riki can solo pretty much any non tanky solo hero once he gets diffusal, unless they have a force staff
[QUOTE=Rarara;41250290]Because you shouldn't rely on invisibility to get you everywhere, obviously they will dust and shit but just don't derp around alone between 3 people?
Positioning is also important because you want to abuse backstab without getting put in danger zone, which is why Wisp is an extremely good hero to combo with because blink strike is a free stun and then you just stab them over and over. (easy first blood for example)
Smoke cloud is also a great teamfight tool as well as very good at not getting you killed if you have allies nearby.
Also the second you get diffusal you can say "fuck this guy in particular" and get a free kill in the midst of teamfights or while just roaming.
Riki is also a reliable carry because of how ridiculously good backstab damage is and that he has a fuckton of agility.[/QUOTE]
i am saying he is a skillless trash hero because he's obscenely powerful both before and after his buff, and that he has little trouble pubstomping at all
and the rebuttal is that he is a powerful hero
???
Had a Chen who kept sending people back to the fountain despite them being full health and a fight about to break out.
Even made one of our team quit. Hardly funny when you're just being an asshole and throwing the game.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;41250320]i am saying he is a skillless trash hero because he's obscenely powerful both before and after his buff, and that he has little trouble pubstomping at all
and the rebuttal is that he is a powerful hero
???[/QUOTE]
Based on your previous post you are saying he's skilless trash because he is easily countered and useless.
He's not nearly as good at pubstomping as Slark is.
[editline]30th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Goodwell;41250355]Had a Chen who kept sending people back to the fountain despite them being full health and a fight about to break out.
Even made one of our team quit. Hardly funny when you're just being an asshole and throwing the game.[/QUOTE]
If only more people knew about the disable help button.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;41248267]I only see value in combining him with sd and insert support here to shit on an antimage or void while they're still without farm
disruption -> smoke cloud -> ez game[/QUOTE]
Riki wisp is pretty fun to, basically guaranteed 2.25 sec stun on top of always backstabbing.
[QUOTE=Rarara;41250381]Based on your previous post you are saying he's skilless trash because he is easily countered and useless.
He's not nearly as good at pubstomping as Slark is.[/QUOTE]
he's easily countered, but if he wasn't a stupidly powerful hero that i was only going to play while on a page-long losing streak then i wouldn't be going 12-1-whatever as him
[editline]beans[/editline]
wait wait wiat WAIT what
since when was trusty mountain yak an immortal courier
i don't remember this being here a while ago
what is even going on here.
I'm not sure if you're crying "Riki is OP", in which case counterpick one of the billion heroes who has truesight or a reliable stun. Build MKB, stay in groups of 2. Permanent Invisibility isn't even his best ability ironically enough.
If you're crying "Riki is UP", stop relying on Permanent Invisibility and focus on his ability that disables every single hero in the game unless they farm up a 5400 gold item if a Physical Damage Dealer, or a BKB they're prepared to use every time you throw down a Smokescreen if they're a Caster.
even in pubs I don't see Riki stomp that much anymore.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;41250616]he's easily countered, but if he wasn't a stupidly powerful hero that i was only going to play while on a page-long losing streak then i wouldn't be going 12-1-whatever as him
[editline]beans[/editline]
wait wait wiat WAIT what
since when was trusty mountain yak an immortal courier
i don't remember this being here a while ago[/QUOTE]
it happened to stumpy, now yak, and soon others i spose
On an unrelated note, when I FIRST played dota2 on my first game ever vs bots I though Riki was some kind of fairy creature thing and the little "Silence" noise that plays when you try to cast a spell while silenced was Riki's voice.
o my bad -snip
[quote]6.78c
* Rage cooldown increased from 15 to 17 seconds
* Flamebreak cooldown increased from 11 to 14
* Tether movement bonus decreased from 20% to 17%
* Living Armor damage block instances from 7 to 4/5/6/7
* Chemical Rage bonus HP reduced from 300/600/900 to 250/500/750
* Gyrocopter attack range reduced from 375 to 365
* Team 2 now bans second instead of first in Ban Phase #2. (All other phases and orders are the same)
[/quote]
[url]http://www.playdota.com/changelogs/6.78c[/url]
[quote]* Chemical Rage bonus HP reduced from 300/600/900 to 250/500/750[/quote]
I was expecting an alchemist nerf.
if it were up to me i'd nerf the range of flak cannon to 900 or something
[editline]1st July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;41251835]Rage nerf, Living Armor nerf, Gyro nerf, Batrider nerf.
Glorious patch.[/QUOTE]
you're forgetting wisp, the most OP hero in the game
[QUOTE=Ignoritus;41251424]what is even going on here.
I'm not sure if you're crying "Riki is OP", in which case counterpick one of the billion heroes who has truesight or a reliable stun. Build MKB, stay in groups of 2. Permanent Invisibility isn't even his best ability ironically enough.
