[QUOTE=Kendra;41117356]tl;dr: you're bad at DOTA[/QUOTE]
Shadow fiend can get retardedly high damage in a short amount of time with his passive. If he gets a good amount of last hits early, it becomes really hard to out deny/last hit him. It's perfectly reasonable for a lion to lose against a shadow fiend because shadowfiend's raze and passive make him do a stupid amount of damage really quickly.
[QUOTE=Amaurus;41117592]Shadow fiend can get retardedly high damage in a short amount of time with his passive. If he gets a good amount of last hits early, it becomes really hard to out deny/last hit him. It's perfectly reasonable for a lion to lose against a shadow fiend because shadowfiend's raze and passive make him do a stupid amount of damage really quickly.[/QUOTE]
Sure if you're unlucky enough to get matched against the 2 shadow fiend players in the world who actually know how raze works. Then you're fucked.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;41117610]Sure if you're unlucky enough to get matched against the 2 shadow fiend players in the world who actually know how raze works. Then you're fucked.[/QUOTE]
nah, most shadow fiends i have played with/against know how to use shadowraze properly
[QUOTE=nmagain;41117773]nah, most shadow fiends i have played with/against know how to use shadowraze properly[/QUOTE]
it isnt that hard after you play him like 4 times
[QUOTE=Naught;41117837]it isnt that hard after you play him like 4 times[/QUOTE]
You underestimate the average pubfiend.
I've seen them lose mid to fucking Omniknight.
one time i saw a shadow fiend say "this round i make rampage"
then he lost mid to sniper
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he didn't make a rampage
[QUOTE=Amaurus;41117592]Shadow fiend can get retardedly high damage in a short amount of time with his passive. If he gets a good amount of last hits early, it becomes really hard to out deny/last hit him. It's perfectly reasonable for a lion to lose against a shadow fiend because shadowfiend's raze and passive make him do a stupid amount of damage really quickly.[/QUOTE]
SF is extremely easy to gank first of, but anyways: you put someone with high kill potential against Shadow fiend and try to out-last hit him early-game (which is very easy since his base damage is a joke). If after the first 2 creep waves he has more lh/dn than you it's because he's a better player than you and you deserved to lose that one; because he was better.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;41117947]You underestimate the average pubfiend.
I've seen them lose mid to fucking Omniknight.[/QUOTE]
mid omniknight is fuckin legit dude. Infinite sustain.
[QUOTE=Shibbey;41117947]You underestimate the average pubfiend.
I've seen them lose mid to fucking Omniknight.[/QUOTE]
Omniknight is one of the best mids in the game. :|
Omniknight vs Pudge mid lane is hilarious.
Strange that you'd say that, since he's very much Lane Support with his heal and free BKB. In terms of staying in-lane he'd definitely last longer if he gets Soul Ring (core on him), but I dunno if he's all that good at last hitting, being that his attack point is .433 seconds, in comparison to someone like Anti-Mage or Dazzle, who's attack point is .3 seconds. A quick-hitting attack point is usually what's important for last-hitting and farming.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;41118378]Early warning for:
- Update - DOTA 2 (MAIN CLIENT) - 6/20/13 5:38 PM CDT - [url]http://steamdb.info/app/580/#section_history[/url][/QUOTE]
Dedicated servers are one step further to mod support, I'm liking this.
EDIT: Nevermind, I thought they were readying themselves for releasing this to the public. Rate me bad reading or something.
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;41118426]Dedicated servers are one step further to mod support, I'm liking this.[/QUOTE]
DSes have existed for both the MC and the TC for a while now, hence all of these early warnings :v:
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;41118437]DSes have existed for both the MC and the TC for a while now, hence all of these early warnings :v:[/QUOTE]
But it means that you could search for servers with mods in Dota 2 itself, instead of being limited solely to external sites and people sharing server IPs. More publicity for them I hope, which means more players, which is good.
[QUOTE=ironman17;41118288]Strange that you'd say that, since he's very much Lane Support with his heal and free BKB. In terms of staying in-lane he'd definitely last longer if he gets Soul Ring (core on him), but I dunno if he's all that good at last hitting, being that his attack point is .433 seconds, in comparison to someone like Anti-Mage or Dazzle, who's attack point is .3 seconds. A quick-hitting attack point is usually what's important for last-hitting and farming.[/QUOTE]
He's a melee support, but his skills are pretty good, a well timed heal can not only save your lane partner, but also kill the enemy, free bkb, and a attack sand movespeed aura, you can also get a orb of venom to stack with your aura
Also when i play him i either go to a dual hard lane and ask to share a few last htis for soul ring, or try to stack and pull as much as I can
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;41118460]But it means that you could search for servers with mods in Dota 2 itself, instead of being limited solely to external sites and people sharing server IPs. More publicity for them I hope, which means more players, which is good.[/QUOTE]What?
