[QUOTE=Suttles;40752292]pl was building AC and had vlads
trash[/QUOTE]
Illusion lifesteal yo (I don't even know if that's actually a thing).
[QUOTE=Fusilero1;40752359]Illusion lifesteal yo (I don't even know if that's actually a thing).[/QUOTE]
iirc the illusions don't even get lifesteal
[QUOTE=Constructor;40752395]iirc the illusions don't even get lifesteal[/QUOTE]
They don't.
Anybody who picks PL already loses the right to trashtalk other people for playing "cheap" heroes, imo. A PL who builds retarded shit like that doubly so.
[QUOTE=nmagain;40751999]some supports just need the gold more than others to be useful (4)
enigma, tide, sandking
some supports get more farm than other supports in a normal situation (usually also 4)
chen, enchantress
and some just dont need that much gold to be useful, just need to get their spells off in a fight. (5)
so they are dedicated to buy wards, smoke, sentries, dust etc...
bane, kotl, lina
having 2 4position supports means that you will have to dedicate more farm for them, and less for the 3 core heroes
i hope i didnt say anything wrong[/QUOTE]
What I don't really understand is why SD is generally placed in the 5 role and not 4
He's a support that scales well, so wouldn't it theoretically be better to get at least some farm on him so he doesn't get instagibbed late game?
I also saw a graph 2 months ago that showed his competitive winrate actually rises the long the game goes on (though still below 50%). Though winrate and more specifically winrate offset to time is probably a less important statistic for a support than for carries
[QUOTE=Gar~;40749765]so i recently traded for a strange invoker item, i know it resets their kill count to zero but its not counting kills, on the contrary it still counts sunstrike kills from the modifier. is there a solution to the kills not being counted or am i fucked? i googled the same question but every reply to threads regarding the issue just asked the same question[/QUOTE]
is anybody else here encountering strange items not counting their kills at the moment?
[editline]23rd May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dual elites;40751772][B]PSA: NECROLYTE IS A CARRY, IF YOU MAKE HIM PLAY IN A SUPPORT ROLE YOU ARE A BAD PERSON[/B][/QUOTE]
there are other roles than carries and supports
lol so
our team decided to all random,
friend got spectre, so i swapped him
No one attempted to gank me, so I got free farmed
Enemy team had an instant pick pl
PL got free farm and 5 kills in lane, yet he bitched about me "counterpicking" and being "overpowered"
For christ's sake, low priority for crashing in a bot game again.
Fuck you, valve, they shouldn't count abandons.
[editline]23rd May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Suttles;40752931]lol so
our team decided to all random,
friend got spectre, so i swapped him
No one attempted to gank me, so I got free farmed
Enemy team had an instant pick pl
PL got free farm and 5 kills in lane, yet he bitched about me "counterpicking" and being "overpowered"[/QUOTE]
PL and Tiny got a crapload of kills on me soloing the hard lane as DP and he still whined about their team feeding spectre.
Honestly, PL isn't all that OP. I rarely ever lose to one anymore and when I do, it's usually because my team has been fucking up rather than him just being too powerful.
His winrate in competitive isn't high at all either.
i didnt even get fed intentionally
i just pressed r
[QUOTE=MaxisOp;40748965]When I play Slark, everyone wants to catch me and make Rule 34 of me.
:([/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xanthias;40748992]and thats a bad thing because why
i mean, if you're hiding all the slark porn you better share that with me asap[/QUOTE]
this is one of the reasons people dislike slark players
not everyone is interested in circlejerking over furry porn
[QUOTE=Suttles;40752975]i didnt even get fed intentionally
i just pressed r[/QUOTE]
Spectre is so good it's not even funny, she fucks up PL so hard because you can just easily find out the real one with her ultimate and fuck him up, and all his illusions do is make her do even more damage if she's in the middle of the enemy team.
[editline]23rd May 2013[/editline]
You got Radiance that game, right?
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40752997]Spectre is so good it's not even funny, she fucks up PL so hard because you can just easily find out the real one with her ultimate and fuck him up, and all his illusions do is make her do even more damage if she's in the middle of the enemy team.
[editline]23rd May 2013[/editline]
You got Radiance that game, right?[/QUOTE]
Yea, he went Treads into Radi into Linkens into Heart
[QUOTE=Tiesieman;40752747]What I don't really understand is why SD is generally placed in the 5 role and not 4
He's a support that scales well, so wouldn't it theoretically be better to get at least some farm on him so he doesn't get instagibbed late game?
I also saw a graph 2 months ago that showed his competitive winrate actually rises the long the game goes on (though still below 50%). Though winrate and more specifically winrate offset to time is probably a less important statistic for a support than for carries[/QUOTE]
vici runs him as a solo mid. although cty dies a lot even with an euls and stuff.
survivability on him is nice, but he doesn't really become game changing with farm. as long as he gets his soul catcher, purge disruption off he's pretty much done his job
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40752972]Honestly, PL isn't all that OP. I rarely ever lose to one anymore and when I do, it's usually because my team has been fucking up rather than him just being too powerful.
