[QUOTE=Dalndox;47538603]Then we'll have to agree to disagree, I suppose. I find 5e to be a great improvement and a lot of fun to both play and DM.[/QUOTE]
i'm a grumpy old man who hates change
[QUOTE=elowin;47538618]i'm a grumpy old man who hates change[/QUOTE]
If nothing else I've had significantly more success getting my friends to play D&D for the first time through 5e. It's a lot more approachable for someone who's never played before.
[QUOTE=elowin;47538598]i dont think so[/QUOTE]
elly why you gotta be so negative man
seriously, why
The only thing Elo isn't negative about is overpowered wizards.
The only thing Elo likes is the sight of inferior mundanes getting utterly crushed by the immortal wizard masterrace.
With a new player group who all didn't play D&D before, which versions should we take?
We have some that want 4e and some that want 5e.
[QUOTE=YogiTheWise;47538452]Speaking of luck factor: yesterday during a D&D 5 session I wanted to knock out a dude for later questioning.
I rolled a 20 and knocked his head clean off.
My character stared in front of him with empty eyes while "The Sound Of Silence" played in the background.[/QUOTE]
I see I'm not the only one who suffers from this. I mean, I'd understand if you didn't mention your intent to question the guy later before you punched him, but I've had GMs that would do this to me after I explained what my intentions were. Not sure if it was his blood-thirstiness or out of spite, but in either case stuff like that feel like ass-pulls on their part.
[QUOTE=darkgodmaste;47538771]With a new player group who all didn't play D&D before, which versions should we take?
We have some that want 4e and some that want 5e.[/QUOTE]
4e has pixies in Heroes of the Fey Wilds.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;47538626]If nothing else I've had significantly more success getting my friends to play D&D for the first time through 5e. It's a lot more approachable for someone who's never played before.[/QUOTE]
well i cant argue with that, it is simpler
but so was 4e
doesn't make it good
[QUOTE=M.Ciaster;47538662]elly why you gotta be so negative man
seriously, why[/QUOTE]
i dont like the same things you do.
Looks like Big Muthertruckin' Crab Fuckers won't be on friday due to time zone fuckery, and I don't know if to delay it by 2 weeks or to saturday. If alsojames and whoopsalot are available and the other 2 can also play on saturday, I guess I'll do it then. Otherwise, Looks like we won't be able to play soon.
[editline]qewqw[/editline]
Looks like we have enough players for saturday, I'll post the final times when I arrange everyone
[QUOTE=elowin;47538889]well i cant argue with that, it is simpler
but so was 4e
doesn't make it good
i dont like the same things you do.[/QUOTE]
well yeah but you kinda come across as a bit of a grognard honestly with your choice of wording and arguments
just relax man we're all friendly nerds here
[QUOTE=cdr248;47536735]switch from weight based inventory to volume
[editline]15th April 2015[/editline]
that will forever fuck your players over into only carrying what they absolutely need[/QUOTE]
Brilliant. That'll make this enchanted item I made even [I]more[/I] useless! I like it.
"Grandfather Clock of Charisma - This abnormally large grandfather clock provides a +2 to the Social of anyone currently carrying it."
[QUOTE=Smas;47538773]I see I'm not the only one who suffers from this. I mean, I'd understand if you didn't mention your intent to question the guy later before you punched him, but I've had GMs that would do this to me after I explained what my intentions were. Not sure if it was his blood-thirstiness or out of spite, but in either case stuff like that feel like ass-pulls on their part.[/QUOTE]
(FYI guys he isn't talking about me I'm a good GM)
[QUOTE=Smas;47538773]I see I'm not the only one who suffers from this. I mean, I'd understand if you didn't mention your intent to question the guy later before you punched him, but I've had GMs that would do this to me after I explained what my intentions were. Not sure if it was his blood-thirstiness or out of spite, but in either case stuff like that feel like ass-pulls on their part.[/QUOTE]
that son of a bitch Ryan did that to me in the first Fallout game
I was just going to shoot out an escaping storekeeper (whose store we kinda blew up a little bit)'s tire out to make him stop and explain the whole thing but then I done critted and he went up in a hollywood style fireball. Then poor ol' Red the Ghoul had a crisis of conscience
and a few sessions later we kinda nuked Chicago so eh, it balanced out anyway
[QUOTE=M.Ciaster;47539000]well yeah but you kinda come across as a bit of a grognard honestly with your choice of wording and arguments
just relax man we're all friendly nerds here[/QUOTE]
i think you underestimate my relaxation
i am the king of procrastination
[QUOTE=elowin;47538889]well i cant argue with that, it is simpler
but so was 4e
doesn't make it good
i dont like the same things you do.[/QUOTE]
5e feels like 3e without all of the unneeded math. It's 3.5e streamlined and improved, as far as I see it.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;47539301]5e feels like 3e without all of the unneeded math. It's 3.5e streamlined and improved, as far as I see it.[/QUOTE]
No, it's really not. It's closer than 4th was, but it has a distinctly different feel than 3.X, and I honestly don't care for it that much.
