Dota 2 General Chat XXV - Emergency OP

[Tiesieman]

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;41052837]His spells have higher manacosts early on, longer duration for his hex but a slightly longer cd.[/QUOTE]

Plus he has like on of the best nukes in the game (for pushing)
320 damage that hits multiple people on low cooldown

[Shibbey]

[QUOTE=Constructor;41054811][IMG]http://puu.sh/3gT8u/cb89ca632a.png[/IMG]
:I[/QUOTE]

Can't win 'em all.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/HW0GNMr.png[/img]

[Clio]

why do all the bads/retards play carries?

[Maxumym]

[QUOTE=Clio;41054917]why do all the bads/retards play carries?[/QUOTE]

Because they are too retarded for "don't take last hits" support-style play or "don't farm and kill people" ganker-style play. But then again, they usually tend to be horrible at last-hitting too.

[Gar~]

because all carrying is is last hitting, then right clicking a bunch of people at the end, and you can feel good about yourself

[BuffaloBill]

[QUOTE=Clio;41054917]why do all the bads/retards play carries?[/QUOTE]

Because carries get the glory. Almost nobody notices the supports doing well, and they are usually gold-starved so it's a lot more difficult as well.

[Rawbutbull]

[QUOTE=Shibbey;41054882]Can't win 'em all.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/HW0GNMr.png[/img][/QUOTE]

Amen.
[img]http://puu.sh/3gUBp.png[/img]

[Belivo]

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;41055052]Because carries get the glory. Almost nobody notices the supports doing well, and they are usually gold-starved so it's a lot more difficult as well.[/QUOTE]

There was a Luna once who went 26/1/*something*, she had full build, she dominated teamfights and carried the game with her pushing and teamfight damage.
Meanwhile, Treant gave her 3 kills from towerdives on both ways, Enigma on her team TP'd to her lane whenever she got ganked to use Blackhole on all of them to save her ass.
Enigma landed amazing Blackholes each fight, which Treant followed up with his ult after hole ran out.
Treant saved her ass multiple times when she was farming in an extended lane, sacrafising himself to save Luna from dying and from losing her Rapier.

But of course, Luna got all the glory because she was the carry, Enigma and Treant were shit and did nothing the entire game because they're the supports.

[Gar~]

[QUOTE=Rawbutbull;41055099]Amen.
[img]http://puu.sh/3gUBp.png[/img][/QUOTE]

I remember speccing you that game :V

[That Sprite]

[QUOTE=Clio;41054917]why do all the bads/retards play carries?[/QUOTE]

My guess is they see videos like dotacinema top 10 or epic kill montage videos and all think "holy shit, this is awesome, I want to be in these videos"

So they pick heroes they can't play at all and proceed to absolutely suck.

[FlashMarsh]

[QUOTE=Rawbutbull;41055099]Amen.
[img]http://puu.sh/3gUBp.png[/img][/QUOTE]

This always happens to me as OD. Not quite as extreme, but still

[Robbobin]

What boggles my mind is all of the absurd builds people [I]always[/I] use. Every time I see a BF bounty hunter or a MoM-first void, a huge part of me dies. Just basic understanding of the role your hero should have completely eludes most players in my tier.

[Ghosevil]

[QUOTE=Gar~;41055015]because all carrying is is last hitting, then right clicking a bunch of people at the end, and you can feel good about yourself[/QUOTE]

-dealing with your weakness in the early game
-buying the right items at the right time
-killing the right heroes at the right time
-staying alive and keeping up the right amount of farm

Do you just casually attack the nearest enemy hero when you play dota?

[coup]

[QUOTE=maxumym;41054788]TBH, 4v5 is perfectly winnable even without microing, the bonus gold makes the difference.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, an extra 1 gold every 5 seconds! That means that I get a whole whopping [b]10GPM[/b]!
No, it really doesn't.

Also, that game was 3v5.
[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Clio;41054917]why do all the bads/retards play carries?[/QUOTE]

Most of the ones I see play supports (or Pudge). They never buy wards, only know how to single-pull, and they feed like mad all throughout the game. Whenever I see a good support, I immediately commend once the match is over, regardless if we won or lost. They're just so rare.

[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]

Then again, good carry players are ALSO very hard to find...

I think we can conclude with saying the vast majority of people who play DotA are fucking terrible at it.

[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=ghosevil;41055320]-dealing with your weakness in the early game
-buying the right items at the right time
-killing the right heroes at the right time
-staying alive and keeping up the right amount of farm

Do you just casually attack the nearest enemy hero when you play dota?[/QUOTE]

Carries have their own problems just like supports. Instead of having little gold to deal with, you have a lot, and you need to decide what item build in what order depending on your team, the enemy team, what your team is building, and what the enemy team is building. There's a lot of forethought that needs to go into each item. Positioning is key too, because if you die at the wrong time/place, then the game ends right there. If a support dies, it's not a huge deal, so it's more forgiving.

[That Sprite]

Also, I've been thinking about something lately.

Is it really worth always levelling Enigma's ult at level 11 early on?

I mean, nothing improves but the damage (which isnt the point of blackhole) and a whopping 10 second cooldown reduction, and costs 100 extra mana. And usually I get mana issues at this point in the game because all of enigma's spells cost a lot of mana, so I really don't need my ultimate to cost 350. Would it be worth it to delay levelling it up further until later in the game?