His winrate in competitive isn't high at all either.[/QUOTE]
His winrate is only high when he has KOTL on his team too.
Radiance on Spectre is a waste imo, she really needs the early-mid game burst so diffusal works wonders as a first item then go into a heart
Just max Desolation first, it does the exact same thing that radiance does when you ult
[QUOTE=dual elites;40751772]his ENTIRE FUCKING SKILLSET is based around getting the last hit, that's like complaining a goddamn faceless void steals kills.
[B]PSA: NECROLYTE IS A CARRY, IF YOU MAKE HIM PLAY IN A SUPPORT ROLE YOU ARE A BAD PERSON[/B][/QUOTE]
I will fucking always have him play support if the 4 other Russians went all carry. This really annoys me. Sure, we can all pick carrys if you want. But the fucking house rule is that the best suited for support goes support. I'll never get these kids that respond with "He's never fucking support, none of the guides say so" Fuck the guides. We need a support. Seriously. ALMOST every hero can play almost every role if you build them right. Like HALF of the heroes can play every role actually.
I'll never understand people who argue when this comes up. Do they jump off a bridge because Father did so and mother claims what father does is always right?
Also yes PL has a 4.2 agility gain but he isn't immortal, he's really squishy and doesn't have a chance of surviving if you have true sight, and considering he is so reliant on farm, what can he do without it? He has a slowing nuke and a bit of magic resist, everything else is illusion based and is only as strong as he is
Drums are great on Spectre since they affect your ult illusions too
What the fuck is with these horrendous wait times? And of course the first game we get into, someone abandons immediately.
Never change Dota community. It's gotten to the point where multiple dc's don't even faze me.
Are the servers crapping themselves?
Just had a game that ended at 2 minutes because everyone had 1000+ ms ping
[QUOTE=dual elites;40751772]his ENTIRE FUCKING SKILLSET is based around getting the last hit, that's like complaining a goddamn faceless void steals kills.
[B]PSA: NECROLYTE IS A CARRY, IF YOU MAKE HIM PLAY IN A SUPPORT ROLE YOU ARE A BAD PERSON[/B][/QUOTE]
The thing is about necrolyte is that most of the time, he's better off playing a support role. He gets regen from denying as well as last hitting and he can very easily prevent his lane partner from dying. But he cannot solo a team. The thing he is best at is taking one person out of the fight with one spell (his ult, provided they have <50% health). Sure, as the teamfight goes on the enemy team has less and less health, but he can be bursted down really easily as he lacks an escape mechanism.
ALL carries have some sort of survival mechanism built in. Such as PA with her evasion and blinkstrike. Necrolyte by default only has a survivability mechanism, sadist.
Necrolyte can carry yes, but he simply has no disables (barring his ult), no escape mechanisms, lacks a significant steroid, and he's not an agility hero. If he is the only hero on your team that can carry, sure, let him carry. But if you're up against a hard carry like faceless, he's going to get melted.
No hero has a defined role. An antimage can support just as well as an omniknight can carry. If you think that one hero should only be played one way, then you need to get a lesson in dota.
[QUOTE=Gar~;40753086]Radiance on Spectre is a waste imo, she really needs the early-mid game burst so diffusal works wonders as a first item then go into a heart
Just max Desolation first, it does the exact same thing that radiance does when you ult[/QUOTE]
You should [i]always[/i] max Desolate first, regardless of what items you go for.
And you seem to miss all the points associated with Radiance on Spectre.
1- It helps her chase enemies with her ult (when combo'd with Desolate it's huge damage)
2- It further increases her DPS more she's alive in team fights
and most importantly
3- It helps her farm
Spectre, unlike most other carries, has no steroids that can help her farm, and Battlefury has very limited effectiveness on her. Anti-Mage has Mana-Break which eats down everything but Mud Golem camps, Medusa has Split-Shot, Morphling has a very strong AoE nuke, etc. Spectre has nothing in that regard. So she's forced to go one of two builds: Radiance farming or Diffusal ganking.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;40753091]I will fucking always have him play support if the 4 other Russians went all carry. This really annoys me. Sure, we can all pick carrys if you want. But the fucking house rule is that the best suited for support goes support. I'll never get these kids that respond with "He's never fucking support, none of the guides say so" Fuck the guides. We need a support. Seriously. ALMOST every hero can play almost every role if you build them right. Like HALF of the heroes can play every role actually.[/QUOTE]
you're right, antimage is a great support!
