[QUOTE=Phir3;40865870]What is the reasoning behind getting phase boots over power treads on spectre?[/QUOTE]
she has pretty poor base damage
i heavily disagree with it though
[QUOTE=Phir3;40865870]What is the reasoning behind getting phase boots over power treads on spectre?[/QUOTE]
Probably better chasing since the speed boost mixed with your dagger, but still dont take the Valve builds too seriously, nothing is really set in stone on Dota.
Besides they have a lot of outdated builds since patches came out and they never bothered to change the recommendated items for some heroes.
[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;40862022]What other staple items are there for individual heroes, then?[/QUOTE]
Butterfly on Faceless, Rapier on Medusa, Ursa with Vlad's, and after the new update, Agh's on Doom.
[QUOTE=Chickens!;40863898]You are absolutely correct, get armor reduction/survivability items instead.
I like to get Medallion -> Drum -> Desolator -> Whatever it doesnt matter everyone's already dead.[/QUOTE]
I only ever go two Bounty Hunter builds:
Urn > Vlad's > Deso > ???
or
Medallion > Vlad's > Deso > ???
The only deviations I ever do to these builds are either adding Drums and/or getting Deso right after Urn/Medallion if I get really fed.
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
Have about an 80% winrate as Bounty Hunter and these builds have served me well.
Just had one of my most enjoyable games ever; it was an in-house and I was on the offlane and chose slark. Managed to go 24-2-21 which is a record number of kills for me, and went armlet, skadi, butterfly and mjollnir. Absolutely adore that hero.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;40866129]Just had one of my most enjoyable games ever; it was an in-house and I was on the offlane and chose slark. Managed to go 24-2-21 which is a record number of kills for me, and went armlet, skadi, butterfly and mjollnir. Absolutely adore that hero.[/QUOTE]
Slark is such an arsehole to play against.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40866016]Butterfly on Faceless, Rapier on Medusa[/QUOTE]
They are not staple at all
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;40866155]Slark is such an arsehole to play against.[/QUOTE]
Ohh yes. I love the satisfaction of eating a load of nukes before coming back 10 seconds later with full health while they run away with no mana.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;40866058]When do you even need more than 15 seconds of Doom?[/QUOTE]
That's like asking 'why do I need to kill people in DotA?'
It will make them utterly useless and will be a certain kill in most cases.
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866163]They are not staple at all[/QUOTE]
You're not playing either right if you don't get them at some stage.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;40866129]Just had one of my most enjoyable games ever; it was an in-house and I was on the offlane and chose slark. Managed to go 24-2-21 which is a record number of kills for me, and went armlet, skadi, butterfly and mjollnir. Absolutely adore that hero.[/QUOTE]
The other day I managed to go 44:0:2 as Slark. The other team was so incredibly bad....... Not a single instance of detection the entire game, and they kept wandering off alone.
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;40865846]50.[/QUOTE]
Really? I heard it was 500. Well, time to seek a non-overpriced Grillhound with more than 50 views.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DMFNmGa7s[/media]
Man this song, this fucking song right there gotta be the best one in the game.
You know what this song reminds me? The star of the Exodus of the Horde Prologue in WC3
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40866172]That's like asking 'why do I need to kill people in DotA?'
It will make them utterly useless and will be a certain kill in most cases.
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
You're not playing either right if you don't get them at some stage.[/QUOTE]
It's not like they're not viable but they're not staple. I could think of much better item slots for both heroes
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866456]It's not like they're not viable but they're not staple. I could think of much better item slots for both heroes[/QUOTE]
You're kidding, right? All that evasion on Void stacks with his Backtrack directly, you'd be insane not to get it.
And Medusa is the single best Rapier carrier in the entire game. She's practically immortal late game and she can hit 5 targets at once.
[QUOTE=Phir3;40865870]What is the reasoning behind getting phase boots over power treads on spectre?[/QUOTE]
Double movespeed on Spectral path for easier chase/escape.
However, considering the fact that Spectre illusions will just get the raw speed component of phase, whereas treads will give some strength/agility to your haunts, combined with Spectre's desire to be difficult to kill, Power treads are better.
Don't forget about early Tranquils for hard lanes, though. Lane sustain is more of your ally as a carry than stats may be early on.
[QUOTE=MaxisOp;40866511]Double movespeed on Spectral path for easier chase/escape.
However, considering the fact that Spectre illusions will just get the raw speed component of phase, whereas treads will give some strength/agility to your haunts, combined with Spectre's desire to be difficult to kill, Power treads are better.
Don't forget about early Tranquils for hard lanes, though. Lane sustain is more of your ally as a carry than stats may be early on.[/QUOTE]
Power Treads only give like 8 more stats to the illusions, it's completely negligible. Phase provides for a much easier escape and ganking capabilities, which is basically Spectre's job mid-game. Phase also go with the Phase/Drum build on her, making her a speedy demon, and Drums do actually work with her illusions.
And I'm not entirely sure if her illusions benefit from her boots, since they already start out with a base 400 movespeed.
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866456]It's not like they're not viable but they're not staple. I could think of much better item slots for both heroes[/QUOTE]
You can think of a better item for Faceless Void than a Butterfly?