[NoShogun]

[QUOTE=ThatSprite;41055375]Also, I've been thinking about something lately.

Is it really worth always levelling Enigma's ult at level 11 early on?

I mean, nothing improves but the damage (which isnt the point of blackhole) and a whopping 10 second cooldown reduction, and costs 100 extra mana. And usually I get mana issues at this point in the game because all of enigma's spells cost a lot of mana, so I really don't need my ultimate to cost 350. Would it be worth it to delay levelling it up further until later in the game?[/QUOTE]

That may not be a terrible idea. As long as your teammates have damage to follow up the black hole with, then there's not much of a reason to level it up further, I guess.

[FlashMarsh]

Last match, what the actual fuck

Faceless Void says he's jungling. I say that's stupid. Nobody calls missing so there are continuous 4 on 2 ganks in my lane, the only lane we were winning. At 22 minutes, the void had brown boots, no Midas, no Battle Fury and he rushed Mask of Madness. We lost soon after.

[Shibbey]

[QUOTE=ThatSprite;41055375]Also, I've been thinking about something lately.

Is it really worth always levelling Enigma's ult at level 11 early on?

I mean, nothing improves but the damage (which isnt the point of blackhole) and a whopping 10 second cooldown reduction, and costs 100 extra mana. And usually I get mana issues at this point in the game because all of enigma's spells cost a lot of mana, so I really don't need my ultimate to cost 350. Would it be worth it to delay levelling it up further until later in the game?[/QUOTE]

If you plan on going refresher, the general consensus is to get stats over additional levels of ulty, or you'll lose all your mana.

[Maruhai]

[QUOTE=Shibbey;41054882]Can't win 'em all.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/HW0GNMr.png[/img][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/3gXCe.jpg[/IMG]
rip

[coup]

[QUOTE=Maruhai;41055792][IMG]http://puu.sh/3gXCe.jpg[/IMG]
rip[/QUOTE]

[i]How?[/i]

No really, did the enemy team have a Faceless Void or something?

[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]

[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/59448754[/url]

Oh, your team fed besides you and Suttles and the enemy team had a Razor. Ouch.

[sir whoopsalot]

[QUOTE=Rawbutbull;41055099]Amen.
[img]http://puu.sh/3gUBp.png[/img][/QUOTE]

I want a match id for that.

NOW!

[coup]

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41055952]I want a match id for that.

NOW![/QUOTE]

It says it right there.

[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/176955066[/url]

[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]

Holy shit, looking at it, that game was entirely thrown. Tuskar and Sven lost you that game so hard.

[sir whoopsalot]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;41055997]It says it right there.

[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/176955066[/url]

[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]

Holy shit, looking at it, that game was entirely thrown. Tuskar and Sven lost you that game so hard.[/QUOTE]

Holy fucking dicks, almost 2 hours.

[Rarara]

[QUOTE=Clio;41054917]why do all the bads/retards play carries?[/QUOTE]

Because they don't want to sacrifice themselves for the team as a support.
They don't have the skill to play a good initiator/ganker.
And they think carry = instant win easy mode.

[editline]16th June 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Robbobin;41055314]What boggles my mind is all of the absurd builds people [I]always[/I] use. Every time I see a BF bounty hunter or a MoM-first void, a huge part of me dies. Just basic understanding of the role your hero should have completely eludes most players in my tier.[/QUOTE]

The worst is people who NEVER GET SHURIKEN.
I mean, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
2 points is all you need if you hate shuriken THAT much, it will give you more than one kill early on so not getting it is the EPITOME OF RETARD.
They max jinada first and invis second and completely ignore shuriken.

[Tokagero]

[QUOTE=Robbobin;41055314]What boggles my mind is all of the absurd builds people [I]always[/I] use. Every time I see a BF bounty hunter or a MoM-first void, a huge part of me dies. Just basic understanding of the role your hero should have completely eludes most players in my tier.[/QUOTE]

Now, Mask of Madness has it's place. The way you want to use is utilise passive lifesteal for regen and when it's active, use full blown attack speed buff and avoid taking damage due to amplified damage intake.

Now, what's best for utilising attack speed to it's fullest ? = Disable that keeps people in 1 place.
Now, what's best for avoiding taking damage ? = Many things, like evasion, resistance or disabling potential harm-doers.

Blackhole disables + keeps in place + Void has Backtrack to at least somewhat offset damage he takes + Timelock synergises perfectly with attack speed.

It's not perfect item, but if you are not going for regen from Battlefury as Void, Mask of Madness is more one-sided combat subsidiary. Sure, it can backfire, but there's edge you can abuse , especially as Faceless Void.

[Lexi]

Why is there no item that can purge stuff off of you?

[That Sprite]

[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;41056478]Why is there no item that can purge stuff off of you?[/QUOTE]

diffusal

[Lexi]

[QUOTE=ThatSprite;41056480]diffusal[/QUOTE]

Wait, it works on you? I thought it just purged stuff off the enemy.

[Tokagero]

[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;41056506]Wait, it works on you? I thought it just purged stuff off the enemy.[/QUOTE]

You, ally, enemy, creep. I think it even works on Rosh.

[Rarara]

[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;41056506]Wait, it works on you? I thought it just purged stuff off the enemy.[/QUOTE]

It also instagibs infernals.