Metal Gear Solid - Tactical Megathread Action VII. Could Plisken actually be Snake?
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I remember people flipping out about this.[/QUOTE]
In the actual game, his eyes are blue.
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[QUOTE=Takuat;41051258]Anyone else notice that when BB is in his diamond Dogs get-up he doesn't have any scars and he's smoking a normal cigar instead of an e-cigar like in the E3 footage?
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The shrapnel also changed positions, its safe to say they just updated his model.
[editline]15th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;41051118]Wait what?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/metal_gear_solid_rising/news/kojima_wants_metal_gear_rising_2_to_star_cyborg_ninja_gray_fox.html[/url]
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;41049795]Goddamn it you guys stop shitting so much on Elowin just because he doesn't like the story. I mean what I got from MGS2 was basically how vidya trained kiddies to want to be killers (this ties in with the whole "u play as de player" and raiden growing up on VR missions), and that was from my first playthrough. I also realised how Kojima wanted to troll the player by playing again and reading up on it a bit. It's a nice experiment, but I still don't like the story even if it's ~deep~. Rose is a fucking bullshit character (this is objectively undeniable btw) and I don't understand why she had to be a part of that. Raiden may or may not be the player but he [B]is still uncontrollably whiny and kind of a hassle sometimes.[/B]
tl;dr: Elowin maybe dislikes the story for the wrong reason [B]but honestly that's ok because MGS2 story doesn't really have shit on the other MGS's.[/B] [B]The themes of MGS2 aren't truly as deep as the rest of them, in my honest opinion.[/B][/QUOTE]
I never understood this complaint. He's a rookie FOXHOUND agent on his first solo sneaking mission; he finds out that all of his blood has been taken out and replaced with artificial blood + nanomachines, his girlfriend who he hasn't exactly been having a stable relationship with has been assigned to record his data, he finds a vampire thing slaughter a bunch of fucking Navy SEALS for chrissakes, a woman who can't be shot, and everything that can possibly go wrong with the mission does I'm pretty sure he's got an excuse to whine every now and again.
Not only that, it reinforces the idea that he is his own character ala the dogtag scene at the end.
Did you seriously just say MGS2 doesn't have shit on MGS4? The game that for all intents and purposes rapes the canon and most of its characters?
I dunno man Mimetic Destiny is a pretty deep thing considering every human being in the world is subject to it.
[editline]15th June 2013[/editline]
Don't get me wrong, I understand and respect your position.
[QUOTE=Takuat;41050946]Some guy has a theory about Punished Snake being Gray Fox. Some bits seem quite a stretch but there are quite solid parts in it. The biggest hole in the theory being the robotic arm.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb1WhDdto08[/media]
Also remember when Kojima said he wanted to make Rising 2 to be about Gray Fox about fighting undead ninjas? Well...
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Some of the stuff in this analysis is beyond fucking retarded.
"The Trojan Horse is in."
"Win32.DeepThroat is a trojan horse virus so Gray Fox confirmed"
Brilliant analysis.
I get what he's saying with the mask though. It's completely possible since advanced mask tech did exist two decades prior in the snake eater mission.
Probably nothing to that theory, but Ishmael still makes me question things.
Also the snake reveal that will most undoubtedly be shown in the beginning, the one from the ground zeroes opening. I think it hasnt been released in english yet because that moment where snake says his first line is supposed to be a big cheesy kojima reveal.
[QUOTE=St. Burke;41052289]Probably nothing to that theory, but Ishmael still makes me question things.
Also the snake reveal that will most undoubtedly be shown in the beginning, the one from the ground zeroes opening. I think it hasnt been released in english yet because that moment where snake says his first line is supposed to be a big cheesy kojima reveal.[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind, "Kept you waiting, huh?" wasn't his first lines in the GZ trailer. He and Kaz were talking about Cipher, Chico, and Paz throughout the trailer 'til then.
The english version will mute the entire conversation between snake and kaz, obviously.
Damn, that theory about Gray Fox being the main character in the new MGS game would be quite a twist if its true. Only time will tell I guess.
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Consider the following:
These are your S rank soldiers who fell in battle at Mother Base
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;41051763]I dunno man Mimetic Destiny is a pretty deep thing considering every human being in the world is subject to it.[/QUOTE]
well pissing must be even deeper then considering every animal in the world is subject to it
[QUOTE=HoliestCow;41052852]Damn, that theory about Gray Fox being the main character in the new MGS game would be quite a twist if its true. Only time will tell I guess.[/QUOTE]
It's too stupid for Kojima. Given everything else occurring in the game I don't see the point in it. There's literally no benefit of him masquerading as Boss and there's bigger shit going on overall.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;41050132]Even though MGS2's story was essentially MGS1's story? With this whole meta thing going on, of course, but still.[/QUOTE]
but the thing is
it's simply not
unless by "essentially" you mean "not really at all except there are some evil super soldier dudes who serve as bosses and also big robots" which applies to every single MGS game ever, including the original Metal Gears
[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]
i hate you spekter
[QUOTE=elowin;41054299]but the thing is
it's simply not
unless by "essentially" you mean "not really at all except there are some evil super soldier dudes who serve as bosses and also big robots" which applies to every single MGS game ever, including the original Metal Gears
[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]
i hate you spekter[/QUOTE]
did you even pay attention to the game?
[QUOTE=elowin;41054299]but the thing is
it's simply not
unless by "essentially" you mean "not really at all except there are some evil super soldier dudes who serve as bosses and also big robots" which applies to every single MGS game ever, including the original Metal Gears
[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]
i hate you spekter[/QUOTE]
Oh, but it really is. I think I have posted this before, but here's an analysis on MGS2 :
[URL="http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm"]http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm[/URL]
This stuff goes pretty deep.
