[QUOTE=Chickens!;40726338]Mid Lion is the best thing.
Start with lots of hp regen and a silverring, rush Tranquils, roam from then on.
Tranquils -> Drum -> Dagon -> Shadowblade -> Don't need a 5th item here cause it's always over beforehand
QEQEQRQEEWWWW Hex is for scrublords[/QUOTE]
PFFF
bottle > phase > dagon > scepter.
Give them a zapping they wont soon forget.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40728369]PFFF
bottle > phase > dagon > scepter.
Give them a zapping they wont soon forget.[/QUOTE]
why aghanims instead of a blink or forcestaff
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40728369]PFFF
bottle > phase > dagon > scepter.
Give them a zapping they wont soon forget.[/QUOTE]
Scepter on Lion. Let's pay 4200 gold for 25 less mana cost!
or at least get eblade if you want an aghanims
welp there goes the automerge
[QUOTE=ThatSprite;40722656]I seriously can't watch those videos anymore, the music has just gotten so repetitive after 59 episodes.[/QUOTE]
Then if they even dare use a different song for one episode, "omg god shit music"
[QUOTE=Shibbey;40728506]Scepter on Lion. Let's pay 4200 gold for 25 less mana cost![/QUOTE]
Scepter on tinker, reducing the channel time to 0 seconds. Team perma-hex.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40727229]wow treant/razor really works[/QUOTE]
swoon and I created that.
[QUOTE=Maruhai;40729294]swoon and I created that.[/QUOTE]
judging by their lineup razor isn't mid so it's not exactly your draft
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40729331]judging by their lineup razor isn't mid so it's not exactly your draft[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
[QUOTE=Maruhai;40729400]Fair enough.[/QUOTE]
thirdpick slardar is still better
[QUOTE=maxumym;40725326]That's nothing, yesterday LGD won with a S&Y Lifestealer and a Shadow blade DK.
But holy shit, that juggernaut escape at 25 minutes or so was amazing.
[sp]Blink skewered, solo RP'd under the tower and he turns on Bladefury, Shadow blade and runs the fuck away[/sp][/QUOTE]
SnY Lifestealer is very common in both Eastern and Western DotA and Shadow Blade on DK is fairly standard in Eastern DotA.
They play him more as a utility hero than a hard carry.
[QUOTE=Rarara;40725337]They don't
That's why.[/QUOTE]
They do
And that sucks being forced to play with shittier players instead of climbing a ladder and fighting against and with better players
[QUOTE=Rankzerox;40729618]They do
And that sucks being forced to play with shittier players instead of climbing a ladder and fighting against and with better players[/QUOTE]
I like being matched up with sub-par players, yet being matched up with enemies who know what wards are. It's really fair.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;40728506]Scepter on Lion. Let's pay 4200 gold for 25 less mana cost![/QUOTE]
I really like the stats for a squishy fucker like lion and the 185 extra damage does come in handy.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40730197]I really like the stats for a squishy fucker like lion and the 185 extra damage does come in handy.[/QUOTE]
isn't it actually 175 extra damage vs. the 300 bonus damage and 300 bonus range lina gets
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40730197]I really like the stats for a squishy fucker like lion and the 185 extra damage does come in handy.[/QUOTE]
Or rather you could buy Orchid or Veil and not pay so fucking much for an Ultimate Orb with gimmicks and buy cheaper stat items like Drum or Ghost scept instead
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40730292]isn't it actually 175 extra damage vs. the 300 bonus damage and 300 bonus range lina gets[/QUOTE]
Sure. But Lion has way more disable at hand than she does.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;40730372]Sure. But Lion has way more disable at hand than she does.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but come on, look at the difference between them on Agh's. Lina gets 300 damage and 300 cast range extra, Lion gets -25 mana (only on lvl 3) and +175 damage.
[QUOTE=Rankzerox;40729618]They do
And that sucks being forced to play with shittier players instead of climbing a ladder and fighting against and with better players[/QUOTE]
Source.