[QUOTE=Smas;47538773]I see I'm not the only one who suffers from this. I mean, I'd understand if you didn't mention your intent to question the guy later before you punched him, but I've had GMs that would do this to me after I explained what my intentions were. Not sure if it was his blood-thirstiness or out of spite, but in either case stuff like that feel like ass-pulls on their part.[/QUOTE]
I hate that shit, especially since it seems like I roll badly enough anyway. No need to add negative aspects to a critical, which is supposed to be a good thing. I'm not even a fan of critical fumbles on a 1/20 either, though.
[QUOTE=Alsojames;47537039]stuff[/QUOTE]
Used to play WoD like this all the time. If the new system is anything like the old system, then whoever plays a werewolf will be the killingest killer of all time, far beyond the dreams of mere vampires and whatevers. Also, convincing murder monsters that mere Hunters are a threat they have to put aside their ancient blood hatred to face may take some smooth talking on the Demon's part, too.
Of course, when we did it, I let people make PC Hunters too. It's amazing the strange allies a true cosmic horror can bring together.
[editline]16th April 2015[/editline]
Also, in my continuing odyssey into Shadowrun, I checked my local game shop and found a copy of the first edition Seattle Sourcebook that's apparently been on their shelves and moved around with them since the beginning of time. $5 for a 25 year old book. Not bad.
Ok so about the pathfinder guy that I thought was a ranger/wizard. He's actually a fighter/inquisitor, so his AC actually checks out.
[QUOTE=Alsojames;47537039]So I'm planning a multi-class (as in, all races/monsters/whatever are available) World of Darkness campaign. Let me know what you think:
The characters are recently transformed whatevers and they all join together after they're almost caught in a massive monster hunt. They are brought under the tutelage of an NPC, a Demon, who acts as a mentor and basically tells them that these monster hunters are psychopaths that need to be eliminated. This is the overarching plotline, but I want to have each character type have a side story so every player regardless of race feels important (for example, I want any Changelings to come across their Fetches)
It'll be Mass Effect-like, where the players have to go out and deal with separate factions and try to put aside their differences and band together to fight the Hunters. However, if we get far enough, I want there to be a twist where it turns out the Demon mentor has been playing the group the whole time in his attempts to amass an army capable of defending himself from Angels sent by the God Machine.
Any thoughts? I wrote this at 12:40 in the morning, so it may sound a little jumbled at the moment.
[editline]16th April 2015[/editline]
The Demon himself used to be a Defender angel, but he currently has a very twisted and warped sense of defence, one that involves slaying any and all threats.
To this extent, his past as a Defender makes him want to protect other freaks of nature (especially demons), but the only way he reasons those he protects will be safe is to wipe out any perceived threats, which includes monster hunters and the God Machine.[/QUOTE]
Well personally I hate the whole god machine thing, and the overall plot sounds kind of not super great. But mixed WoD games are hilarious.
[editline]17th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=slayer20;47542699]Ok so about the pathfinder guy that I thought was a ranger/wizard. He's actually a fighter/inquisitor, so his AC actually checks out.[/QUOTE]
28 AC is still pretty ridiculous for someone at his level
do inquisitors have like a magical +5 AC ability that I don't know about or something
[QUOTE=slayer20;47542699]Ok so about the pathfinder guy that I thought was a ranger/wizard. He's actually a fighter/inquisitor, so his AC actually checks out.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Definitely does not check out. He's bullshitting you.
