bullshit" known as the german medium grind.
Just got my last zero
Shiden Kai here I come~
[QUOTE=SiberysTranq;45170795]Just got my last zero
Shiden Kai here I come~[/QUOTE]
They changed it and now it's terrible stock but then you get the engine and collect tears.
The Shindigs are the last big reward of the Japanese tree. The Ki-84 Hei is still kind of fun, but the G8N1 just got slapped into oblivion and the Ki-200 is a comically mixed kettle.
So i just destroyed my friends KV-2 by ramming another friends T-26 into said KV-2 with my T-34.
Im not even sure what happened he just exploded, the t-26 then proceeded to go and kill a tiger by shooting him in the mantlet which set him on fire.
best game 2014
now all the middle points are either slopped entirely to one side or the other
game of the year all years
[QUOTE=angelangel;45172844]now all the middle points are either slopped entirely to one side or the other[/QUOTE]
Trust me, it was worse last patch.
Jungle use to be "oh you spawned on the wrong side? [B]RETURN TO HANGER.[/B]"
The single-point varient was basically unwinnable outside coordinated small teams.
[QUOTE=Doom14;45172870]Trust me, it was worse last patch.
Jungle use to be "oh you spawned on the wrong side? [B]RETURN TO HANGER.[/B]"
The single-point varient was basically unwinnable outside coordinated small teams.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I've never really had any problems with jungle.
In the new version however, I was actually sniped from the enemy base before I even managed to leave mine.
Spawn, drive 30ft, horizontal turret drive destroyed! Gunner is knocked out! Engine destroyed!
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45169882]The Panther has to be good in War Thunder because it's complete garbage* in that other tank game.
*Disclaimer: I have not actually used the Panther in World of Tanks since it was a tier 8 medium in a tree that ended at tier 9.[/QUOTE]
To be fair at that point T-44 used to be the rank 9 out of 9.
Jagdpanther, Tiger II Ausf. B, or Panther Ausf. A
About to enter new tier, which one should I go for first?
[QUOTE=angelangel;45173535]Jagdpanther, Tiger II Ausf. B, or Panther Ausf. A
About to enter new tier, which one should I go for first?[/QUOTE]
JagdPanther.
Oh god they weren't joking when they said germany was full of shitty players.
a 190 did a 90 degree climb trying to shoot my high flying P-51. This did not end well for him.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;45170871]They changed it and now it's terrible stock but then you get the engine and collect tears.[/QUOTE]
That's honestly been my experience with the whole japanese tree
Suffer and struggle until you get 20mm belts and engines, then start dancing around the sky dispensing murder and J-pop
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