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This is a thing?[/QUOTE]
Support Alchemist can be played, that seems to be the build.
Saw one even in a pro game.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40570485]These are as well, their are a lot of bad players lol.
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At least on the Zeus one they don't max Q first and use it to fucking last hit.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40570517]this is actually really good if your teammates are dumb and don't want to give you midlane[/QUOTE]
No, not getting a single point of chain at the start is always retarded.
Its cheap, spammable, and being cheap and low cd lets your passive do insane damage for being cheap if you are support for harassment, and makes LH so much better if you are farming.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40570529]No, not getting a single point of chain at the start is always retarded.
Its cheap, spammable, and being cheap and low cd lets your passive do insane damage for being cheap if you are support for harassment, and makes LH so much better if you are farming.[/QUOTE]
If you're a support and spam chain, though, it'd push the lane.
[QUOTE=Zoran;40570547]If you're a support and spam chain, though, it'd push the lane.[/QUOTE]
But you can not just last hit lane creeps with it, if you're support you'll just last hit stacked jungle creeps with it. :v:
Or use it to cheap harass like that guy said:
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[QUOTE=Zoran;40570547]If you're a support and spam chain, though, it'd push the lane.[/QUOTE]
Or zone them out away from the creep wave and spam chain lightning on them, like you should be doing.
[QUOTE=Jessey;40570564]But you can not just last hit lane creeps with it, if you're support you'll just last hit stacked jungle creeps with it. :v:
Or use it to cheap harass like that guy said:
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No, but it bounces from creeps to heroes and vice-versa. It'd push the lane.
[QUOTE=Zoran;40570583]No, but it bounces from creeps to heroes and vice-versa. It'd push the lane.[/QUOTE]
You are doing it wrong if you are spamming it on them constantly near the creep wave.
[QUOTE=Zoran;40570583]No, but it bounces from creeps to heroes and vice-versa. It'd push the lane.[/QUOTE]
Yes if you drag enemy creeps to your jungle camps... otherwise with just pulling own creeps ofcourse you don't push your lane, you pull it.
And by harassing you're gonna have to zone the enemy out, that means away from xp range, usually there are no creeps there...
Unless you're in hard lane, then you just push like mad and make sure carry gets nothing and tower dies fast.
[QUOTE=Jessey;40570595]
Unless you're in hard lane, then you just push like mad and make sure carry gets nothing and tower dies fast.[/QUOTE]
Works exceptionally well against Broodmother.
You don't often see Broodmothers in safelane fighting offlane Zeus. :v:
[QUOTE=maxumym;40570463]I'm usually going PMS -> Phase -> Urn ->Medallion -> Drums -> Deso.
A really safe build, you don't have to save up for anything.[/QUOTE]
I go
PMS > Phase > Bottle > Drum > Situationals
Is there a blink, stun, or teamfight/solofuckyourface ulty? If yes then Orchid(Are there loads of stuns/aoe ultys? If yes BKB)
Is there an agi carry/PA/Brewmaster/Kotl/HH? If yes then MKB(thou I usually always get MKB)
Is there an agi carry/someone stacking armor? If yes then Deso(thou I try to always get a Deso)
Is there an asshole dusting you/Slardar/Warlock? If yes then Diffusal
Is there a Faceless Void/PA that can faceroll your entire team(Lategame)? If yes Halberd
Am I rolling in loadsemone? If yes then Butterfly(unless a carry has MKB) or Abyssal.
Note on the Str items like Abyssal and HH
In a back and forth type match aka you aren't steamrolling, Gondar cannot outcarry a real carry. You can still shit on non-carries but being an anti carry is huge late game. Watching a PA blink/Void Chrono into your team and get disarmed is hilarious and its a huge table turner.
Yo, you can effectively harass with your W as well, you know.
[QUOTE=maxumym;40570651]Yo, you can effectively harass with your W as well, you know.[/QUOTE]
Costs a lot more, not the best until you have a few levels in it.
Support treant protector is so much fun. Won a game with all of our towers still at full health.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40570673]Costs a lot more, not the best until you have a few levels in it.[/QUOTE]
is not pushing the lane too much to sacrifice your precious arc lightning
Should i feel bad that I focus on maxing Veno's passive and wards before gale? I get one point of it for the slow, then focus on the others. Ult at 6 11 16 per usual, though.
Nah, that's actually the optimal thing to do. The slow stays the same, and that's the biggest point of the spell.
