What level should i have Quas Wex and Ex at the same time?
The whole reason faceless is a hard carry is because of his 25% evasion rather than his chrono. If all you care about is hitting good chronos you might as well go utility faceless and get a scepter with a ranged hero/wd to carry the game.
*and his time lapse. You capitalise on these two traits by stacking more evasion and by hitting as fast as possible. Butterfly gives both of these.
[QUOTE=Nightfury;40866863]What level should i have Quas Wex and Ex at the same time?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the lane and what kind of Invoker you're playing.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;40866870]The whole reason faceless is a hard carry is because of his 25% evasion rather than his chrono. If all you care about is hitting good chronos you might as well go utility faceless and get a scepter with a ranged hero/wd to carry the game.[/QUOTE]
If you get the wrong person outside of a chrono, you could get completely fucked. If you land a 5 man chrono late game, it's practically a won teamfight.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40866547]If he says 'Mask of Madness' I will piss myself with laughter[/QUOTE]
MoM is actually OK on Void though.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;40866935]MoM is actually OK on Void though.[/QUOTE]
If you get it as a first item I will murder your babies.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40866906]If you get the wrong person outside of a chrono, you could get completely fucked. If you land a 5 man chrono late game, it's practically a won teamfight.[/QUOTE]
For sure. I don't think it's reliable for your plays to rest on the enemy team being inside a 400 radius at a moment where your team is ready to pounce. In games where the enemy is careful enough to avoid that, you need something to fall back on.
[QUOTE=Rarara;40866756]Sheepstick is staple on Furion because you can get more than just one or two of the items you mentioned.[/QUOTE]
It's not staple though. You could get treads, necrobook, desolator, mjollnir, crit and orchids. thats six slots, by the time you have these items the game should be over, not to mention you'd usually be holding a midas unless the game has gone over the 60 minute mark. Plus Orchids costs 1500 less than sheepstick, the silence is very reliable in combination with your sprout (which stops melee heroes attacking you, so it's a pseudo-sheep), and the fact it increases your damage output with its active rather than disabling the target is much preferred in solo-kill situations. Due to your nature of farming as actively as you can so you can hit level 16 as soon as possible, more often than not you'll TP in to clean things up rather than TP in the middle of a fight because you'll be so occupied in the jungle/pushing lanes. Also considering the fact it is literally over the cost of a midas recipe cheaper, ha much cheaper components that means you can scale in the early-mid game with it rather than having to save up 2700 gold for a mystic staff, and it gives you 20 more damage and 20 more attack speed than the sheep, i'd consider that a staple item myself. Does NOT mean anyone has to agree with it, and I can understand why other people would take sheep over it, so hopefully you can see from my point of view that the item you are backing up is not a staple when I understand mine isn't despite it being better in my opinion. Orchids still wont stop ranged right clickers, so there are some cases where sheep would be preferred.
[QUOTE]Butterfly would be "staple" for Void because, come on, why wouldn't you get it. It gives you about 50% overall dodge, more damage, more attack speed, more agility(so even more damage+attack speed) and all that in one slot.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's core, I'm just suggesting that if survivability was an issue. You'd need to be getting lots of freefarm to be able to get a butterfly, that 1800 cost talisman is pretty much a 2k recipe for an item like that. I think 60 attack speed and 60 damage in one slot is great but its still quite the farm. Void's fall behind more often than not so its hard for them to get the Butterfly in most cases.
