Dark Seer is king of the laning phase, but I've never seen him as much of a threat after.
[QUOTE=Tyra;41300392]The only broken hero is Dark Seer. Undying is balanced, you only need to shut down the Tumb & the rest is ez[/QUOTE]
Dark Seer is broken?
lol.
[QUOTE=Constructor;41300320]Undying's earlymidgame potential is so fucking strong I ragequit 90% of my matches against him.
Broken piece of shit[/QUOTE]
Alchemist is perfect against undying because you can farm the zombies
Kunkka's cleave also works on the zombies too.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41300441]Dark Seer is king of the laning phase, but I've never seen him as much of a threat after.[/QUOTE]
Early Game -> Maxes W & fucks melee carry's early
Mid Game/Ganks -> 3 people gather up at bot, venomancer, lich & AA to kill the enemy Dark Seer & let the void get the kill. They gather up, enters lich applys the slow while AA uses his Q & boom: Dark seer used the E & he is atm beneath his tower laughing at the time u've lost coming for him
Mid Game/Late Game --> Dark seer just like Kotl farmed like a boss the hard lane & has finished farming Aghans & Pipe. Begins teamfight. Dark Seer Uses his ult, vacuums the enemy team to it & gets a Rampage. And if they get bkbs, well you use pipe and wait for their inmunity to end. Now you can procceed to fuck 'em up
And also Dark Seer having his op str gain becomes a tanky fucker at late. You will struggle to kill him with his E & his beefyness. Seriously its op
Note I used to play with a friend who always built the following on Dark Seer:
First item: Linkens, no boots between linkens & tangos
Second item: Boots of travel, who needs arcane boots?
Third item: HoT, because dark seer will tank the shit outta 'em
And afterwards he built whatever luxury he felt like he needed.
Here his dotabuff profile [url]http://dotabuff.com/players/9049571[/url]
Wow three heroes with no stuns try to kill a Dark Seer and they can't, he must be OP!
[QUOTE=Amaurus;41300536]Alchemist is perfect against undying because you can farm the zombies
Kunkka's cleave also works on the zombies too.[/QUOTE]
Bristleback is great as well, one W and no more zombies ever.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;41300617]Wow three heroes with no stuns try to kill a Dark Seer and they can't, he must be OP![/QUOTE]
For how much can you stun him? 2-3 seconds? What do you need a Mirana to counter a Dark seer? After the 2 seconds of the stun have passed he will be already running away.
PS: Here you can find some of his matches as Dark seer [url]http://dotabuff.com/players/9049571/matches?hero=dark-seer&game_mode=&match_type=real[/url]
[QUOTE=Tyra;41300689]For how much can you stun him? 2-3 seconds? What do you need a Mirana to counter a Dark seer? After the 2 seconds of the stun have passed he will be already running away.[/QUOTE]
Your logic is pretty bad.
What do you think, you should just not bother trying to stunlock or kill Weaver cause he can just Timelapse out?
[QUOTE=Colour;41300739]Your logic is pretty bad.
What do you think, you should just not bother trying to stunlock or kill Weaver cause he can just Timelapse out?[/QUOTE]
Its worth doing that on carrys such as Weaver or Anti-Mage. For those your team will gather. For a Dark Seer no more than 2-3 mates will gather. The rest will keep farming
Silences, snares, purges, hexes and roots.
Hardly broken.
I mean, shit, his strength gain isn't even that great.
[img]http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/1/15/Ensnare_(Naga_Siren)_icon.png[/img]
You have now succesfully ganked a Dark Seer
[QUOTE=Colour;41300845]Silences, snares, purges, hexes and roots.
Hardly broken.[/QUOTE]
But still while you focus your disables on Dark Seer the enemy weaver will fuck your ass. Still I don't buy it. It's not impossible to kill, he is just way too tanky for what he does. His skill set is mainly about initiating with both his ult & the vacuum while saving team8s or chasing the picks. He should be as tanky as a... Lich or a Kotl & still would work. He is overpowered because of his survivability due to both his beefiness & the escape his E provides. It's not only about the Gotta go fast thingy =.='
[QUOTE=maxumym;41300920][img]http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/1/15/Ensnare_(Naga_Siren)_icon.png[/img]
You have now succesfully ganked a Dark Seer[/QUOTE]
Also note any good Dark Seer will have bought wards & when he sees you he will already be running. Not fast enough to catch him with your webs. Better luck next time
That's just being ignorant and silly.
