[QUOTE=NoShogun;40899199]People need to stop recommending Lion as a newbie hero. He's simple on paper but the concept of his abilities are going to blow newbies' minds, especially if they come from LoL.
You see, lion has two hard CC's and it's SO tempting for new players to SPIIIIKE+hex at the same time, wasting the CC (LoL playing encourages this because nobody has two stuns and in LoL you just spam everything)
Having a 600 damage nuke and not being allowed to kill anyone with it will make 0 sense, and being squishy and super position-reliant isn't going to be fun.[/QUOTE]
Lion can be played as a semicarry if you know how to use exactly 600 -25% damage to kill someone, wasting no damage or time while stunning everyone else.
Also, it's not exactly hard to learn how to not stun+hex at the same time, it's very basic.
The thing that's hard is to abuse spikes, target the right people, and not wasting your ulti to kill someone with 100 hp.
Also tactical mana drain and mana draining the right things very fast so you can quickly return to battle.
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[QUOTE=Chaplin;40899224]Ursa is great for newbies too:
-Little to no mana management
-easy kills in the low bracket
-he's not a mandatory jungler
-you only really need to remember to keep your ult on and to press w to kill
Bloodseeker too, you just gotta know how to last hit and deny[/QUOTE]
They both learn people bad habits including the whole "getting used to playing a shit hero" thing.
pudge is good hero for noobs
[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;40897958][t]http://i.imgur.com/XCV25at.jpg[/t]
I figured out the perfect list for heroes for new players to play since a whole heap of my friends have suddenly picked up the game to play for various reasons and I figured a nice picture would help.
Every other person's list sucks, especially that one guy on Reddit.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't recommend ogre for new players. His skill ceiling is way too high.
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rarara;40898416]Nice, Ursa stomping means your enemies were real good, Lifestealer probably used the super useful jungle right?[/QUOTE]
you are acting like ursa is pure pubstomp
he isn't, really. Calling ursa a bad hero is retarded. He's pretty good, but easy. The most advanced thing an ursa does is smoke to rosh, but still.
Ehh I'm not sure about Ancient Apparition's scepter upgrade. Getting a item worth 4200 gold to increase the duration of his ulti doesn't seem that great.
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Nevermind, I forgot about the regen block thingy
[QUOTE=Suttles;40899762]
he isn't, really. Calling ursa a bad hero is retarded. He's pretty good, but easy. The most advanced thing an ursa does is smoke to rosh, but still.[/QUOTE]
he's such a mediocre mid game carry compared to others
Troll is a much better rosh slayer imo
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;40899807]Ehh I'm not sure abou Ancient Apparition scpeter upgrade. Getting a 4200 item to increase the duration of his ulti doesn't seem that great.[/QUOTE]
17 seconds
NO HEALS
A REALLY ANNOYING DOT
AND SHATTER IF YOU GET LOW.
Bitch please, that sounds great.
Ogre doesnt have a skill ceiling. He has a luck ceiling.
[QUOTE=Suttles;40899762]
you are acting like ursa is pure pubstomp
he isn't, really. Calling ursa a bad hero is retarded. He's pretty good, but easy. The most advanced thing an ursa does is smoke to rosh, but still.[/QUOTE]
I always thought the definition of a pubstomp was someone who stomps pubs but nothing else, like Riki. By that definition, Ursa is a pubstomp. No one in any professional level of Dota would pick up Ursa because he's so easily countered in so many different ways (force, blink, ghost scepter, wards, slows, stuns)
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40899820]Ogre doesnt have a skill ceiling. He has a luck ceiling.[/QUOTE]
Someone doesn't play ogre, he's all skill.
[QUOTE=Suttles;40899813]17 seconds
NO HEALS
A REALLY ANNOYING DOT
AND SHATTER IF YOU GET LOW.
Bitch please, that sounds great.[/QUOTE]
The lvl 3 aghs damage is something ridiculous like 544 damage... add in the 13% shatter threshold and you kill anyone that's ~700 hp.
Literally kills a support across the map when they get hit by an invisible projectile.
It's basically an AoE lion ult on a 60 second cooldown.
Absolutely ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Gbps;40899822]I always thought the definition of a pubstomp was someone who stomps pubs but nothing else, like Riki. By that definition, Ursa is a pubstomp. No one in any professional level of Dota would pick up Ursa because he's so easily countered in so many different ways (force, blink, ghost scepter, wards, slows, stuns)[/QUOTE]
Wisp - ursa has been picked in competitive in the past.
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gbps;40899848]The lvl 3 aghs damage is something ridiculous like 544 damage... add in the 13% shatter threshold and you kill anyone that's ~700 hp.
Literally kills a support across the map when they get hit by an invisible projectile.
It's basically an AoE lion ult on a 60 second cooldown.
Absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
don't forget the burst damage on hit
Also it has a 30 second CD, not 60.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40899820]Ogre doesnt have a skill ceiling. He has a luck ceiling.[/QUOTE]
Obligatory:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/iq3dcym.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Gbps;40899822]I always thought the definition of a pubstomp was someone who stomps pubs but nothing else, like Riki. By that definition, Ursa is a pubstomp. No one in any professional level of Dota would pick up Ursa because he's so easily countered in so many different ways (force, blink, ghost scepter, wards, slows, stuns)[/QUOTE]
Riki has a good teamfight disable (smoke) and extremely high early game damage.