These updates mean nothing about dedicated servers or their availability to the public.
[QUOTE=Terin7;41118613]What?
These updates mean nothing about dedicated servers or their availability to the public.[/QUOTE]
Oh snap, my bad. Didn't look thoroughly enough.
A good omni's ability to constantly escape death gets really annoying.
[QUOTE=Kendra;41117356]tl;dr: you're bad at DOTA[/QUOTE]
Before you dumb this post, ask yourself this:
"Should I fail at denying against the guy with the 2nd lowest base damage, right over Techies?"
"Should I fail at seeing incoming ganks with high ground on both sides?"
[QUOTE=Amaurus;41117592]Shadow fiend can get retardedly high damage in a short amount of time with his passive. If he gets a good amount of last hits early, it becomes really hard to out deny/last hit him. It's perfectly reasonable for a lion to lose against a shadow fiend because shadowfiend's raze and passive make him do a stupid amount of damage really quickly.[/QUOTE]
Yes, if he first can get any last hits.
Lions base damage is far above Fiends.
Shadow raze wont deal a whole lot of damage until Fiend is level 6.
[QUOTE=ironman17;41118288]Strange that you'd say that, since he's very much Lane Support with his heal and free BKB. In terms of staying in-lane he'd definitely last longer if he gets Soul Ring (core on him), but I dunno if he's all that good at last hitting, being that his attack point is .433 seconds, in comparison to someone like Anti-Mage or Dazzle, who's attack point is .3 seconds. A quick-hitting attack point is usually what's important for last-hitting and farming.[/QUOTE]
Omni needs levels fast, which is why he is sometimes played in a solo lane, which is actually really good if you know the enemy is gonna put a certain hero solo.
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[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41118659]A good omni's ability to constantly escape death gets really annoying.[/QUOTE]
And when you finally thought he's gonna die you instantly feel the wrath of 360 pure damage.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41114225]When someone gets ganked cause I failed to call missing
"Holy shit call missing from your fucking lane, you see someone missing so call it, goddamn"
When I get ganked cause they failed to call missing
"Are you retarded, you have a minimap, fucking look at it"[/QUOTE]
15-20 minutes into the game, pretty much everyone is done laning and is roaming/dicking around
That one guy who is still in lane
"OMG CALL MISSING YOU RETARDS!"
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[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41118659]A good omni's ability to constantly escape death gets really annoying.[/QUOTE]
Try treant during the first 15 mintues of the game
"oh you want to kill my buddy? too bad I'm gonna heal and block the next 6 hits" and then that guy enters the fog while everyone who attempted to gank it is cursing
[QUOTE=leonthefox;41118723]15-20 minutes into the game, pretty much everyone is done laning and is roaming/dicking around
That one guy who is still in lane
"OMG CALL MISSING YOU RETARDS!"
[editline]20th June 2013[/editline]
Try treant during the first 15 mintues of the game
"oh you want to kill my buddy? too bad I'm gonna heal and block the next 6 hits" and then that guy enters the fog while everyone who attempted to gank it is cursing[/QUOTE]
Treant + Omni in the same lane.
None shall die.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41118845]Treant + Omni in the same lane.
None shall die.[/QUOTE]
and if Omni gets a scepter no tower shall die either ;)
Kotl Omni lane, infinite mana for infinite heals.
[QUOTE=Kendra;41118048]Omniknight is one of the best mids in the game. :|[/QUOTE]
yea, I love all the pros that use him mid since he's so good mid
right guys?
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41118845]Treant + Omni in the same lane.
None shall die.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=nmagain;41118983]and if Omni gets a scepter no tower shall die either ;)[/QUOTE]
Doom gets a scepter and manages to stay near omni long enough, then a necrolyte kills omni with reaper's scythe
Everybody dies and the towers go down in a few seconds :v:
You know since the update I've never seen anyone build scepter on doom. I tried it once and got moaned at by my team because they thought I was doing divine courage.
Omni Scepter is truly a thing to behold.
Got stomped by really angry ally barathrum while in top lane, gave a pot to him and send "chill out man". Kinda work for the rest of match. Guess when people are hungry they really get that mad.
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