If you're crying "Riki is UP", stop relying on Permanent Invisibility and focus on his ability that disables every single hero in the game unless they farm up a 5400 gold item if a Physical Damage Dealer, or a BKB they're prepared to use every time you throw down a Smokescreen if they're a Caster.
even in pubs I don't see Riki stomp that much anymore.[/QUOTE]
i'm saying riki's a gimmick hero whose sole purpose is to pubstomp, and is so easily countered that if he were to fight any competent team then he'd be pwnt in seconds
but when he pubstomps, he stomps hard, and relentlessly in the orifices
in other news, queued for australia ap/rd at 2am and half the players on my team only got the game today, the enemy team was a fully coordinated team of early pushers and gankers that dunked our tier 3 bot by 15 minutes
guess im queueing for us west~~~
[EDITLINE]BERF[/EDITLINE]
oh my gosh is that a living armour nerf
does this mean that people will stop calling him OP just because his single good spell was actually good
First Treant Protector nerf in 2 years.
[QUOTE=Gar~;41251926]
you're forgetting wisp, the most OP hero in the game[/QUOTE]
Wisp can't solo-stomp pubs, and is much less infuriating to play against. I'm glad he got nerfed, but the Gyro/Naix/Treant nerfs make me MUCH happier.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;41251937]i'm saying riki's a gimmick hero whose sole purpose is to pubstomp, and is so easily countered that if he were to fight any competent team then he'd be pwnt in seconds
but when he pubstomps, he stomps hard, and relentlessly in the orifices
[/QUOTE]
Unless of course the Riki himself is competent? You have to stop thinking of Riki's strength being his invisibility, and instead focus on his incredibly powerful skillset that makes up for his subpar ult. Namely the ability that, I repeat, disables every single hero in the game in an AoE?
In other news, the Living Armor nerf was fairly incompetent IMO. It's exactly what the spell needed, but they shouldn't have nerfed anything until they buffed the rest of his incredibly awful skillset. He's trash tier now.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;41248503]this hero is worth 90 gold, in that this is exactly how much it costs you each time you kill him
[/QUOTE]
so uh yea, smokescreen? solo killing? he's pretty damn powerful in fact, invis isnt a make or break on a hero, just look at bounty hunter, he's been in comp a shitload, and shadow blade, picked up on at least one person every match or so in comp
Canada Cup Finals are so close I can taste 'em. And they taste like maple syrup.
Go into AR, get Lifestealer. We already have CK, Axe, Nyx and Warlock so I figured a re-pick might not be a bad idea.
I get Visage.
We won. Though to be fair, top lane got a good case of the silver spoon.
Holy shit Gyro just got wrecked.
Wait, so parts of the Gunslinger set actually drop?
[QUOTE=Talkbox;41249254]What kind of item build is that ahah....
In order to have a decent game with Chen you have to tab through your creeps to gank push and teamfight. You can also use one to stack ancients. Late game just get an alpha wolf have it follow your cores and position yourself so you don't get nuked down so you can hand of god. Build basi > arcanes > mek > aghs.
One of the most powerful heroes in the game if you play him effectively, one of the most redundant if you don't.[/QUOTE]
holy shit its my first game of dota, check the date
i know how to play chen
You get a good aggressive creep and gank mid/safelane a lot.
A chen who sits in the jungle all game is useless.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;41252737]IceFrog has a really bizarre relationship with movement speed. In some cases he just throws it around as if it doesn't do anything (OD went from 300 to 315, Abaddon from 300 to 310), does really insignificant tweaks (recent Wisp change) and sometime he just avoid touching it over anything (Poor CM and Shadow Shaman).[/QUOTE]
Both CM and Rhasta both have strong CC spells, which aren't their ultimates.
If you'd combine that with reliable way to land them without effort they would be OP earlygame.
While on the case: Ever wondered why Axe's base MS is lower than usual? Same thing applies here, would be too strong earlygame.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41248128]Mjollnir > B.Fury[/QUOTE]
why do people keep saying this
mjollnir isn't going to cleave my daedalus and butterfly damage
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;41252737]IceFrog has a really bizarre relationship with movement speed. In some cases he just throws it around as if it doesn't do anything (OD went from 300 to 315, Abaddon from 300 to 310), does really insignificant tweaks (recent Wisp change) and sometime he just avoid touching it over anything (Poor CM and Shadow Shaman).[/QUOTE]
Rhasta gets to have low MS because he as a powerful AoE nuke, 1 disable, 2nd disable and potentially a ward trap. Giving him high base MS would make all of those way too easy to drop.
CM though, her spells are good, no question about that, but she has little reason to be that slow. I'd understand that if her range and base damage were high, to cut down on lane harassment on top of solid supporting capabilities, but given CD/duration of her disables and really low damage, she could actually use that MS buff.
1 thing I can think of that could be reason for her being slow right now, is potential Crystal Nova harass with her manaregen. But that's frankly nothing compared to KotL's.
bash isnt going to proc with shit attack speed
they're both arguable items
[QUOTE=Keychain;41252818]why do people keep saying this
mjollnir isn't going to cleave my daedalus and butterfly damage[/QUOTE]
But Mjollnir gives a fantastic attack speed boost, which works really well with high damage items like Daedalus or Butterfly.
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