french people are purple
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true facts
But really, where does purple = french?
If so, Barney is french as hell.
Can someone explain to me how Zeus is balanced relative to other pure nukers? He deals the most damage per second compared to every other nuker in the game (bar Tinker w/ rearm and Pugna w/ life drain) and deals it in a huge aoe. Just asking.
Squishy and no escape mechanism. If you want, you can go shadow blade, but that doesn't help much and delays getting agh/refresher.
[QUOTE=mochisushi;40949256]Can someone explain to me how Zeus is balanced relative to other pure nukers? He deals the most damage per second compared to every other nuker in the game (bar Tinker w/ rearm and Pugna w/ life drain) and deals it in a huge aoe. Just asking.[/QUOTE]
he's made out of marmite and his spells are close range/single target.
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;40918393]OD benefits the most from Skadi in my opinion. By stacking Skadis eventually you get to the point where you have so much mana that Mana Shield can't burn most of it. OD on the other hand benefits from all the stats, as none of them get redundant, ever.[/QUOTE]
Rod of atos?
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[QUOTE=Niven;40949277]Squishy and no escape mechanism. If you want, you can go shadow blade, but that doesn't help much and delays getting agh/refresher.[/QUOTE]
"Relative to other pure nukers" Zeus's strength gain is 2.3, Lina's is 1.5. I did say relative.
A lot other nukers tend to be fast
Zeus is slow and has a really long turn rate
Crystal Maiden of course ruins everything by being slow and squishy
[QUOTE=mochisushi;40949256]Can someone explain to me how Zeus is balanced relative to other pure nukers? He deals the most damage per second compared to every other nuker in the game (bar Tinker w/ rearm and Pugna w/ life drain) and deals it in a huge aoe. Just asking.[/QUOTE]
He's not balanced-
He's one of the worst heroes in the game IMO. His nukes are nice, but one's single target and does nothing but sheer damage (and sight, but that's very situational) and the other does very little damage. When Lightning Bolt is on cooldown, he does nothing but sit there and feel like a moron spamming Q because he has what is arguably the worst rightclicking power in the entire game. Literally all you can do is press Q and W. This means he scales HIDEOUSLY, and frankly he's not even that great early game. I feel like Arc Lightning was supposed to be a substitute for his right click, but by the time he has the mana to spam that thoughtlessly it has become obsolete. I'm fairly sure very few people play him for anything other than his Ult. Zeus might be decent if Arc Lightning cost less mana and he had any sort of disable or slow.
Compare this to Lina. She has a straight up AoE Nuke that deals fair damage. She has an AoE nuke with a stun to actually hold people still, and she her passive gives her some reasonable rightclick power while her other abilities are on cooldown.
Why can you deny doomed heroes? I thought doom was one of the few dots that didn't let you deny the hero. If they're DOOOMED to die, why can you prevent it by killing them?
[QUOTE=dire_luck;40949357]Why can you deny doomed heroes? I thought doom was one of the few dots that didn't let you deny the hero. If they're DOOOMED to die, why can you prevent it by killing them?[/QUOTE]
The only two dots I know for a fact that cannot be denied is Battle hunger, venomancer ult, and maledict. I think AA ult is the same too but I'm not sure though.
[QUOTE=leonthefox;40948584]Warlock isn't blooded or something, I think axe or disruptor mention it on some of their lines[/QUOTE]
I always held a theory that the more magically inclined an Oglodi, the lighter their skin color. This is why Axe is a deep red, with no magical powers, Disruptor is a lighter purple, as he has magical power, but is still physically strong too, and then Warlock and Lifestealer, both crafty wizards, have white skin.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40949391]The only two dots I know for a fact that cannot be denied is Battle hunger, venomancer ult, and maledict. I think AA ult is the same too but I'm not sure though.[/QUOTE]
The only way AA ult can be denied is by things like Slark's Dark Pact and Pudge's rot. If the damage they do to themselves bring them under the damage threshold for death it counts as a deny.
[QUOTE=ned_ballad;40949392]I always held a theory that the more magically inclined an Oglodi, the lighter their skin color. This is why Axe is a deep red, with no magical powers, Disruptor is a lighter purple, as he has magical power, but is still physically strong too, and then Warlock and Lifestealer, both crafty wizards, have white skin.[/QUOTE]
Lifestealer (presumably) wasn't a wizard though. A wizard infested lifestealer's body and mind, but nothing indicates lifestealer was originally a wizard himself as far as I know.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;40949391]The only two dots I know for a fact that cannot be denied is Battle hunger, venomancer ult, and maledict. I think AA ult is the same too but I'm not sure though.[/QUOTE]
I knew veno ult and maledict were undenyable, but I thought doom was too.
It seems inconsistent with the theme of doom, like that when it goes on you you're now [i]DOOOMED[/i] to die to [i]Doom[/i]bringer.
[QUOTE=Vault;40945282][IMG]http://puu.sh/3aRqn.png[/IMG]
5th chat I've had today where this happened[/QUOTE]
This same guy sent me a friend request, I just haven't accepted. I've had a huge influx of requests for my timebreaker recently. :v:
[QUOTE=ned_ballad;40949392]I always held a theory that the more magically inclined an Oglodi, the lighter their skin color. This is why Axe is a deep red, with no magical powers, Disruptor is a lighter purple, as he has magical power, but is still physically strong too, and then Warlock and Lifestealer, both crafty wizards, have white skin.[/QUOTE]
Humans = Light skin, darker skin, etc
then
Oglodi =/= Red, but different types of red. Also, it makes sense than warrior has a darker skin (especially if they use almost no armor) as they are more exposed to the sun (think about it working as the human skin, more sun = darker). So Axe and Disruptor, both more warrior-ish have a darker red, while Warlock (being in a library and such for long time and those cloth don't let you skin recieve that much sun) and Lifestealer (as he was in a prision for a really long time period he could have lost that darker red tone of his skin, being away from the sun for that time) would both have a light red skin.