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40866542]You can think of a better item for Faceless Void than a Butterfly?[/QUOTE]
If he says 'Mask of Madness' I will piss myself with laughter
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40866487]You're kidding, right? All that evasion on Void stacks with his Backtrack directly, you'd be insane not to get it.[/QUOTE]
But you're a hero that's literally put in the game to augment DPS as much as you can, why would you spend 1800 on evasion? More importantly, if you're trying to defend yourself (because smart teams wont group for chrono) then you'd want to not be stunlocked or anything, if you wanted to build survivability on a hero thats designed to make himself to as much damage in 5 seconds as he can, then you'd want a BKB to go totally interrupted.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40866487]And Medusa is the single best Rapier carrier in the entire game. She's practically immortal late game and she can hit 5 targets at once.[/QUOTE]
Yes but its not staple. In most cases by the time you've farmed up enough to be survivable enough to carry one while having a good dps output, the game would have ended
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866586]But you're a hero that's literally put in the game to augment DPS as much as you can, why would you spend 1800 on evasion? More importantly, if you're trying to defend yourself (because smart teams wont group for chrono) then you'd want to not be stunlocked or anything, if you wanted to build survivability on a hero thats designed to make himself to as much damage in 5 seconds as he can, then you'd want a BKB to go totally interrupted.
Yes but its not staple. In most cases by the time you've farmed up enough to be survivable enough to carry one while having a good dps output, the game would have ended[/QUOTE]
Because on top of the added survivability that the evasion gives you, you'll get some pretty good stats and damage out of it?
Doesn't make it staple
[editline]2nd June 2013[/editline]
Anyways saying its staple is like saying Sheep is staple on prophet, most people believe it but you can give him an orchids or desolator instead. It's a good item in any case but it isn't staple. "Staple" is stuff where you need to be mentally retarded not to get the item on the hero, like Manta on Anti-Mage. I'd consider Basher to be core on Night Stalker, but it doesn't mean you have to agree with it
[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;40862022]What other staple items are there for individual heroes, then?[/QUOTE]
Agh's on Brewmaster?
To be honest there's very few agi carries where a butterfly isn't a great pickup. I'd say it's as good as core on faceless. You [I]can[/I] get other items and you won't be much worse off, but I'd say it's overall the best pickup for any items of the same cost. I think people have a habit of thinking that the only virtue of getting faceless is his chrono, but if you're playing a hero in a way that makes him useful for only 5 seconds in 100, you're playing him badly. For the other 95 seconds, the evasion butterfly gives you is fucking incredible and the rest of its stats are really worth it too.
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866644]Doesn't make it staple
[editline]2nd June 2013[/editline]
Anyways saying its staple is like saying Sheep is staple on prophet, most people believe it but you can give him an orchids or desolator instead. It's a good item in any case but it isn't staple. "Staple" is stuff where you need to be mentally retarded not to get the item on the hero, like Manta on Anti-Mage. I'd consider Basher to be core on Night Stalker, but it doesn't mean you have to agree with it[/QUOTE]
Sheepstick is staple on Furion because you can get more than just one or two of the items you mentioned.
Butterfly would be "staple" for Void because, come on, why wouldn't you get it.
It gives you about 50% overall dodge, more damage, more attack speed, more agility(so even more damage+attack speed) and all that in one slot.
Saying you need BKB is like saying you should get Heart, Satanic and Scepter, all items you have absolutely no need of (scepter is good a rare time though)
If your whole strategy relies on getting everyone in a chrono and killing them in 5 seconds, you deserve to lose.
this void dicussion reminds me of how a while ago I was playing captains mode with a friend
I was playing lesh, he was playing void and already had a bkb
he bkb'd and threw down the chrono right in front of a naga who was ulting
but I already had pulse nova on, so it killed naga while she was frozen in chrono while freezing me in song
[QUOTE=Rarara;40866756]Sheepstick is staple on Furion because you can get more than just one or two of the items you mentioned.
Butterfly would be "staple" for Void because, come on, why wouldn't you get it.
It gives you about 50% overall dodge, more damage, more attack speed, more agility(so even more damage+attack speed) and all that in one slot.
Saying you need BKB is like saying you should get Heart, Satanic and Scepter, all items you have absolutely no need of (scepter is good a rare time though)[/QUOTE]
I very rarely get sheepstick on furion. Definitely not staple if you're going for a splitpush strat; better off spending the money on deso/necrobook/ac. Depending on how well the carry is doing I often go for mjollnir/mkb/crit if they're not doing great (or if the game's going so well I can afford to bypass the extra disable). Otherwise sheepstick is a really useful pickup but far from core depending on your playstyle.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;40866758]If your whole strategy relies on getting everyone in a chrono and killing them in 5 seconds, you deserve to lose.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you deserve to lose if you depend on one of the best teamfight ults in the game being well placed to win a teamfight
???
[editline]2nd June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=MaxisOp;40866511]Don't forget about early Tranquils for hard lanes, though. Lane sustain is more of your ally as a carry than stats may be early on.[/QUOTE]
Tranquils are [url=http://puu.sh/361Ra.jpg]fantasic[/url] on spectre, and getting vlads out of them is really nice boost on her after the mid game phase
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866805]Yeah, you deserve to lose if you depend on one of the best teamfight ults in the game being well placed to win a teamfight
???[/QUOTE]
chrono is pretty huge but not void's one big thing
it is the ability to randomly not die while someone is randomly forced to stand still forever
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866805]Yeah, you deserve to lose if you depend on one of the best teamfight ults in the game being well placed to win a teamfight
???[/QUOTE]
Depend on using it to win by all means, but it's not the extent of faceless' usefulness. You can't expect to win reliably if your hard carry is only useful for 5 seconds out of 100. That's why the extra tankiness from butterfly is integral.
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