And if he's not, please show me step by step how he isn't, because I want to know his secrets of Min/maxing.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;47543792]Nope. Definitely does not check out. He's bullshitting you.
And if he's not, please show me step by step how he isn't, because I want to know his secrets of Min/maxing.[/QUOTE]
10 + Masterwork Full Plate (+10) + Masterwork Shield (+3, he didn't say what kind) + Dex mod (+3) + Brace of Armor (+3) + Dodge feat (+1)
He corrected himself and said he actually has 30. I pointed out the max dex bonus for his armor type, but it comes out to 28 AC still.
Edit: Actually, reading into it, it seems Masterwork armor only decreases the armor check penalty by 1. But still, he has a lot of armor.
Braces of armor don't stack with actual armor, masterwork fullplate only gives 8, the shield is probably bullshit too because of the rest, and you can only use 1 dex in a fullplate.
[editline]sd[/editline]
And dodge works on 1 target
So actually he has 10+8+3+1+sometimes 1 = 22/23
[QUOTE=slayer20;47543887]10 + Masterwork Full Plate (+10) + Masterwork Shield (+3, he didn't say what kind) + Dex mod (+3) + Brace of Armor (+3) + Dodge feat (+1)
He corrected himself and said he actually has 30. I pointed out the max dex bonus for his armor type, but it comes out to 28 AC still.
Edit: Actually, reading into it, it seems Masterwork armor only decreases the armor check penalty by 1. But still, he has a lot of armor.[/QUOTE]
He's got a ton of stuff that doesn't add up, fullplate is only +8 and limits your dodge bonus, there isn't a shield that gives +3, heavy shields are +2 and tower shields (that need a feat) are +4, braces of armour don't stack with actual armour, and how do you mistake a inquisitor for a wizard/ranger anyway?
[QUOTE=Rents;47544306]He's got a ton of stuff that doesn't add up, fullplate is only +8 and limits your dodge bonus, there isn't a shield that gives +3, heavy shields are +2 and tower shields (that need a feat) are +4, braces of armour don't stack with actual armour, and how do you mistake a inquisitor for a wizard/ranger anyway?[/QUOTE]
Fullplate is +9, actually. He must have thought that masterwork armor adds +1 AC I suppose.
With that much armour they are practically [B]begging[/B] for a wizard to show up and wreck their shit with touch attacks.
[QUOTE=elowin;47544590]Fullplate is +9, actually. He must have thought that masterwork armor adds +1 AC I suppose.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/armor.htm]This[/url] says it's 8
[QUOTE=Rents;47544306]He's got a ton of stuff that doesn't add up, fullplate is only +8 and limits your dodge bonus, there isn't a shield that gives +3, heavy shields are +2 and tower shields (that need a feat) are +4, braces of armour don't stack with actual armour, and how do you mistake a inquisitor for a wizard/ranger anyway?[/QUOTE]
I thought he was a ranger because he uses a bow all the time. And he wants to become an Arcane Archer so I thought he was multiclassing as a wizard or sorcerer.
[editline]17th April 2015[/editline]
Also, core rule book says Full Plate is +9.
[QUOTE=slayer20;47543887]10 + Masterwork Full Plate (+10) + Masterwork Shield (+3, he didn't say what kind) + Dex mod (+3) + Brace of Armor (+3) + Dodge feat (+1)
He corrected himself and said he actually has 30. I pointed out the max dex bonus for his armor type, but it comes out to 28 AC still.
Edit: Actually, reading into it, it seems Masterwork armor only decreases the armor check penalty by 1. But still, he has a lot of armor.[/QUOTE]
What level Fighter is he?
[QUOTE=slayer20;47543887]10 + Masterwork Full Plate (+10) + Masterwork Shield (+3, he didn't say what kind) + Dex mod (+3) + Brace of Armor (+3) + Dodge feat (+1)
He corrected himself and said he actually has 30. I pointed out the max dex bonus for his armor type, but it comes out to 28 AC still.
Edit: Actually, reading into it, it seems Masterwork armor only decreases the armor check penalty by 1. But still, he has a lot of armor.[/QUOTE]
Full plate = 9, heavy shield = 2, Dex = 1, dodge = 1
23 AC.
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