[QUOTE=devon_wargod;41174035]this is part of why you lost and also not an excuse to not build a bkb (i don't even know how the two negatively impact eachother)[/QUOTE]
Cause I couldn't really get any gold with DK taking ancients and Kunkka taking lane and jungle. We could've won too if they would just push with me, that's whats so disheartening.
After using the same build for months I wanted to try something new. That one was fine.
Got told Vlads is a late game item because it won't give you any damage if you get it early. Helm only gives you 10 damage more roughly then Vlads early on. I don't know how to argue with pubs.
I thought helm was better anyway since it builds into Satanic.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41174076]Cause I couldn't really get any gold with DK taking ancients and Kunkka taking lane and jungle. We could've won too if they would just push with me, that's whats so disheartening.
After using the same build for months I wanted to try something new. That one was fine.[/QUOTE]
You had 18.3K net worth, it wouldn't hurt to buy a BKB before your Desolator or Manta Style or Daedalus.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;41174114]Got told Vlads is a late game item because it won't give you any damage if you get it early. Helm only gives you 10 damage more roughly then Vlads early on. I don't know how to argue with pubs.[/QUOTE]
vlads is % based so it's better late game
[QUOTE=pvt.meh;41174151]You had 18.3K net worth, it wouldn't hurt to buy a BKB before your Desolator or Manta Style or Daedalus.[/QUOTE]
Deso was the first major item I got, but def before Daedalus, you're right about that.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;41174114]Got told Vlads is a late game item because it won't give you any damage if you get it early. Helm only gives you 10 damage more roughly then Vlads early on. I don't know how to argue with pubs.[/QUOTE]
Vlad's does go late, it's percentage based, but that's not the point of either item. Vlad's is more of a support item/mid-game item on carries while helm is an intermediate item towards Satanic. There's almost no point in getting helm unless you want a Satanic on a carry.
Vlad's is just outright better though if we're just comparing it and helm though. You can even build a helm afterwords and it will still stack.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41174184]Deso was the first major item I got, but def before Daedalus, you're right about that.[/QUOTE]
theoretically speaking considering how dependant TA is on being able to hit her enemies I think using that mithril for a BKB first would do her a lot better unless of course she's absolutely rolling
fucking automerge
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;41173956]I hate losing in pubs, all people want to do is blame each other, they pick out one little flaw and act like it threw the entire game. I had an entire team blame me for a loss because I built a Vlads instead of a helm as Troll Warlord. A muted guy even added me to friends afterwards so he could tell me to build items.[/QUOTE]
The thing with pubs is that the ones who actually made the team lose are the ones who will try to grasp at all the straws and try to find something that made you look bad then blame the entire loss on you because you suck.
[editline]25th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;41174114]Got told Vlads is a late game item because it won't give you any damage if you get it early. Helm only gives you 10 damage more roughly then Vlads early on. I don't know how to argue with pubs.[/QUOTE]
Also, Helm on troll beats vlads.
Ranged lifesteal + satanic.
If you hate satanic then I guess vlads is better overall, but lategame.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;41174249]theoretically speaking considering how dependant TA is on being able to hit her enemies I think using that mithril for a BKB first would do her a lot better unless of course she's absolutely rolling[/QUOTE]
I [i]was[/i] rolling early and mid game. Then it started crashing.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41174298]I [i]was[/i] rolling early and mid game. Then it started crashing.[/QUOTE]
even then, her less than average range combined with her lack of innate mobility means that she's very vulnerable to being disabled in some way, and that she still needs to end up with a bkb at some point, leaving very little excuse for you to not have one
True. No idea why I went for Daedalus first, or even Manta.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41173922][url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/227457192[/url]
Besides the beyond useless Kunkka what went wrong here?[/QUOTE]
Any team that refuses to build even a single BKB against a Zeus deserves to lose.
[editline]24th June 2013[/editline]
Not to mention they had an Invoker to boot, Jesus.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;41174378]Any team that refuses to build even a single BKB against a Zeus deserves to lose.
[editline]24th June 2013[/editline]
Not to mention they had an Invoker to boot, Jesus.[/QUOTE]
don't forget viper in ta's case, since all his dot is magic damage (and not even that baller universal kind that goes through magic immunity) making refraction not instantly get broken by him
Considering they didn't even have a pipe they were begging for Zeus to instantly kill everyone with his combo.
Pipe wouldn't have been that effective simply due to Timbersaw, so BKB is really the only option. Too bad they didn't build either, because either would've helped regardless.
It's been a while since I've seen such levels of burst damage in a single team before.
I had a really annoying game the other day, my team was farmed, but we had very little late game potential, and our only carryw as doom.
We got two sets of rax, yet we couldn't get the third one down, neither kill them to get the ancient, they wiped us every fucking single time, and the best part is they fucking refused to push, they just sat in base turtling.
