I start with three tangoes and four branches and rush bottle then rush bt's right afterwards
then I get a soul ring and a blink dagger and the rest is entirely based on the game
usually though I go sheep->dagon->sell bottle to get linkens->sell soul ring to get shivas
[QUOTE=lol user;40755373]Whats a good Tinker build?
[editline]23rd May 2013[/editline]
I mean the items you buy on him, a purchase order would be great if possible[/QUOTE]
pro as heck guide to tinker
[quote][B]Skill Build: [/B]
Lvl 1-8: Laser/Missles*
Lvl 9: Rearm
Lvl 10-13: March of the Machines
Lvl 14: Rearm
Lvl 15: Stats
Lvl 16: Rearm[/quote]
* Technically you don't get Rearm and March of the Machines until you have Boots of Travel. You can swap the skills around depending on when ever you get the Boots.
[QUOTE][B]Item Build:[/B]
Bottle - Boots - ( Soul Ring / Bracer )* - Boots Of Travel - ( Force Staff)* - Scythe of Vice - Black King Bar - Shiva's Guard - Situationals[/QUOTE]
* After getting your boots you can get a Bracer if times are rough. You can also get a Soul Ring if you're planning on ganking a lot since its really useful, however its required - its up to you to decide whether to get it before or after Boots of Travel. Getting Anything else before BoT slow you down too much however.
* Force Staff is a really good item as it helps you run away from people that gank you. Except to see people setting up traps on lanes that they expect you to TP to and push. Its also good for its general usefulness
[B]Playstyle: [/B]
If you go mid you you need to start ganking when you've gotten some levels on your Laser and Rockets. Since you will have a good level advantage over the other lanes you should be able to kill squishies by yourself and pretty much everything else with the help of your allies on that lane.
[B]Killing people early game:[/B] When ganking early on, walk up to your enemy so you get inrange for Laser, shoots ROCKETS first then instantly Laser them. This way the two spells will hit at almost the same time, leaving your enemy with less time to react.
[B]Pushing Lanes( With BoT and Soul Ring): [/B]Before doing anything you need to know where everyone is. If you see 4 enemies bot lane and one mid then you have to decide - Do you teleport and push top or do you teleport bot and help defend. If you think your team can manage defending in that situation then you go and do the following:
[I]Teleport to friendly Creep - Walk a few steps below the creep wave and activate March of the Machines so it hits it from a slight angle( This way your robots have a bigger chance to actually hit the creeps than if you cast it straight at the wave - Activate Soul Ring - Rearm - March of the Machines - Soul Ring/Bottle if needed - Teleport out - Rearm[/I]
[B]Killing people late game:[/B] When you have your Scythe ready you can kill any hero 1v1(provided you can click on him before he escapes). If you see someone trying to defend a tower alone or just trying to push you can try to kill them. Always rearm at fountain as you will need the mana when ganking - If you get to the enemy unnoticed open up on him: [I]Hex - Laser - Rockets - Soul Ring - Bottle - Rearm - Hex - Repeat.[/I]
If you have your Shiva's active it as well.
[B]Item choices in late game: [/B]
Tinker doesn't need item that make him a tanky, you need items that you can refresh and use. Good items should be a BKB( Versus a lot of stuns/nukes ), Ghost Scepter/Ethereal Blade ( Versus fed agility heroes ), Manta ( Gives good stats + lods of illusions ). A special mention goes for Dagon. Getting a Dagon right after Boots will make any Tinker a killing machine. Your rockets/laser combo already hurts like hell and adding a Dagon to the mix will pretty much ensure you getting a kill on pretty much anyone who isn't magic immune. Don't get carried away with upgrading it though since first you need your Scythe.
And there you go.
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this is an "early game ganking into lategame disable machine" build
[QUOTE=maxumym;40750663]Daisuke Ono as Pudge.
Just imagine.[/QUOTE]
hook pull
Maggarre~
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40754967]I personally don't play puck but if I did I'd probably get orb at level 1, then phaseshift at 2, then max silence then orb then phaseshift
I'm probably really dumb for maxing silence first but oh well[/QUOTE]
I usually just leave phase shift at 1 until everything else is maxed out
[QUOTE=Gar~;40755218]yeah but having the levels in unstable current and a bit of tankiness from farm is what makes static link so good[/QUOTE]
There's no reason to not have it though like in lane is when it's the most amazing try last hitting as a melee vs a razor with early static link it's so hard and razor will whip your sorry ass. So much attack drain and attack gain early on for 25mp I don't understand how people can look at it and go "Yeah I won't need this until level 10"
[QUOTE=Fusilero1;40755878]There's no reason to not have it though like in lane is when it's the most amazing try last hitting as a melee vs a razor with early static link it's so hard and razor will whip your sorry ass. So much attack drain and attack gain early on for 25mp I don't understand how people can look at it and go "Yeah I won't need this until level 10"[/QUOTE]
Random gold on Razor is the shit, start boots first with static link and enjoy the freefarm and their complete and utter lack of farm. :v:
Is there a way to fix International Hud mixing with regular ? I tried the Pick Base HUD - > Unequip and Equip International and it doesn't work.
There will be a time where I will tell my children about when I bought an orb of venom as venomancer while laning with a juggernaut.
So much poison, so much slow... mmmmmmm
[QUOTE=dass;40757077]There will be a time where I will tell my children about when I bought an orb of venom as venomancer while laning with a juggernaut.
So much poison, so much slow... mmmmmmm[/QUOTE]
literally everyone who has played veno with a juggernaut has done this
orb of venom is fantastic on venomancer, built into skadi later so you can just sit in the middle of the fight and ult
Skadi on Venomancer is both one of the most hilarious and one of the most evil things you can do.