[QUOTE=Colour;41301001]That's just being ignorant and silly.[/QUOTE]
Whaaaaaaatever...
How do you deal with a QoP, Puck or a Windrunner then?
bronze league
~tales from the trench~
2tanky4u
2fastUfurious
It's funny how you saw good Dark Seer will do this and then basically say everyone on the enemy team isn't smart enough to deal with him
So you have this super high skilled dude playing against scrubs
also theres only one set of wards at the start of the game now
are you going to really use those to possibly spot ganks on a dark seer over protecting your carry?
The reasons given for why Dark Seer is 'too stronk' are infact the reasons he's drafted (pick/banned) so often. He gives a lot back for very little, and is very survivable. He essentially guarantees anti-carry, lane pressure and harass for virtually nothing.
In a pub setting of course these things are a little less important since it's so much harder to leverage into real advantages, but if your team is spending all day playing "chase sonic" then perhaps you're in trouble. However in a semi-competative format, like 4+1versus3+2 or public Captains, then he can still be a real hassle.
Honestly though, if you're getting rekt by the Seer, your head is too round and ugly to even be reading these posts.
[QUOTE=Tyra;41300940]But still while you focus your disables on Dark Seer the enemy weaver will fuck your ass. Still I don't buy it. It's not impossible to kill, he is just way too tanky for what he does. His skill set is mainly about initiating with both his ult & the vacuum while saving team8s or chasing the picks. He should be as tanky as a... Lich or a Kotl & still would work. He is overpowered because of his survivability due to both his beefiness & the escape his E provides. It's not only about the Gotta go fast thingy =.='
Also note any good Dark Seer will have bought wards & when he sees you he will already be running. Not fast enough to catch him with your webs. Better luck next time[/QUOTE]
But your arguments are just basic outplaying, not that the hero is broken... You never proved he was broken just that you're bad at the game no offense.
You don't even need to stun Dork seer, just a silence
Holy shit, this has to be one of the worst Chaos Knights I have ever seen. He didn't use bolt once!
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/234314266[/url]
[QUOTE=Tyra;41300940]But still while you focus your disables on Dark Seer the enemy weaver will fuck your ass.[/QUOTE]
Oh shit, attack of the team of easy to kill but survivable due to abilities heroes!! If only there were abilities that would wreck all of them simultaneously!!
[IMG]http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/2/2d/Global_Silence_icon.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/8/8e/Static_Storm_icon.png[/IMG]
Edit:
Looking at it now, why is the Static Storm icon so awful?
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41301510]Holy shit, this has to be one of the worst Chaos Knights I have ever seen. He didn't use bolt once!
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/234314266[/url][/QUOTE]
No armlet
wth
I like to go Armlet -> Heart -> Satanic on CK if I'm doing well.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41301510]Holy shit, this has to be one of the worst Chaos Knights I have ever seen. He didn't use bolt once!
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/234314266[/url][/QUOTE]
Not even a single boot?...
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41301510]Holy shit, this has to be one of the worst Chaos Knights I have ever seen. He didn't use bolt once!
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/234314266[/url][/QUOTE]
he's kinda not the only problem
how about you and skeleton king both not getting bkb with only two heroes that can stun through bkb (and even then only one of them can even keep it up) but a ton of disables blocked by bkb as well
or the lion without a forcestaff against a riki and naix
or that pl in general (his only good items are manta and tp boots)
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
yeah checked the skillbuilds you have other problems for sure
i should probably check the replay as well
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41301510]Holy shit, this has to be one of the worst Chaos Knights I have ever seen. He didn't use bolt once!
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/234314266[/url][/QUOTE]
Ehh.. you should've gotten BKB before Heart.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;41301636]he's kinda not the only problem
how about you and skeleton king both not getting bkb with only two heroes that can stun through bkb (and even then only one of them can even keep it up) but a ton of disables blocked by bkb as well
or the lion without a forcestaff against a riki and naix
or that pl in general (his only good items are manta and tp boots)
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
yeah checked the skillbuilds you have other problems for sure
i should probably check the replay as well[/QUOTE]
First time playing kunkka, was just following the top rated guide. Was gonna get bkb before heart and it slipped my mind
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;41301898]First time playing kunkka, was just following the top rated guide. Was gonna get bkb before heart and it slipped my mind[/QUOTE]
the top rated guide is roov's right? probably should read the text version of that, it helps a lot.
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
very nice guide btw roov :-)
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