And again stupid trollers, ruin your perfect bank robbery
[QUOTE=Zakuvo99;47339081]And again stupid trollers, ruin your perfect bank robbery[/QUOTE]
17/3/2015, who robs banks in payday 2 anymore?
What is up with the fact that Blue Swats are way more dangerous than the ones with the armour?
[editline]17th March 2015[/editline]
Every time I get downed it is blue swat instead of bulldozer or anything.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;47339414]What is up with the fact that Blue Swats are way more dangerous than the ones with the armour?[/QUOTE]
They have faster-firing weapons (MP5s) and, because of Overkill balancing, deal 40~ damage per hit.
AKA they can fire off 7 shots in less than a second, which results in your armor getting shredded into oblivion and ultimately picks off 75% of your health in that one second. Even dodge won't save you as they fire so goddamn fast, it's bullshit.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;47339414]What is up with the fact that Blue Swats are way more dangerous than the ones with the armour?
[editline]17th March 2015[/editline]
Every time I get downed it is blue swat instead of bulldozer or anything.[/QUOTE]
I also noticed they can actually fire at you while they're climbing ladders (presumably also while rappelling), which is quite bullshit. Overkill plz fix
[QUOTE=Derp123213;47339433]They have faster-firing weapons (MP5s) and, because of Overkill balancing, deal 40~ damage per hit.
AKA they can fire off 7 shots in less than a second, which results in your armor getting shredded into oblivion and ultimately picks off 75% of your health in that one second. Even dodge won't save you as they fire so goddamn fast, it's bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Wow, no wonder Normal feels harder than Overkill sometimes, those fuckers must be absolutely destroying my armour when they're the primary enemy in an assault.
[QUOTE=jellofacey;47339340]17/3/2015, who robs banks in payday 2 anymore?[/QUOTE]
I do. It's literally the only thing I've been doing.
24/7 DW Stealth Bank Heist. Still not bored of it for some reason.
wasn't there a small frame of invulnerability when taking damage to stop us getting melted by swarms of blue cops, but they fucked it a while ago and never fixed it?
[QUOTE=TonicBH;47339464]I also noticed they can actually fire at you while they're climbing ladders (presumably also while rappelling), which is quite bullshit. Overkill plz fix[/QUOTE]
I tend to think that "movement" AI and "shooting" AI are separate entities in game, and they suffer netcode in a weird way.
[B] Example A:[/B]
Enemy has laid path to Dallas to kill him, movement AI moves cop towards him. Suddenly Hoxton appears on path but AI didn't catch up because of lag, so for movement AI path is clear and enemy goes through Hox. However, shooting AI sees Hoxton in range and opens fire... from within him.
[B] Example B:[/B]
Tazer is climbing the window. At host's side tazer already climbed into the window, but at client he did not yet due to lag\packet loss. However, host's movement AI send command "ready to fire" to shooting AI, and therefore Tazer starts tazing someone even before finishing climbing into the
Otherwise I have no fucking idea why this shit happens.
[QUOTE=Hellsing4682;47339582]I do. It's literally the only thing I've been doing.
24/7 DW Stealth Bank Heist. Still not bored of it for some reason.[/QUOTE]
So you got people still doing it that's good enough
Also enemies melee dmg needs to be look at, I mean getting shot with shotgun at face is less lethal than getting punched at.
i uninstalled Windows Update kb3000850 because of raptr recording black screen, now it hangs shortly after i started a heist
it was never like this before
Kinda a personal issue, but I seriously hate it when a cop suddenly crouches or standing up as the animation of them doing so is really unsmooth and so sudden, which causes me to miss a headshot against a tan because he decides to stand up at the last second.
I think I should git gud, but it's one of the top things that annoy me the most about this game, next to unmaneuverable shields and MLG pro airshooting snipers.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;47339644]Also enemies melee dmg needs to be look at, I mean getting shot with shotgun at face is less lethal than getting punched at.[/QUOTE]
Its a bit odd but I think makes total sense on the level of game logic.
Melee typically is more powerful per hit than a gun, or at least very damaging, because the risks involved with getting into melee range make it very dangerous and fairly rare to do.
On a level of realism it makes no sense (though I argue a knife will kill you just as easily) but on a level of game balance it makes a lot of sense.
I still would prefer if they did a bit less damage though and knocked you back a bit instead, because they immediately start firing after melee. But you honestly have to be standing next to them to get hit by it.
Dunno if this has been mentioned but Bonnie has serious mask clipping with her hair
[QUOTE=Combine 177;47339644]Also enemies melee dmg needs to be look at, I mean getting shot with shotgun at face is less lethal than getting punched at.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but then what use would we have for the ever-so-useful Martial Arts and Counter Strike skills?
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;47339756]I'd like it if a cop's punch didn't send me flying into the next day of the heist[/QUOTE]
I got punched on the stairs on the train in the train heist, I flew so far I fell off the bridge and died.
[QUOTE=Shotz;47339824]I got punched on the stairs on the train in the train heist, I flew so far I fell off the bridge and died.[/QUOTE]
Every time I get punched into a mob and pummeled into custody, I make sure to retaliate by equipping the dynamic hammer the next day.
I now main the dynamic hammer.
Okay I hate to be just requesting shit again but... I'm sure someone had a lua script lying around here where they changed the weapons the bots were using? I went digging and I couldn't find it.
Need to get Tabula Rasa done for a friend before this SWAT van hits and possibly makes it unwinnable.
[QUOTE=Burnyhands;47339877]Okay I hate to be just requesting shit again but... I'm sure someone had a lua script lying around here where they changed the weapons the bots were using? I went digging and I couldn't find it.