At one point one of us was telling them to push already
[QUOTE=leonthefox;41174495]I had a really annoying game the other day, my team was farmed, but we had very little late game potential, and our only carryw as doom.
We got two sets of rax, yet we couldn't get the third one down, neither kill them to get the ancient, they wiped us every fucking single time, and the best part is they fucking refused to push, they just sat in base turtling.
At one point one of us was telling them to push already[/QUOTE]
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/225909621[/url]
Your team built retardedly and you could've easily used Doom to just turn off Lifestealer when it came to teamfights, essentially making it 4v5.
[editline]24th June 2013[/editline]
But yeah, after a while having just Drow and Dragon Knight would've still wrecked you guys. Could've ended the game much earlier, because they have piss poor anti push.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;41174524][url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/225909621[/url]
Your team built retardedly and you could've easily used Doom to just turn off Lifestealer when it came to teamfights, essentially making it 4v5.
[editline]24th June 2013[/editline]
But yeah, after a while having just Drow and Dragon Knight would've still wrecked you guys. Could've ended the game much earlier, because they have piss poor anti push.[/QUOTE]
We doomed lifestealer everytime, but somehow they managed to stay in game, and those seconds of bkb from drow were enough to down most of us, then you had DK whow was retardedly tanky.
We managed to kill lifestealer and drow during the laning phase a few times, but after a while none of us could do shit, not even solo or splitpush because they were turtling 24/7, so yeah only way was 5 man their shit earlier and actually end it
Vlads being good late doesn't make it bad early though. We were getting harassed constantly, I needed something for sustain. I prefer having the regen over slightly more damage so I got Vlads over Helm. You can argue with one is better but the difference is so negligible.
Just played a game where they five manned only me for the entire laneing phase, then proceeded to dive me 3 towers into fountain before wisp came teleported all of them out. They never lost a single team fight at all and their wisp pulled every single one of them out if they ever got in trouble.
Once I got dived past 3 towers into fountain, died and the person who dove got out completely free because of the wisp I just gave up.
[QUOTE=Quinnjdq;41175110]Just played a game where they five manned only me for the entire laneing phase, then proceeded to dive me 3 towers into fountain before wisp came teleported all of them out. They never lost a single team fight at all and their wisp pulled every single one of them out if they ever got in trouble.
Once I got dived past 3 towers into fountain, died and the person who dove got out completely free because of the wisp I just gave up.[/QUOTE]
The Wisp was probably me, I bet you all my rares on it.
i fucking hate everything and everyone
played treant and lost a tower
I LOST A FUCKING TOWER
1 is still more than 0
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;41174922]Vlads being good late doesn't make it bad early though. We were getting harassed constantly, I needed something for sustain. I prefer having the regen over slightly more damage so I got Vlads over Helm. You can argue with one is better but the difference is so negligible.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully you weren't the only melee hero on your team..
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;41176060]i fucking hate everything and everyone
played treant and lost a tower
I LOST A FUCKING TOWER
1 is still more than 0[/QUOTE]
Sorry
blame me
sand king who misses ults
I hate how in most pub games, after you win a teamfight and push a tower, everybody turns into a complete pussy and start shouting b. We got a fucking teamwipe and you're telling us to b? I randomed Luna, and was the only one who stayed to push. I took out Tier 3 tower and barracks all by myself while the rest of the team called me an idiot for not b'ing. I didn't die, I ran away after I destroyed barracks.
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;41176381]I hate how in most pub games, after you win a teamfight and push a tower, everybody turns into a complete pussy and start shouting b. We got a fucking teamwipe and you're telling us to b? I randomed Luna, and was the only one who stayed to push. I took out Tier 3 tower and barracks all by myself while the rest of the team called me an idiot for not b'ing. I didn't die, I ran away after I destroyed barracks.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand the fucking logic that people will have
Sometimes they will absolutely refuse to go on super easy kills where we can win like 5 v 3 without batting an eye, but then other times they'll run in and die 1 by 1 into 5 people
Well after watching 5 matches with people who been com banned before I now trust a little more in the system.
At least a 70% of the players who said "I got a unfair ban" is in denial.
[editline]25th June 2013[/editline]
Also LVL? Death hit real fucking hard, shit is nasty when Dooms feels like playing a race game with you.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;41176410]I don't understand the fucking logic that people will have
Sometimes they will absolutely refuse to go on super easy kills where we can win like 5 v 3 without batting an eye, but then other times they'll run in and die 1 by 1 into 5 people[/QUOTE]
That's the far more retarded part. They constantly insisted on b'ing out every single fucking moment possible. Oh no, 2 heroes alone, GET OUT, GET OUT. Entire enemy team is coming to fuck up the towers? I CAN TAKE THEM ALONE. It's like they're afraid of teamfights, yet constantly want to fight in them.
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