[QUOTE=Zoran;40730150]I like being matched up with sub-par players, yet being matched up with enemies who know what wards are. It's really fair.[/QUOTE]
It just makes you wanna stop playing Dota, its not funny to lose.
[editline]21st May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=MaxisOp;40730493]Source.[/QUOTE]
There is a thing called google, try it. You can also browse random players on Dotabuff if you want.
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;40730197]I really like the stats for a squishy fucker like lion and the 185 extra damage does come in handy.[/QUOTE]
lion's scepter upgrade is bar none the worst in the entire game. if you want extra burst damage just buy a dagon
like seriously why is it -25 mana? was finger a higher mana cost in the past that was reduced and the agh's cost never got changed with it? that's the only explanation I can think of
holy dicks sand king is bundles of fun
also i finally won my first game as lich
[QUOTE=dual elites;40730938]like seriously why is it -25 mana? was finger a higher mana cost in the past that was reduced and the agh's cost never got changed with it? that's the only explanation I can think of[/QUOTE]
yes
I keep talking about this but people are just like HURR BURST DAMAGE
I legitimately think Icefrog forgot about it and it'll be fixed in the next big patch
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40730455]Yeah but come on, look at the difference between them on Agh's. Lina gets 300 damage and 300 cast range extra, Lion gets -25 mana (only on lvl 3) and +175 damage.[/QUOTE]
Scepter reworks are supposedly in the baking, but take a look at Lion's ult and Lina's ult at levels.
Lina's ult always has lower CD, but less Damage, up to level 3 where they shift.
Lion's ult is more of a lvl 6 kill, so that he can avoid being starved support, so he gets couple kills around there, or at least gets people low enough for teammates to kill so he gets assist gold.
Lina's ult is topping on her already big AoE damage potential that she is supposed to throw around more often.
Scepter-wise, she gets closer to Lion's damage (bar lvl 3) and range is to actually make it usable if she's still squishy in later portions of game, so she can stay out of Aoefuckluster.
Lion has that range inherently.
I suspect his scepter and ult got tweaked/updated over time separately, leading to this pointless 25 mana and what not.
here are some really basic numbers (because i'm bad at math) for the idiots who think aghs is the best choice for lion's burst
veil of discord, 2560 gold
puts lion's burst up to 1110 by making earth spike and finger of death deal full damage
dagon, 2780 gold
puts lion's burst up to 1133 post-reduction by adding another nuke
aghanim's scepter, 4200 gold
puts lion's burst up to 964 post-reduction by increasing the damage of finger of death
[editline]21st May 2013[/editline]
hell combining veil and discord (which is about 1000 gold more than aghs) gives 1510 burst
4200 gold for 964 post-reduction vs 5340 gold for 1510 burst
Me and this game had its run, time to sell of all the items and go back to TF2, this game makes me genuinely mad and I cant stand getting mad at people just because they aren't as good as you'd expect while the entire enemy team is like handpicked just to stomp you.
GG
You know something is wrong with your support when you have more denies as a carry than he has last hits and denies combined.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40731253]You know something is wrong with your support when you have more denies as a carry than he has last hits and denies combined.[/QUOTE]
Often times as a carry I can deal with both last hits and denies, having a support try to do it throws me off, I much prefer them to send a few autoattacks towards the lane opponents.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;40731317]Often times as a carry I can deal with both last hits and denies, having a support try to do it throws me off, I much prefer them to send a few autoattacks towards the lane opponents.[/QUOTE]
Unless there is Necrolyte supporting you, right ? I know he aint best at it and would much rather steamroll with durability-carry style, but he often lands in the "lane support" role and denies are free regen for him.
[QUOTE=Rankzerox;40729618]They do
And that sucks being forced to play with shittier players instead of climbing a ladder and fighting against and with better players[/QUOTE]
The matchmaking puts you with 4 people around your skill level against 5 people around your skill level.
When it sees you win more than you lose, it increases your skill level, and then you might start losing so it falls again.
It doesn't automatically think "VICTORY DETECTED, ADD FOUR RUSSIAN TEAM MATES AND MAKE THEM FIGHT NA'VI HA HA HA"
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