Need to get Tabula Rasa done for a friend before this SWAT van hits and possibly makes it unwinnable.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly certain the SWAT van turret only spawns on Bank Heist, Diamond Store, and Four Stores. I could be wrong, but that's all I saw animations for.
[QUOTE=Derp123213;47339433]They have faster-firing weapons (MP5s) and, because of Overkill balancing, deal 40~ damage per hit.
AKA they can fire off 7 shots in less than a second, which results in your armor getting shredded into oblivion and ultimately picks off 75% of your health in that one second. Even dodge won't save you as they fire so goddamn fast, it's bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the other asshole units Overkill is responsible for. The two HRT units, one does similar damage to the blue SWAT, and the other one does nearly the same amount of damage as a fucking saiga bulldozer. The funny thing is these shit changes were introduced around Goldfarb era.
There was a time when the cops wielding pistols that first make it to the scene on a heist like jewelry store were tearing up the best armor with ease, more than they do now. It was so ridiculous, they changed it like a week or so later, but you also had some jerk players claiming it was fine, probably the same sillies who boast about how easy Death Wish is. Unfortunately, they also forgot the other enemies with bullshit damage, and we've been stuck with them since. I'm pretty sure police melee was actually reasonable at one point, but then when the first Gage weapon pack was released, the developers at Overkill used that as an excuse to give police knives, and buffed their damage through the fucking roof.
They don't even have to hit you with a knife, they can just fucking punch you, and 90 armor gone, right there. I mean fuck, the skill that reduces melee damage hardly does jack in reducing melee damage. How do you fuck up balance that bad, and leave it that way for so long?
[QUOTE=Lolnoob1;47339905]I'm fairly certain the SWAT van turret only spawns on Bank Heist, Diamond Store, and Four Stores. I could be wrong, but that's all I saw animations for.[/QUOTE]
I hope there is more because that is not only a very small amount of heists, but very easy ones (so they pretty buff up pay or something)
Swat Turret is randomly placed on any of the swat vans in hoxton breakout day 1, it can be the ones in the middle of the street or the ones out of bounds and each big bend.
[QUOTE=Notanything;47339952]Don't forget the other asshole units Overkill is responsible for. The two HRT units, one does similar damage to the blue SWAT, and the other one does nearly the same amount of damage as a fucking saiga bulldozer. The funny thing is these shit changes were introduced around Goldfarb era.
There was a time when the cops wielding pistols that first make it to the scene on a heist like jewelry store were tearing up the best armor with ease, more than they do now. It was so ridiculous, they changed it like a week or so later, but you also had some jerk players claiming it was fine, probably the same sillies who boast about how easy Death Wish is. Unfortunately, they also forgot the other enemies with bullshit damage, and we've been stuck with them since. I'm pretty sure police melee was actually reasonable at one point, but then when the first Gage weapon pack was released, the developers are Overkill used that as an excuse to give police knives, and buffed their damage through the fucking roof.
They don't even have to hit you with a knife, they can just fucking punch you, and 90 armor gone, right there. I mean fuck, the skill that reduces melee damage hardly does jack in reducing melee damage. How do you fuck up balance that bad, and leave it that way for so long?[/QUOTE]
Is it possible Overkill's not aware of this? I know it sounds ridiculous but maybe letting them know about this unbalance may make them rebalance it a little.
Isn't it also a result of the removal of the short grace period (of like 0.5s) of invulnerability when you take damage? I remember damage being mostly fine before that.
Glad it's not just me, who took a long break, to come back and find that my Enforcer-tier armor with many armor buffs is literally evaporating if I even look at some guards (notably the FBI bronco-wielding ones on Hox Breakout.)
The balance feels like this weird inverse where the lightest armored units (sans a few cops) are the most dangerous, and the super heavy elite response teams (non-Deathwish) aren't nearly as dangerous.
Not sure if it's just confirmation bias or anger, but just last night as host, Tasers were zapping me the absolute nanofuck I came into their LoS, even without that notable little "bzweeeeeeeeeep" wind up before they usually start tazing. Also, snipers can go fuck themselves. I sure love all my armor and a chunk of health (OVK; with above enforcer-armor, w/ buffs, w/ muscleman 90%+ health) disappearing because the dice said fuck you when I came into one's LoS. When some maps spam 3+ of them (Hotline Miami) it can be instant death of you roll triple snake eyes.
[QUOTE=krail9;47339594]wasn't there a small frame of invulnerability when taking damage to stop us getting melted by swarms of blue cops, but they fucked it a while ago and never fixed it?[/QUOTE]
No, it's still there. 0.45 seconds on Overkill, 0.35 on Deathwish.
Occasionally it seems like you can get hit more than once at the same time though. (see: snipers)
[QUOTE=wat_am_i_doin;47340262]No, it's still there. 0.45 seconds on Overkill, 0.35 on Deathwish.
Occasionally it seems like you can get hit more than once at the same time though. (see: snipers)[/QUOTE]
iirc some stuff happens
for example if you take 15 damage. that means you cannot take any shots which are 15 damage or less but you can still get hit by things which cause more damage eg a sniper at 100 damage
I tried naming some of my masks.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/iHZZrML.jpg[/t]
Did I do any good or are they all trash?
[QUOTE=Spydurr117;47340610]I tried naming some of my masks.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/iHZZrML.jpg[/t]
Did I do any good or are they all trash?[/QUOTE]
I glanced over the thumbnail and misread Animal Within as "Anal Within"
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