[QUOTE=Maruhai;40754806]I take a level of phase shift at level 2 then max it last, am I doing it right ?[/QUOTE]
yes this is the way to go if you're mid
[editline]23rd May 2013[/editline]
play ur positioning cards right and it should be available when you need it; the silence/orb damage are really great and go hand in hand
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40757220]Skadi on Venomancer is both one of the most hilarious and one of the most evil things you can do.[/QUOTE]
also one of the worst
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40757220]Skadi on Venomancer is both one of the most hilarious and one of the most evil things you can do.[/QUOTE]
I still think Skadi on Clinkz is one of the most nasty and evil things you ca do to someone in the game.
[QUOTE=Suttles;40752292]pl was building AC and had vlads
trash[/QUOTE]
Or was he building a Mjollnir? That actually sounds funny on illusion heroes assuming they get the Attack Speed bonus.
[editline]23rd May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40754355]holy shit
the most used puck skillbuild doesn't level phase shift till 10[/QUOTE]
I like my Puck build.
QEQWQRQWWWREEE Stat R etc.
[QUOTE=Prism;40757392]also one of the worst[/QUOTE]
Still hilarious. :v:
[QUOTE==DarkStar=;40757495]I still think Skadi on Clinkz is one of the most nasty and evil things you ca do to someone in the game.[/QUOTE]
It's a very very close 2nd, yeah.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40757158]literally everyone who has played veno with a juggernaut has done this[/QUOTE]
getting more centipede poison?
[QUOTE=faggot.;40749097]so techies is not getting released/made right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40749289]Not until he gets a rework. Same deal with pitlord.[/QUOTE]
still want to see the source for this
[QUOTE=Zoran;40757746]Or was he building a Mjollnir? That actually sounds funny on illusion heroes assuming they get the Attack Speed bonus.
[/QUOTE]
They do not get flat attack speed.
[editline] May 23 2013 [/editline]
They can't even benefit from the raw damage, nor proc Mjornir.
Useless tool for illusionists like him.
Guide written by an ex comp player on how to solo offlane
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1ewk4f/how_to_offlane_a_guide/[/url]
[QUOTE=Prism;40757392]also one of the worst[/QUOTE]
Seriously no, I have been balling like shit with Veno skadi. Kited 1v5 enemy team and managed to get 4 kills in the process.
Oh snap, the Chinese voices are in now.
[QUOTE=Jessey;40758506]Seriously no, I have been balling like shit with Veno skadi. Kited 1v5 enemy team and managed to get 4 kills in the process.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and I did this:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/hsm79qx.png[/img]
But it doesnt mean its a good item build. Skadi is a complete waste and a terrible item on veno and you should only get it when you are trolling/when you have thousands of gold and you are pushing the enemy ancient.
[QUOTE==DarkStar=;40757495]I still think Skadi on Clinkz is one of the most nasty and evil things you ca do to someone in the game.[/QUOTE]
Probably worse than Drow, even if Drow has that insane bonus to AGI in her Ult to back her up. Then again, Drow's Frost Arrows slow by 60% when fully-upgraded, whilst Skadi only slows by 30% though it also slows attack speed by 20%. That's one of the reasons I don't really like her; unless you have an escape or a stun or you can out DPS her, once she's loosing her Frost Arrows you probably aren't getting out of it alive.
The global bonus to ranged damage I'm ok with, but either her Ult could do with a bit of trimming-down (20/40/60 as opposed to 40/60/80) or maybe her movement speed is also reduced when there are enemy Heroes within range; that way she'd be beastly against those who flee, but if an enemy gets up in her grill she can't escape so easily, making enemies with a blink or mobility boost more dangerous against her. So in theory, combine that with an Omniknight using Blink Dagger (an unorthodox item for him but hear me out), and Purist Thunderwrath could bring the holy smackdown on her if the movespeed reduction on rejiggered Marksmanship stacked with Degen Aura.
Oh, by the way, if Drow is UP in some way or another, do point out which way. Aside from her being easily shut-downable in the early game through jungle control or early ganking.
no patch today I guess? :/
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40756558]Is there a way to fix International Hud mixing with regular ? I tried the Pick Base HUD - > Unequip and Equip International and it doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Click the shouting face logo on the top left (Shared items) and click the checkbox for the HUD a few times. (This only works after you picked your hero)
[QUOTE=Naught;40758805]no patch today I guess? :/[/QUOTE]
There's a few hours left.
[QUOTE=Naught;40758805]no patch today I guess? :/[/QUOTE]
I'm almost on the verge of saying that there won't be a test client update by now.
[QUOTE=butters757;40759119]There's a few hours left.[/QUOTE]
ive never seen them do a patch after 8 pm (east murica)
V wow was I wrong
my test is updating
261.9mb
[quote]GAMEPLAY
- Elder Titan: Fixed Natural Order not upgrading on Elder Titan.
- Elder Titan: Fixed Ancestral Spirit waking up units that were hit by the Spirit Stomp.
- Elder Titan: Fixed Ancestral Spirit having the wrong radius while returning after it expired.
- Fixed Shadow Blade incorrectly revealing its owner on secondary attack types if they occurred after the fade time.
UI
- The combat log is now localized.
- The Watch tab will now default to the Tournaments sub-tab if there is a live match.
- Added an automatic "(idle)" tag in Rich Presence for players that are AFK.
- Tournaments are now sorted by their last game played.
- Fixed a bug where notifications of item purchases didn't work if the courier did the purchase.
- Fixed bug where chat ban notifications weren't displaying hours left correctly.
PERFORMANCE
- Reduced memory usage.
AUDIO
- Updated Nightstalker ultimate sound and made it global for teammates.
- Fixed Mana Leak target sound.
- Fixed Dust sound.[/quote]
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