This is my theory
there's no indication Undying is an Oglodi. He doesn't really have any of the Oglodi features like that nose and a warmer color palette.
I think if they'd intended Undying to be related to them, they would have made it more obvious. Looking back on Lifestealer, we didn't know he was one, but now it's pretty obvious they always meant him to be because of that nose and his eyes.
[QUOTE=ned_ballad;40949565]there's no indication Undying is an Oglodi. He doesn't really have any of the Oglodi features like that nose and a warmer color palette.
I think if they'd intended Undying to be related to them, they would have made it more obvious. Looking back on Lifestealer, we didn't know he was one, but now it's pretty obvious they always meant him to be because of that nose and his eyes.[/QUOTE]
I knew people will focus the Undying part :P Just added it becasue some people considered it. Taking it out then.
Geez, I even wrote the "possible", and still grabs the whole attention hahaha
[QUOTE=dire_luck;40949357]Why can you deny doomed heroes? I thought doom was one of the few dots that didn't let you deny the hero. If they're DOOOMED to die, why can you prevent it by killing them?[/QUOTE]
Considering Doom fucks you over no matter what, I think it's fair it's a deniable DoT
Another little theory completely unrelated with Legion commander and Abbadon. In Tresdin's lore it said she fought some demon made of mist and armor right? Abbadon's voice lines involve him talking about mist, and looking at his recent textures I see no skin, only armor. So could Abbadon and Legion have some sort of conflict? then again she killed the demon I think so that stomps on my idea, but this is the land of doto people respawn right? If I am late apologies.
Yea, I'm rather curious about that as well, it may have been not that exact demon, but I get a feeling they're related somehow.
[QUOTE=Gilgadood;40949649]Another little theory completely unrelated with Legion commander and Abbadon. In Tresdin's lore it said she fought some demon made of mist and armor right? Abbadon's voice lines involve him talking about mist, and looking at his recent textures I see no skin, only armor. So could Abbadon and Legion have some sort of conflict? then again she killed the demon I think so that stomps on my idea, but this is the land of doto people respawn right? If I am late apologies.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Abbadon's living on [I]borrowed time[/I] ?
[QUOTE=mochisushi;40949256]Can someone explain to me how Zeus is balanced relative to other pure nukers? He deals the most damage per second compared to every other nuker in the game (bar Tinker w/ rearm and Pugna w/ life drain) and deals it in a huge aoe. Just asking.[/QUOTE]
As it's been said, he is literally walking damage and is prone to dying just from people looking at him.
To be honest I'd trade away some of his damage for some other benefits, like a less shitty turn rate and less shitty autoattack.
[QUOTE=Bryceanater;40948623]Honestly im getting a french feel from this model.
Uh HO, Ze like my hook pudge?[/QUOTE]
If he's French then why does he wield rockets and dangerous hooks?
He also has metal armor, scary stuff.
[QUOTE=Keychain;40949734]As it's been said, he is literally walking damage and is prone to dying just from people looking at him.
To be honest I'd trade away some of his damage for some other benefits, like a less shitty turn rate and less shitty autoattack.[/QUOTE]
Zeus attacks at the speed of lightning, what are you talking about?
[QUOTE=mochisushi;40949256]Can someone explain to me how Zeus is balanced relative to other pure nukers? He deals the most damage per second compared to every other nuker in the game (bar Tinker w/ rearm and Pugna w/ life drain) and deals it in a huge aoe. Just asking.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, Zeus is probably one of the worst heroes in the game. No stun, not very useful in teamfights and Sniper can fill his role at killing fleeing enemies without all the bad things about Zeus.
[QUOTE=MaxisOp;40949965]Zeus attacks at the speed of lightning, what are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
Only if the lightning has arthritis and a broken hip :v:
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[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;40949974]In my opinion, Zeus is probably one of the worst heroes in the game. No stun, not very useful in teamfights and Sniper can fill his role at killing fleeing enemies without all the bad things about Zeus.[/QUOTE]
He's not great, but he does do well in certain lineups where he's able to burn through people's HP. He actually has a surprisingly high win rate in the upper brackets.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;40949974]In my opinion, Zeus is probably one of the worst heroes in the game. No stun, not very useful in teamfights and Sniper can fill his role at killing fleeing enemies without all the bad things about Zeus.[/QUOTE]
But compared to a lot of intelligence heroes (with the exception of heroes like Outworld and Silencer) he scales fairly decently into lategame because of his E. He has his own role to fulfill and that's dealing a fuckton of damage, nothing more, nothing less. It's not a bad role, it's just there are better and safer options.
You get a Zeus with Agh's, Refresher, and Veil of Discord and he'll fuck up teamfights in ways no other intel hero can.
I think they should increase Zeus ulti damage by 25 at all levels and make arc lightning apply 20% slow.
And increase his turnrate.
Maybe make lightning stun for 0,25 seconds like Snipers headshot.
The autoattack can stay as the worst autoattack of Dota as long as he has the ability to not die instantly to everything.
Oh
my
god
Just played huskar.
He is nearly indestructable against magic teams. qop ultied right on top of me, and I got no damage. Their whole team was on top of me with magic and bla bla bla, and I only died in the end after taking damage from just about anyone and anything, after killing like 3 or 4.
I must thank my team aswell. Omni saved me many times back there. Fucking awesome game.
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