[QUOTE=ironman17;40913272]Say, here's a little question; if you have a Bracer in your build, should you always build that into Drums if no-one else has Drums yet, regardless of whether or not Drums is in your build, or should you just sell it later when you want to build something else? 'cause whenever the builds request I build a Bracer, I feel compelled to build it into Drums, since the boost to attack speed and movespeed is good for everyone.[/QUOTE]
the point of drums is the chunk of stats it gived in the one slot, its much more efficient then a pair of bracers when you need to divy up slots. every squishy hero needs a drum/ghost scepter, especially slow heroes like CM need a drum
[QUOTE=ironman17;40913272]Say, here's a little question; if you have a Bracer in your build, should you always build that into Drums if no-one else has Drums yet, regardless of whether or not Drums is in your build, or should you just sell it later when you want to build something else? 'cause whenever the builds request I build a Bracer, I feel compelled to build it into Drums, since the boost to attack speed and movespeed is good for everyone.[/QUOTE]
Drums are unique, because they provide similar stats to that of Ultimate Orb, but with simple buildup and at cheaper price.
The problem of "Do I upgrade or do I sell?" is the question of your need for item slots :
If you are not going to fill that item slot with anything useful right away, keeping that Bracer is fine.
If you are still not going to fill that item slot with anything else and you need some more stats, especially if it's early or you are a bit starved, Bracer -> Drums is efficient and argument of "wasted aura" is really moot, given how it's very minimal, and more drums on the field = more Active uses possible, for example in a row or over all.
That's the reason I hate drums personally. They are too awesome item to passup on too many occassions, as a squishy support, as a successful ganker, as a carry who wants some early game, as initiator who needs early meat, etc. And there are not really any alternatives.
Vanguard doesn't provide INT and is much higher price-wise. Wraith band and Null Talisman both build up into items that don't give such good mix of stats (STR and INT, hp and mana). Point Booster has no easy buildup, gives raw hp&mana (no damage, no actual stats, etc) and items he is used in are also much-later tier.
Just try and show me a tournament match where there were no Drums. Mekanism, Pipe, those items get a free pass (and hopefully more items like them in the future) because they are crucial and have clutch-use principle. You don't waste Mekanism charge, you don't blow pipe for no reason. Drums are just "there" as a cheap, efficient fill-em-up, and while it's good to have it, there should be alternatives or incentives to not just go drums, but maybe try and get Atos, Force Staff, etc.
[QUOTE=Nestophales;40913384]That's not an argument but ok guy.
Valve already said fuck the art style in Dota 2 before[/QUOTE]
Please show me the source.
[QUOTE=Nestophales;40913384]
if you think TF2 hasn't strayed away from it's art style then you are clinically insane.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks, but I never intended to say that.
I said that the art direction of TF2 (being a comic styled game) is less
likely to be completely destroyed by adding some unfitting stuff like lasers than Dota 2.
Yes, the original art direction is gone, since so many items have been added to the game,
but I also say that Dota 2 won't be hit like this so quickly, since it's not a comic game from the start.
Valve didn't even put in most Polycount winner items, since they didn't fit to the art direction.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;40909982]Holy christ I just had a strange game as Apparition, where QoP abandoned about 15 minutes in but their team pushed us back for another 40-odd minutes. Spectre accidentally got 1 or 2 kills on her ulti. Still, it ended nicely.
[t]http://puu.sh/38QpC.png[/t]
omg omg omg[/QUOTE]
Oh, wow! I remember when I got that exact same vice. It gave me incentive to play Brew.
Then in the game right after I got the matching mythical flail. :v:
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40913194]except for medusa but she was already a garbage hero
dagon is for good heroes only[/QUOTE]
Medusa IS kind of... ew.
But I'm not one to sit in lane all day and farm while shit goes down except for when I'm Alchemist.
The only reason I like Medusa is because of mystic snake.
I barely had a Linken's, I spammed Mystic Snake in a teamfight, BOOM ultra kill.
Medusa is bad because her ability to carry relies in her split arrow doing massive damage and having massive amounts of farm, but since there's a damage reduction and large time cost to farm anything up it's not really worth it. There's other heroes that can do more in less time. Gyrocopter's flak cannon for instance.
[quote=Zoran]
The only reason I like Medusa is because of mystic snake.
I barely had a Linken's, I spammed Mystic Snake in a teamfight, BOOM ultra kill.
[/quote]
Mystic snakes is a great ability but that's not going to win her the game, she needs rare damage and even with her ult being buffed I don't really think it's enough to see her being viable.
Medusa to the proscene is just food for the anti mage
A little bit of a off-topic question guys :
On Twitch.Tv I get message that I have to be connect account to the Facebook in order to send messages. Messages still appear, so here's question : Do I have to do that or is it optional ? As in am I still on the viewer's list ,can I still chat and what-not ?
[QUOTE=Ike;40913312]i do the same with the wand, so yeah[/QUOTE]
Too true; that extra boost of energy can be super-handy in a pinch.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;40913359]Nice argument.
I'm talking about items like this: [url]http://i.imgur.com/k5jLU.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh trust me, they will. Soon or later they will.
For example, they are already soft with the couriers, look at one of the original Valve courier:
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/7/7f/Enduring_War_Dog.png[/img]
and now look at the last community made courier
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/5/50/Cosmetic_icon_Itsy.png[/img]
and then look at the last Valve made courier
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/e/e8/Cosmetic_icon_Smeevil.png[/img]
Big difference isn't?