You're completely entitled on your own opinions, but from everything you've been saying so far, it just seems to me you're missing half of the story.
And by the way, comparing mimetic destiny to pissing is pretty stupid IMHO.
i acknowledge my own bias as mgs2 is my personal favorite. all criticism of raiden is completely silly, his dialogue is not that bad (sans "we've managed to avoid drowning") and his dialogue basically sounds like anything snake would say, except with a different voice actor. additionally, the story is rad and the gameplay is perfect stealth. everyone who tries to use combat in mgs2/1 is playing the game incorrectly minus the parts that force you into it (imo). this is why playing mgs3 before mgs1/2 is dumb because mgs3 really tells you to go up to EVERYONE and CQC them, esp considering how much more viable it is than many of the stealth options.
mgs2 is a better stealth game than mgs3. mgs3 is a better stealth-action game than mgs2. whichever you prefer depends on your preferences for gameplay style.
storywise, mgs2 is far more interesting than mgs3 in a cerebral way, with a ton of mystery and espionage elements that it shares in common with mgs1. mgs3 focuses much more on a thoroughly comprehensible story with significantly fewer espionage elements and more of an emotional connection to characters and the feelings associated.
i like really bizarre games and stories - one of the reasons why killer7 is one of my favorite games of all time. this naturally predisposes me to liking the insanely confusing and stimulating story of mgs2
if you don't like to think about that stuff and just want an action adventure story romp, then mgs3 is better
[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]
also rose as a character is great. mgs2 as a whole feels very unreal (yknow, in line with the whole thing being a simulation on multiple levels) and she just adds to that - so often saying "don't you remember what tomorrow is?" every damn time with raiden refusing to answer / remember, led to this sensation of strange deja vu that simply ADDED onto the big reveal of mgs2 being mgs1. all of the elements of the game focused on the deja vu, and the constant repetition made everything feel very mysterious.
sure she was sort of annoying, but she served as a character that revealed more about raiden's backstory and brought out what / who he was, showed the side of him that wasn't just a soldier. i find raiden to be a much more interesting character than snake because snake is only genetically engineered to be a soldier, his life is pointless without being one. raiden had his life ruined because he was pushed into being one.
[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]
SO MANY WORDS I AM SORRY I TRULY AM A FAN OF MGS
[QUOTE=BananaMed;41054144]Consider the following:
These are your S rank soldiers who fell in battle at Mother Base[/QUOTE]
you stay the fuck away from Blue Mackarel and Alligator
right wotever
There were only four things i liked about MGS2
One, they foreshadowed The Colonel being an AI really well.
Two, a few of the boss fights were really fun
Three, a lot of the stuff in it was so stupid it was hilarious
And four, The Colonel in the first few areas of Arsenal Gear
Everything else was shit IMO
Seems a bit unfair to be calling the game shit without reading the analysis site. It is a rather smart game with some good writing save for the sometimes rather foolish dialogue. I think every MGS game has its faults but MGS2 really isn't that badly written at all, you can't expect people to take your opinion seriously if you aren't willing to understand the game in full.
Also nobody cares about your personal disposition towards me. This is a place for discussion and intelligent debate not dumb personal attacks and trolling.
[QUOTE=elowin;41054285]well pissing must be even deeper then considering every animal in the world is subject to it[/QUOTE]
What was the point of this post? That's a really bad comparison that ultimately says nothing of substance except tells to the kind of person you are; you may as well have just said "I really don't give a shit" since you evidently don't.
That Gray Fox analysis trailer is.... well, it sort of makes sense at most parts, some are dumb as fuck, but, knowing Kojima, it may be just the case
ohfuck the mindfucks coming from this game will be astonishing :v:
[QUOTE=spekter;41054717]Seems a bit unfair to be calling the game shit without reading the analysis site. It is a rather smart game with some good writing save for the sometimes rather foolish dialogue. I think every MGS game has its faults but MGS2 really isn't that badly written at all, you can't expect people to take your opinion seriously if you aren't willing to understand the game in full.
Also nobody cares about your personal disposition towards me. This is a place for discussion and intelligent debate not dumb personal attacks and trolling.[/QUOTE]
you misunderstood
i said that because you broke my automerge
i don't really hate you you're pretty good
also lol intelligent debate
if you have to read an analysis site to understand a plot, that plot is not conveyed very well.
[QUOTE=elowin;41055011]you misunderstood
i said that because you broke my automerge
i don't really hate you you're pretty good
also lol intelligent debate
if you have to read an analysis site to understand a plot, that plot is not conveyed very well.[/QUOTE]
Nice save.
It's more to do with the fact they purposely tried to not let the player see the truth so easily, rather than it wasn't conveyed properly. It's all there crystal clear you just need to look at it a certain way and everything falls in place.
[QUOTE=spekter;41055054]Nice save.
It's more to do with the fact they purposely tried to not let the player see the truth so easily, rather than it wasn't conveyed properly. It's all there crystal clear you just need to look at it a certain way and everything falls in place.[/QUOTE]
that certain way just so happens to include completely ignoring logic :v:
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also lol intelligent debate
if you have to read an analysis site to understand a plot, that plot is not conveyed very well.[/QUOTE]
If you're not going to try and discuss then just say so instead of wasting your time.
[QUOTE=elowin;41055098]that certain way just so happens to include completely ignoring logic :v:[/QUOTE]
So far you haven't actually said why that is. Rather just you think it's stupid and badly written.
[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;41055318]If you're not going to try and discuss then just say so instead of wasting your time.[/QUOTE]
Somehow I sense the best is yet to come.
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;41055318]If you're not going to try and discuss then just say so instead of wasting your time.[/QUOTE]
i thought i made it clear ages ago that i don't really consider arguing with fanboys a possibility
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