The passive should be maxed first in any case, imo. It's just too strong in terms of harassment.
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There is literally nothing wrong with this. You can just get Q later on for farming, the mana cost and spammability means you will when you actually engage onto the enemy, you may not have enough mana to secure the kill. Then again I have the tendency to play support Zeus during the lane phase so I don't have to worry about that.
This build lets you take advantage of Zeus' early game burst.
also if we're still discussing bounty hunter builds
fast poormans -> generic boots (-> bottle) -> medallion -> tranquil boots -> drum (-> bkb if needed already) -> deso -> disassemble for vlads and phase boots -> bkb
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40570757]is not pushing the lane too much to sacrifice your precious arc lightning[/QUOTE]
You arent pushing the lane if you zone the enemy away from the creeps, like you should be doing as a support.
[QUOTE=mixshifter;40570822]There is literally nothing wrong with this. You can just get Q later on for farming, the mana cost and spammability means you will when you actually engage onto the enemy, you may not have enough mana to secure the kill. Then again I have the tendency to play support Zeus during the lane phase so I don't have to worry about that.
This build lets you take advantage of Zeus' early game burst.[/QUOTE]
Well you usually should get one point in Q over another E because it's nice to finish enemies with 50 HP just out of reach.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40570857]You arent pushing the lane if you zone the enemy away from the creeps, like you should be doing as a support.[/QUOTE]
Or you can just engage with level 3 lightning bolt, deal a good 3/4 of their health, and let your carry get the kill. Much more efficient way to support.
Then again I guess that's entirely opinionated, if not completely different playstyles.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40570857]You arent pushing the lane if you zone the enemy away from the creeps, like you should be doing as a support.[/QUOTE]
You'd harass way better both damagewise and manawise with lightning spam though.
Level 1 lightning = 1,3333 damage per mana
Level 1 arc lightning = 1,3000 damage per mana
Level 4 lightning = 2,59
Level 4 arc lightning = 1,81
Also I thought we were talking about Zeus in midlane like he usually is??
How does one Jungle with Troll Warlord ?
I know the preffered answer to that is "never", as he has some neat laning and all, but let's say I'd rather know how to than not.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40570857]You arent pushing the lane if you zone the enemy away from the creeps, like you should be doing as a support.[/QUOTE]
please turn on your brain
if they're within range to get lasthits, they're probably within range for arc lightning to bounce and push the lane
and if they're not within range to get lasthits, or even experience, you're probably already doing your job and no longer need to use arc lightning
zeus's attack range is only 350 though and his only reliable form of harassment when laning with someone else is lightning bolt so he's not the kind of support you have sit in the lane with the carry and rather he's the kind you just have stack and pull infinitely
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[QUOTE=Rarara;40570909]Also I thought we were talking about Zeus in midlane like he usually is??[/QUOTE]
no we are talking about support zeus which is awful in its own right
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570914]How does one Jungle with Troll Warlord ?
I know the preffered answer to that is "never", as he has some neat laning and all, but let's say I'd rather know how to than not.[/QUOTE]
walk into camps and hit stuff
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;40570921]please turn on your brain
if they're within range to get lasthits, they're probably within range for arc lightning to bounce and push the lane
and if they're not within range to get lasthits, or even experience, you're probably already doing your job and no longer need to use arc lightning
zeus's attack range is only 350 though and his only reliable form of harassment when laning with someone else is lightning bolt so he's not the kind of support you have sit in the lane with the carry and rather he's the kind you just have stack and pull infinitely
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no we are talking about support zeus which is awful in its own right[/QUOTE]
You arent gonna max lightning bolt any faster if you dont/do get arc lightning, you are acting like you cant get both.
You get only 1 level of arc lightning at level 1, then max lightning bolt/passive, its not that hard.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570914]How does one Jungle with Troll Warlord ?
I know the preffered answer to that is "never", as he has some neat laning and all, but let's say I'd rather know how to than not.[/QUOTE]
Spinning axe armor gives enemy creeps miss rate and deals some damage.
But it's a level 2 spell so I dunno.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40570944]You arent gonna max lightning bolt any faster if you dont/do get arc lightning, you are acting like you cant get both.
You get only 1 level of arc lightning at level 1, then max lightning bolt/passive, its not that hard.[/QUOTE]
Ability-reliant mages rely on leveling their abilities. One level in an ability can make all the difference.
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