jesus
the most common bloodseeker build doesn't even take bloodrage before level 10 despite its new ridiculous purge as well as the fact that it's a silence and its first level has a shitty steroid that won't make using it on an enemy complete suicide
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;41101090]QWEEER build is the best Lion build. Let's you spam SPIIIIKE and hex with impunity while suppressing your lane opponent's abilities to do anything.[/QUOTE]
QWEER is a ineffective, pub only build where you trade off ~4 seconds of disable to have (somewhat)better lane presence in the first 6 minutes of the game.
Maxing Q then W is optimal
It's a pretty qweer build if you ask me
i hate being on a long lose streak, i feel like crying
why do you do this valve
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/223473753[/url]
Friend randoms Warlock.
Enemy logic: "Hmm, what counters Warlock? I know, Meepo!"
Yeah that went well.
Maxing hex and earth spike first leaves you mana starved, or at least capable of using the spells a lot less, compared to get a point or two of mana drain. Perhaps in some trilane scenarios, where kills are much more valuable and you need every little bit of disable and damage, then yeah, max them.
But for the most part you will be able to stun so much more, have full mana to use your ult, and get another tool to help lane, with mana drain early on.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;41100501]i play all heroes without bias
my most played hero has only 37 games[/QUOTE]
I feel the same way, except I've always had an affection for intelligence heroes (or heroes that enjoy spamming spells, which is probably why Undying is my second most played). It just feels so nice killing someone with Tinker's rockets or someone else's spell or Necro's ult instead of just right clicking them to death.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;41101090]QWEEER build is the best Lion build. Let's you spam SPIIIIKE and hex with impunity while suppressing your lane opponent's abilities to do anything.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it lets you spam an Earthspike that does 60 damage
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You can't not max Q first. The rest are debatable, but the damage on Q is kittens
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;41101090]QWEEER build is the best Lion build. Let's you spam SPIIIIKE and hex with impunity while suppressing your lane opponent's abilities to do anything.[/QUOTE]
I usually go QEQEQEQE with finger in there or WEWEWEWE, or if I want to be a super asshole QEEQE, depending on the situation. Mana Drain is fucking GOD TIER and now that the range and break range got buffed in 6.78 its even better. Roam around and gank, you take away certain characters mana and they are dead
Faceless Void? Fucking dead(unless backtrack'd but fuck that shit)
Antimage? Fucking dead
Phantom Assassin? Fucking dead
Mirana? Fucking dead
QoP? Fucking dead
Naix? Fucking dead
Timbersaw? Ultra dead
Crystal Maiden? Finger'd to death
[QUOTE=Terin7;41101592]Maxing hex and earth spike first leaves you mana starved, or at least capable of using the spells a lot less, compared to get a point or two of mana drain. Perhaps in some trilane scenarios, where kills are much more valuable and you need every little bit of disable and damage, then yeah, max them.
But for the most part you will be able to stun so much more, have full mana to use your ult, and get another tool to help lane, with mana drain early on.[/QUOTE]
prism was arguing against maxing mana drain first (all four levels asap), you're only saying to get one or two points, you are basically arguing for something you don't visibly believe in
one point is all you should go for early on anyway, the other skills are much more important
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;41101682]Yeah it lets you spam an Earthspike that does 60 damage
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You can't not max Q first. The rest are debatable, but the damage on Q is kittens[/QUOTE]
Free multi-target 60 damage on top of a 1 second stun every 12 seconds along with being able to drain enemy's mana at level 2 is bad? What?
If you have a good lane combo you can disregard Hex for a little bit and have a free 200 nuke with a 2 second stun every 12 seconds by level 5.
[QUOTE=Ignoritus;41101834]Free multi-target 60 damage on top of a 1 second stun every 12 seconds along with being able to drain enemy's mana at level 2 is bad? What?
If you have a good lane combo you can disregard Hex for a little bit and have a free 200 nuke with a 2 second stun every 12 seconds by level 5.[/QUOTE]
Do you realize how little 60 damage for a nuke is? Stuns are great and all but you need to actually be able to KILL PEOPLE
[QUOTE=Ignoritus;41101834]Free multi-target 60 damage on top of a 1 second stun every 12 seconds along with being able to drain enemy's mana at level 2 is bad? What?