[QUOTE]Saying you need BKB is like saying you should get Heart, Satanic and Scepter, all items you have absolutely no need of (scepter is good a rare time though)[/QUOTE]
wow you are really missing the point
[QUOTE](scepter is good a rare time though)[/QUOTE]
And I used to doubt scepter void but it's actually really good, it's very situational but definitely worth the slot if you need it
[editline]2nd June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40866542]You can think of a better item for Faceless Void than a Butterfly?[/QUOTE]
Not being a smart ass but I'd rather have my slots filled with treads, AC, mjollnir, crit, desolator and a Battlefury. Hell, even an MKB if I needed it somewhere. They're built from much cheaper components, 12 armor reduction which assists the entire team's right clicks along with the tiny armor and attack speed buff for allies, crit to shit on people with that ridulous dps output and lack of armor which also increases the cleave damage if you pick out the squishiest target, etc etc etc. Any Void playing against a competent team, unless his team are complete tryhards 4-man defending his ass, are going to be shut down often and will have a hard time buying a 3300 eaglesong on top of an 1800 gold evasion
[QUOTE=Colour;40866894]Depends on the lane and what kind of Invoker you're playing.[/QUOTE]
I get most of times mid or top as Dire, and summoner Invoker
[QUOTE=Nightfury;40867020]I get most of times mid or top as Dire, and summoner Invoker[/QUOTE]
Wait, are you using the invokerism guides?
EDIT:
I really think regardless of build you should have every element by 7, that way you can use every spell, and at least get some use out of each. I'd really recommend avoiding the Invokerism guides as they aren't very good in quite a lot of aspects.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;40866870]The whole reason faceless is a hard carry is because of his 25% evasion rather than his chrono.[/QUOTE]
This is a really dumb post. I guess you think PA is a carry cause she can evade attacks rather than crit for 450% of whatever she has farmed? Or windrunner is a hard carry cause she can't be hit at all without MKB?!?!??!?!? And Void's chrono that allows him to do as much damage as he farmed himself up to have for 5 seconds doesn't make him a carry?
[editline]2nd June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nightfury;40866863]What level should i have Quas Wex and Ex at the same time?[/QUOTE]
You either get a level as early as possible in the third point you are not levelling, or ignore it completely until they are both maxed
[editline]2nd June 2013[/editline]
PS invokerism guides were written by a sperg who thinks he's really funny, don't acknowledge their existence
[QUOTE=Gar~;40867094]This is a really dumb post. I guess you think PA is a carry cause she can evade attacks rather than crit for 450% of whatever she has farmed? Or windrunner is a hard carry cause she can't be hit at all without MKB?!?!??!?!? And Void's chrono that allows him to do as much damage as he farmed himself up to have for 5 seconds doesn't make him a carry?[/QUOTE]
I forgot to mention timelapse too; that makes him carry harder as well. PA carries because of her passives; evasion and crit. Carries are generally carries because they're able to absorb damage and hit things hard. Chrono is a fucking awesome ability, but it's not really what makes him a carry.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;40866870]The whole reason faceless is a hard carry is because of his 25% evasion rather than his chrono. If all you care about is hitting good chronos you might as well go utility faceless and get a scepter with a ranged hero/wd to carry the game.
*and his time lapse. You capitalise on these two traits by stacking more evasion and by hitting as fast as possible. Butterfly gives both of these.[/QUOTE]
Wut? What does evasion matter when you have the entire enemy team stuck in your chronosphere and you gib them with Battlefury Daedulus?
I'd imagine he's a hard carry because he's the only hero who can enter the chronosphere and not get stunned, allowing him to completely take control of situations in his favor. Get Battlefury and some damage and anyone in your chronosphere is dead. One well-placed ult during lategame and it's GG. But in order for that chronosphere to matter Faceless needs a lot items.
[QUOTE=Keychain;40867168]I'd imagine he's a hard carry because he's the only hero who can enter the chronosphere and not get stunned[/QUOTE]
he has a random chance to not take damage and a random chance to make people stand still for what feels like forever, and you think chrono is his one really big thing
[QUOTE=Keychain;40867168]Wut? What does evasion matter when you have the entire enemy team stuck in your chronosphere and you gib them with Battlefury Daedulus?
I'd imagine he's a hard carry because he's the only hero who can enter the chronosphere and not get stunned, allowing him to completely take control of situations in his favor. Get Battlefury and some damage and anyone in your chronosphere is dead. One well-placed ult during lategame and it's GG. But in order for that chronosphere to matter Faceless needs a lot items.[/QUOTE]
Usually Treads + MoM + Bfury is enough to kill 1 guy during the sphere, if not then bashes will take them out shortly after. He's a hardcarry but he activates with just those items quite well. He needs levels to start contributing into fights. I'm not saying that he doesn't need them, but a couple of items can ensure that you can participate with just Chronosphere and bashes.