(if you're discussing heroes they are best talked about in the roles they are suited for. of course pretty much every hero can be played in any position, that doesn't mean they are worth discussing in those positions)
[QUOTE=Gar~;40752833]there are other roles than carries and supports[/QUOTE]
whoa thanks for the giant fucking revelation captain, i totally wasn't aware!
necrolyte is still a carry
[QUOTE=NoName-;40753119]Drums are great on Spectre since they affect your ult illusions too[/QUOTE]
Drums and Diffusal is the standard mid-game Spectre build.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40753262]The thing is about necrolyte is that most of the time, he's better off playing a support role. He gets regen from denying as well as last hitting and he can very easily prevent his lane partner from dying.[/quote]
no he can't, his pulse takes the majority of his mana early unless he - shock horror - is getting farm to support his spell spam. almost any support with a real stun or disable can prevent a lane partner's death far better than a mediocre heal can
[quote]But he cannot solo a team. The thing he is best at is taking one person out of the fight with one spell (his ult, provided they have <50% health). Sure, as the teamfight goes on the enemy team has less and less health, but he can be bursted down really easily as he lacks an escape mechanism.
[/quote]
which is why he needs to farm, so he can build tanky items and not be bursted down? i don't see what's hard about this
[quote]ALL carries have some sort of survival mechanism built in. Such as PA with her evasion and blinkstrike. Necrolyte by default only has a survivability mechanism, sadist.[/quote]
lol okay you have to be trolling by this point right
[quote]Necrolyte can carry yes, but he simply has no disables (barring his ult), no escape mechanisms, lacks a significant steroid, and he's not an agility hero. If he is the only hero on your team that can carry, sure, let him carry. But if you're up against a hard carry like faceless, he's going to get melted.[/quote]
yes, that's why he's a mid-game carry, not a late-game one. "carry" does not always mean "right clicks enemies to death", it just refers to heroes who require lots of farm to get their job done
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40753262]The thing is about necrolyte is that most of the time, he's better off playing a support role. He gets regen from denying as well as last hitting and he can very easily prevent his lane partner from dying. But he cannot solo a team. The thing he is best at is taking one person out of the fight with one spell (his ult, provided they have <50% health). Sure, as the teamfight goes on the enemy team has less and less health, but he can be bursted down really easily as he lacks an escape mechanism.
ALL carries have some sort of survival mechanism built in. Such as PA with her evasion and blinkstrike. Necrolyte by default only has a survivability mechanism, sadist.
Necrolyte can carry yes, but he simply has no disables (barring his ult), no escape mechanisms, lacks a significant steroid, and he's not an agility hero. If he is the only hero on your team that can carry, sure, let him carry. But if you're up against a hard carry like faceless, he's going to get melted.
No hero has a defined role. An antimage can support just as well as an omniknight can carry. If you think that one hero should only be played one way, then you need to get a lesson in dota.[/QUOTE]
Not all carries have a built-in survivability mechanism. Look at Shadow Fiend, he only has straight damage, and yet he carries just fine.
Carries have different roles too. There are tank carries, like Spectre, there are DPS carries, like Shadow Fiend, and there are disable carries, like Faceless Void.
Necrolyte is definitely a form of tank carry, but he's usually not played that way because he honestly doesn't need farm to be effective. His ult can instantly murder someone on the enemy side of the team at a low enough HP (Morphling's bane) without any farm to it.
Honestly, you should be able to play Necrolyte as any way you should see fit, he's just too good a hero to be shoved into one role. You can play him as a ganker and you could be successful, you could play him as a tank carry, a support, or anything in between. This whole argument is fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=Gar~;40753086]Radiance on Spectre is a waste imo, she really needs the early-mid game burst so diffusal works wonders as a first item then go into a heart
Just max Desolation first, it does the exact same thing that radiance does when you ult[/QUOTE]
or
max desolation and get radiance
??????
i wouldnt have got as many kills without radiance
also radiance shits on pl
[QUOTE=Chaplin;40752051]why is every PL player such an arrogant dick
the other day these guys instalocked kotl and PL, and called gg 1 minute in
they got their asses kicked though because PL went vlad's first for some reason[/QUOTE]
I did the sin of instapicking PL with my friend going kotl.
We then went 3 games in a row with various allies that were terrible/feeders in their own unique ways.
I guess this is the price I pay.
[QUOTE=NoName-;40753119]Drums are great on Spectre since they affect your ult illusions too[/QUOTE]
Because they're +9 stats for all your illusions, the whole point of illusion heroes is to stack stats and only build orbs your illusions can carry
And in actual fact your illusions dont benefit from auras, they just carry them
[QUOTE=Fusilero1;40752359]Illusion lifesteal yo (I don't even know if that's actually a thing).[/QUOTE]
PL illusions get neither vlads lifesteal nor the damage bonus.
They get 5 armor, wow so useful when you already got 40 of that and can get 5 more by buying an eaglesong or something.
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