If you have a good lane combo you can disregard Hex for a little bit and have a free 200 nuke with a 2 second stun every 12 seconds by level 5.[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting that SPIKES increases the stun duration incrementally with each level, along with increasing the damage.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;41101847]Do you realize how little 60 damage for a nuke is? Stuns are great and all but you need to actually be able to KILL PEOPLE[/QUOTE]
Thats what his ult is for, though you shouldn't be killing people as Lion. Spike is great when babysitting a carry in the safe lane. Yea the dmg is eh, but then you get 3-5 free right clicks or you can drain the mana of a hero. If you are solo Lion you can also use it to last hit if it's too dangerous to approach the creep wave and you get free mana from range creeps with drain's massive range. There isn't a right way to skill Lion, he's a versatile support like CM, Lesh, and Rhasta. You skill them according to what you will be going up against and what heroes you have on your team.
what time does the test client usually update?
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;41100501]i play all heroes without bias
my most played hero has only 37 games[/QUOTE]
when i first started playing the game i picked nothing but lich and treant
to this day they are still my most popular heroes, even though it's a year later and i barely play either of them any moe
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;41100861]Mana Drain and Lion in general are fucking weird
Mana Drain is really only good if you have at least two points, but you need to max Earthspike first so that pretty much says you won't get Hex until 8 which can be iffy as it's a valuable disable
Lion has all the skills of a support but the actual numbers, especially on Earthspike early on, are so underwhelming that he never seems to be that great at making an impact early as a support and then he just gets slammed when people get BKBs.
But his animation / base stats are pretty eh too so he's not the greatest mid and even a Lina or a Shadow Shaman can do more with that kind of farm[/QUOTE]
Skipping mana drain will mean you wont ever have mana for anything unless you almost never use your spells.
All his spells cost SO MUCH FUCKING MANA so mana drain is pretty much needed.
[QUOTE=dual elites;41102068]what time does the test client usually update?[/QUOTE]
Anywhere from now and in 5 hours.
[QUOTE=Rarara;41102102]Skipping mana drain will mean you wont ever have mana for anything unless you almost never use your spells.
All his spells cost SO MUCH FUCKING MANA so mana drain is pretty much needed.[/QUOTE]
we're not saying to skip mana drain though, we're only saying to take at most one point in it early on
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I'm not at least
I'm not saying any of that, I'm saying I fucking hate Lion because no matter how you skill him you lose something important
I usually do the QEQEQ build, but I sometimes get hex on level 2 or 4 depending on the lane and situation.
You can max hex safely after getting 2 points in mana drain though.
Lion has that bad animation attack since ever, but was worst earlier.
[QUOTE=justaris;41102257]Lion has that bad animation attack since ever, but was worst earlier.[/QUOTE]
His range is cool and his animation isn't bad at all.
His projectile speed however sucks.
[QUOTE=Rarara;41102263]His projectile speed however sucks.[/QUOTE]
I love it when you are finishing an enemy off with a single autoattack and it takes like ~3 seconds to land.
Anyone know why I dont have my BB from opening my compendium? All I got was the smeevil, and yes I got it from the Dota store.
[QUOTE=Hellohmhello;41102353]Anyone know why I dont have my BB from opening my compendium? All I got was the smeevil, and yes I got it from the Dota store.[/QUOTE]
you do. it's an item in your inventory.
Also I hate Manadrain because you will rarely have the opportunity to channel anything for 5 seconds during teamfight.
Also an aoe 2.5 second stun dealing 250dmg is better than a 1 second, 60 dmg stun which you can use again [B]IF[/B] you manage to steal enough mana [B]AFTER[/B] the 12 second cd.
Same goes for the Hex.
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But I am talking about more organised games(tournaments, competitive, hell, even captains mode, etc). Anything could work in pub.
[QUOTE=pvt.meh;41102386]you do. it's an item in your inventory.[/QUOTE]
Oh, thanks. Didn't know that.
You can steal mana easily 3 seconds using the stun + manadrain combo, in this case animations works fine.