[QUOTE==DarkStar=;40913775]Oh trust me, they will. Soon or later they will.
For example, they are already soft with the couriers, look at one of the original Valve courier:
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/7/7f/Enduring_War_Dog.png[/img]
and now look at the last community made courier
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/5/50/Cosmetic_icon_Itsy.png[/img]
and then look at the last Valve made courier
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/e/e8/Cosmetic_icon_Smeevil.png[/img]
Big difference isn't?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/f/f2/Stumpy_-_Nature's_Attendant.png[/img]
It's a fucking tree stump.
But...itsy kind of fits.
The fucking bear courier that just came out with the goggles on SHOULD be removed. That's so fucking unfitting and trash
[QUOTE=Rarara;40913825][img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/f/f2/Stumpy_-_Nature's_Attendant.png[/img]
It's a fucking tree stump.[/QUOTE]
And it's the best fucking courier in the game. Fuck you, dude.
[QUOTE=Suttles;40913842]But...itsy kind of fits.
The fucking bear courier that just came out with the goggles on SHOULD be removed. That's so fucking unfitting and trash[/QUOTE]
A shitload of couriers should be remove but hey, people love cute lil animals so is not going to happen anytime soon.
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;40913724]Medusa is bad because her ability to carry relies in her split arrow doing massive damage and having massive amounts of farm, but since there's a damage reduction and large time cost to farm anything up it's not really worth it. There's other heroes that can do more in less time. Gyrocopter's flak cannon for instance.
Mystic snakes is a great ability but that's not going to win her the game, she needs rare damage and even with her ult being buffed I don't really think it's enough to see her being viable.[/QUOTE]
No, I know, but none of her skills are single-handedly going to win the game for her. I like the interesting concepts that are yielded from her skills nonetheless.
[QUOTE==DarkStar=;40913160]I know is a very bad idea but, who can get arround with a dagon for shits and giggles? (and I mean lvl 3-4 dagon)[/QUOTE]
i like it on sd
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40913194]except for medusa but she was already a garbage hero
dagon is for good heroes only[/QUOTE]
Garbage hero?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/cVpoYQs.png[/img]
You've just never had a good Medusa game.
Squeeee, Alliance just picked up AA against Quantic. I can't stop smiling. I love AA so much and I'm really excited to see him in a serious comp match
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/tobiwandota]It's on Tobi's stream right now[/url]
Medusa require a team with a brain since she require an extremly high ammount of farm to become a true carry.
It's therfor easier for the enemy carry/ies to farm up and win before she's ready.
Most of the time someone picks medusa I assume it will be a defeat
"Don't worry I know how to farm" proceed to get a 30-40 mins linkens and keep being useless
and is not just knowing how to farm, but your team keeping map control for her to have a place to right click stuff
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40913980]Garbage hero?
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cVpoYQs.png[/IMG]
You've just never had a good Medusa game.[/QUOTE]
except that game was longer than 40 minutes, which is when most of the carries have already dominated the game to the point of no return
I played 2 Single Draft matches and in both of them i got Sven
[URL="http://dotabuff.com/matches/212361934"]http://dotabuff.com/matches/212361934[/URL]
[URL="http://dotabuff.com/matches/212395474"]http://dotabuff.com/matches/212395474[/URL]
I completly forgot that he can wreck so much shit
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;40914134]except that game was longer than 40 minutes, which is when most of the carries have already dominated the game to the point of no return[/QUOTE]
also doing well and freefarming has nothing to do with the strength of the hero
[QUOTE=ProgramFiles;40914053]Medusa require a team with a brain since she require an extremly high ammount of farm to become a true carry.
It's therfor easier for the enemy carry/ies to farm up and win before she's ready.[/QUOTE]
You just need to have teammates who know what they're doing and Medusa can have a very active mid game.
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;40914134]except that game was longer than 40 minutes, which is when most of the carries have already dominated the game to the point of no return[/QUOTE]
The game was exactly 40 minutes, nice evaluation smartass.
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;40914134]except that game was longer than 40 minutes, which is when most of the carries have already dominated the game to the point of no return[/QUOTE]
ok so every carry is a garbage hero because they need 40 minutes of farm to activate?
[QUOTE=nmagain;40914353]ok so every carry is a garbage hero because they need 40 minutes of farm to activate?[/QUOTE]
Why do you think there are more mid game carries than late game, and why do you think most games don't go late game? You can't expect the game to last as long as you'd like regardless of the actions of your teammates. But that isn't why Medusa is bad in her role.
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[QUOTE==DarkStar=;40913775]Oh trust me, they will. Soon or later they will.
For example, they are already soft with the couriers, look at one of the original Valve courier:
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/7/7f/Enduring_War_Dog.png[/img]
and now look at the last community made courier
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/5/50/Cosmetic_icon_Itsy.png[/img]
and then look at the last Valve made courier
[img]http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/e/e8/Cosmetic_icon_Smeevil.png[/img]
Big difference isn't?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://media.steampowered.com/apps/570/icons/econ/items/courier/g1_courier/g1_courier.1b2fa3262dc5e150203367fa74a8604c01396f9f.png[/img]
I have no problem with a few couriers being cute.
[QUOTE=nmagain;40913351]medusa isnt garbage devon just sucks LOL[/QUOTE]
well i got matched up with a rubick that said "i not buy wards u buy" and i'm still in normal bracket so obviously this is the case
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