When you rack a few kills, you start balling out of time.
Well it's entirely situational. Faceless can be a threat for multiple reasons.
[QUOTE=LukeyxD;40867088]Wait, are you using the invokerism guides?
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Not really, i don't like following guides too much.
Nobody was ever trying to argue that chrono isn't a gamechanger. I'm just saying that you can't rely on it on its own to win fights because you need the attack speed/tankiness to finish people off, generally.
[QUOTE=Nightfury;40867359]Not really, i don't like following guides too much.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you there, and I was going to use this post to rant on about how much i hate those horrendously pretentious ivokerism guides but that won't help anyone.
So I just played CM with a 4 man. As luck would have it, the 5th russian guy got the pick (he didn't realize we 4 were russians as well and tried to speak in terribly broken english, it was hilarious to watch)
He picked Pudge, CK, Rubick, QoP and Drow.
The enemy team got Puck, AM, Enigma, Bane and Slardar.
I went QoP offlane. I don't know what brain capacity their team had, but it certainly was not higher than a calculator. They couldn't even pull off a Nightmare->Slithereen Crush combo on me, the Slardar right-clicked me and got nightmared instead. I completely shitstomped all over them, that was hilarious. Is this what trench CM's feel like?
Would Hyperstone on faceless void be good?
when and how are you supposed to use crystal maidens ult?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;40867638]Would Hyperstone on faceless void be good?[/QUOTE]
Attack Speed in general.
AC has a point if noone else is ever going to make one.
Mjollnir + Chrono on a tight group = Big hurt
+Mjollnir/Maelstrom can beat battlefury at times.
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Clio;40867663]when and how are you supposed to use crystal maidens ult?[/QUOTE]
Safe distance, high ground, BKB activated, after enemy's disables.
Basically, imagine you are enemy hero and then pick situation where [I]you[/I] would not be able to break CM's ult.
[QUOTE=Clio;40867663]when and how are you supposed to use crystal maidens ult?[/QUOTE]
query: do you have bkb and a positioning item
yes: use it when you get to a good position
no: do not use it
[QUOTE=Gar~;40866956]-snip-[/QUOTE]
Well, personally, I'd much rather have the ability to hex a carry or important target over mjollnir (necrobook is cool though)
Also I did say scepter was good a rare time which means the same as very situational so yeah.
Except Butterfly barely costs any more than AC or MKB or Mjollnir and is much better both survivability-wise and damage-wise.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;40867638]Would Hyperstone on faceless void be good?[/QUOTE]
Cuirass is actually good because of the juicy attack speed and negative armour aura herlps him hit harder. Of course mjolnir with its brutal attack speed and +200 RNG chain nuke is all good.
[QUOTE=Clio;40867663]when and how are you supposed to use crystal maidens ult?[/QUOTE]
spam all your spells and when you notice they run out of disables that breaks your channeling, get the fuck in and use it
Also about Butterfly being a staple item on Void, i thought with staple items you guys meant big items that are obligatory to get FIRST, and lets be honest, getting a Butterfly first with Void its not ideal unless the enemy has somehow 5 right clickers, later in the game yea its fucking great.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40862450]there's also a bowing taunt for leshrac that's in the files but not available which I hope becomes available at some point because leshrac is already baller as fuck and being able to take a fancy bow is even more baller[/QUOTE]
I misread that as "bowling taunt" and now I'm disappointed.
[editline]1st June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=jechtman;40865878]For some reason I misread bowing as bowling and imagined Leshrac bowling an edict pulse as his taunt.[/QUOTE]
apparently I'm not alone
jesus christ is there a single hero as fun as rubick/tinker
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40868553]jesus christ is there a single hero as fun as rubick/tinker[/QUOTE]
Timbersaw can be
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