Ursa has extremely high early game damage if people let him hit you 10 times and that's it.
Some guy randomed medusa and then asked me to random and switch. I get CM and we swap. I've never played Medusa before.
We woulda won but then the other 3 clowns on my team picked SF, BH, and Riki. Riki fed top and left right after the "early abandon" part
Medusa's still baller and more people should pick her.
[QUOTE=Suttles;40899875]Wisp - ursa has been picked in competitive in the past.[/QUOTE]
Well, sure. Wisp minimizes the weaknesses of ursa by teleporting him directly into an enemy, giving him a speed buff, attack speed, and a disable.
Ursa without wisp, though, has some problems.
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40900045]Some guy randomed medusa and then asked me to random and switch. I get CM and we swap. I've never played Medusa before.
We woulda won but then the other 3 clowns on my team picked SF, BH, and Riki. Riki fed top and left right after the "early abandon" part
Medusa's still baller and more people should pick her.[/QUOTE]
Farm for 40 minutes while your team feeds and calls gg at 20 minutes because the opponent is 5-manning and they MUST initiate 4v5s whenever possible.
It really is a sad life for medusa.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;40900045]Some guy randomed medusa and then asked me to random and switch. I get CM and we swap. I've never played Medusa before.
.[/QUOTE]
This annoys me, why the fuck do they ask people to random? They keep the random gold, if the other people in the team already picked you will be fucking over your team that way
WOW CLINKZ IS SUCH AN ASSHOLE HOLY FUCK.
I need to play him more.
I've been thinking of trying Spirit Breaker because he is a glowy blue cow and seems pretty neat. What kind of item/skill build should I try?
I've been thinking of something like Treads, Armlet, and Drum. What else would be good on him?
[QUOTE=Prism;40897291]This is the sort of people that should get [B]banned[/B] for a certain amount of time, not just put in to low priority.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I think being com-banned is a much worse fate than low priority.
I was com-banned for yesterday and it was the most frustrating thing in the entire world, I couldn't communicate with my team for shit and I could've prevented a dozen ganks by calling missing... Which clearly isn't possible when com-banned. Last time I played in low-priority, I stomped every single game. It's not really a punishment, and yet people who do worse things end up in the better place, what the fuck is going on here?
Possibly one of Valve's worst decisions regarding the game, ever. We have mute buttons for a reason.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40900333]I could've prevented a dozen ganks by calling missing... Which clearly isn't possible when com-banned.[/QUOTE]
You know what the chat wheel is right?
[QUOTE=Gbps;40900070]
Farm for 40 minutes while your team feeds and calls gg at 20 minutes because the opponent is 5-manning and they MUST initiate 4v5s whenever possible.
It really is a sad life for medusa.[/QUOTE]
That's basically what happened
Except I was forced to lane with Bounty, whose jinada crits out-lasthitted me. But I still managed to do pretty decent.
People in Dota don't know how to play defensively when you have a carry on your team.
[QUOTE=Rarara;40900391]You know what the chat wheel is right?[/QUOTE]
Because that will totally let people know when top or mid (or both) is missing when I'm in the jungle.
Also, I tried all day yesterday, everyone ignored it.
[QUOTE=leonthefox;40900263]This annoys me, why the fuck do they ask people to random? They keep the random gold, if the other people in the team already picked you will be fucking over your team that way[/QUOTE]
This is why I always hit random as soon as I can. I'll only swap if it's something I can't play/someone else really wants and it means the other 4 can respond to what I random.
I can't say what specific hero is missing and where I think he's going, I can't ask for a tango when I'm low, I can't tell them that my ult is down and if you initiate now you'll just murder yourselves (and they [i]still[/i] blame me), I can't do anything to help my team when com-banned. It turns people into a lone-wolf, and that's NOT what the game is about.
Randomed and played Wisp for the first time. How'd I do?
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/211024779[/url]
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40900547]Because that will totally let people know when top or mid (or both) is missing when I'm in the jungle.
Also, I tried all day yesterday, everyone ignored it.[/QUOTE]
Not your fault/problem then. Whoever's in that lane should call missing and if he's not doing that your team has bigger problems than you not being able to call missing on specific lanes.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;40900489]I really hope we get Abaddon this week. He is so aggressive and cool.[/QUOTE]
Are we going to even get a patch this week? We got 6.78 parity plus some small things yesterday, I hope so
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40900575]Not your fault/problem then. Whoever's in that lane should call missing and if he's not doing that your team has bigger problems than you not being able to call missing on specific lanes.[/QUOTE]
It's still good to let your team know. If I happen to see Dire's mid going up into Dire jungle to gank top I'll ping where I just saw him and continue playing.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;40900489]I really hope we get Abaddon this week. He is so aggressive and cool.[/QUOTE]
I just want legion commander finally :c
[QUOTE=Naught;40900712]I just want legion commander finally :c[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;40900489]I really hope we get Abaddon this week. He is so aggressive and cool.[/QUOTE]
I want Soul keeper to show life signals :v:
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