[QUOTE=mixshifter;40570935]walk into camps and hit stuff[/QUOTE]
So I can jungle with Rhasta, Tusk, Mirana ,etc too ?
Come on, that was honest question.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570914]How does one Jungle with Troll Warlord ?
I know the preffered answer to that is "never", as he has some neat laning and all, but let's say I'd rather know how to than not.[/QUOTE]
Say nasty things to the creeps until they die.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570956]So I can jungle with Rhasta, Tusk, Mirana ,etc too ?
Come on, that was honest question.[/QUOTE]
but it's true
there's nothing complex behind troll warlord, he's an autoattack-reliant beast and just tears through everything he comes in contact with. max everything besides your Q and attack jungle creeps. your ult has stupidly short CD so you can use it just to clear a camp faster
[QUOTE==DarkStar=;40570960]Say nasty things to the creeps until they die.[/QUOTE]
Can't I just stare them down with hatred real hard ?
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570956]So I can jungle with Rhasta, Tusk, Mirana ,etc too ?
Come on, that was honest question.[/QUOTE]
Mirana: Buy 12 clarities, go to jungle.
Max starfall
Spam starfall as you stack
Tuskarr: Buy stout shield and quelling blade and some tangos/salve
Get one point in frost rune
Right click camps
Shadow Shaman: Stack camps until you are level 6 (Use console commands)
Use serpent wards
Cry as they instantly get destroyed.
[QUOTE=mixshifter;40570976]but it's true
there's nothing complex behind troll warlord, he's an autoattack-reliant beast and just tears through everything he comes in contact with. max everything besides your Q and attack jungle creeps. your ult has stupidly short CD so you can use it just to clear a camp faster[/QUOTE]
Items, what camps you can and not go for, can you stack, etc.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rarara;40570982]Mirana: Buy 12 clarities, go to jungle.
Max starfall
Spam starfall as you stack
Tuskarr: Buy stout shield and quelling blade and some tangos/salve
Get one point in frost rune
Right click camps
Shadow Shaman: Stack camps until you are level 6 (Use console commands)
Use serpent wards
Cry as they instantly get destroyed.[/QUOTE]
There is guy who has videos on how to jungle Rubick, Ancients level 1 ursa, jungle QoP, etc.
It's doable, it's Dota, but Troll has some leverage in form of his early AS steroid passive and high right-click damage, so I just need some pointers beside that.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570978]Can't I just stare them down with hatred real hard ?[/QUOTE]
No, that just make them feel uncomfortable.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570983]Items, what camps you can and not go for, can you stack, etc.[/QUOTE]
Helm of the Dominator and maxed Fervor is all you need to completely rule the jungle tbh, you can solo roshan with just those two conditions
get stout shield at level 1 and quickly upgrade to PMS, then phase boots, then HotD
don't know much about stacking though, but it's always best to go for small camps first so you can get some levels up before you take on bigger ones
[QUOTE=Tokagero;40570983]Items, what camps you can and not go for, can you stack, etc.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
There is guy who has videos on how to jungle Rubick, Ancients level 1 ursa, jungle QoP, etc.
It's doable, it's Dota, but Troll has some leverage in form of his early AS steroid passive and high right-click damage, so I just need some pointers beside that.[/QUOTE]
Rubick one was fixed IIRC
Ursa ancients related to courier right?
Never heard of jungle QoP but I am assuming it's like Storm Spirit.
[QUOTE=Zoran;40570451][img]http://puu.sh/2Ph70.png[/img]
This is a thing?[/QUOTE]
It is a playdota.com thing.
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=133498107#38214[/url]
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[img]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/560969911776493355/05B73188DDBB326391F04C821488E11290745F99/ [/img]
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[QUOTE=Regularjoe;40571169]It is a playdota.com thing.
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=133498107#38214[/url][/QUOTE]
I would ask what utter fucking retard wrote that, but I think "why the fuck do so many agree with it" is a better question. You have a passive that's literally all about farming, [b]why the fuck would Alch not be a ricing carry[/B].
[QUOTE=Rarara;40571032]Rubick one was fixed IIRC
Ursa ancients related to courier right?
Never heard of jungle QoP but I am assuming it's like Storm Spirit.[/QUOTE]
How was rubick fixed ? It was done by throwing big camp creep over the ledge (Radiant, bot T2 tower) and having it attract lane creeps when going back to camp around the T2 tower area.
QoP was actually cutting down trees and cliff-right-clicking.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40571245]I would ask what utter fucking retard wrote that, but I think "why the fuck do so many agree with it" is a better question. You have a passive that's literally all about farming, [b]why the fuck would Alch not be a ricing carry[/B].[/QUOTE]
Anti-carry items
An item that gives you +30% incoming damage from all sources
[QUOTE=Harpie;40570405]Orchids is very situational in my opinion, BH needs other heroes to help him out because his goal is do deal burst physical damage. It makes as much sense as TA building an Orchids, actually less sense because TA can benefit from the attack speed more[/QUOTE]
Orchid greatly enhances his own burst damage, prevents people with escapes (like AM) from escaping and prevents spell-based heroes like QoP/Storm Spirit/anysupportgoeshere from fighting back until they're almost dead already. It also solves all his mana problems. There's virtually no situation where Orchid is bad on him.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40571245]I would ask what utter fucking retard wrote that, but I think "why the fuck do so many agree with it" is a better question. You have a passive that's literally all about farming, [b]why the fuck would Alch not be a ricing carry[/B].[/QUOTE]
He's a ricing carry yes, but he also makes an amazing ganker.
it comes down to your team composition, if you already have a harder carry let him farm instead and go full ganker, or if your team can't defend themselves and could really use your help
[QUOTE=leonthefox;40571657]He's a ricing carry yes, but he also makes an amazing ganker.
it comes down to your team composition, if you already have a harder carry let him farm instead and go full ganker, or if your team can't defend themselves and could really use your help[/QUOTE]
If you've got a stronger carry sure, but the way that guide tries to hammer it home sounds like it's trying to make him out to be everything BUT a carry.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40571245]I would ask what utter fucking retard wrote that, but I think "why the fuck do so many agree with it" is a better question. You have a passive that's literally all about farming, [b]why the fuck would Alch not be a ricing carry[/B].[/QUOTE]
Alright, so Dota 2 is versatile as fuck, that build isnt so retarded if you can make it work, now im not saying alch shouldnt be a ricing carry but this guides build can work really well.
The issue is, retards try doing it, completely fuck up, and dont get it, its just a different way to play alch, its not as good as being a ricing carry, but it still works good if you are a good player because alch has one of the best stuns in the game if it lands.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40571245]I would ask what utter fucking retard wrote that, but I think "why the fuck do so many agree with it" is a better question. You have a passive that's literally all about farming, [b]why the fuck would Alch not be a ricing carry[/B].[/QUOTE]
doom has a gpm increase skill too but he makes a shitty carry
i agree alch does make an amazing ricer but you don't HAVE to use him that way. for example, get medallion and a quick shadowblade and you are a retardedly strong ganker. drop acid + medallion on someone and your bottle does [B]more than finger of death, every 17 seconds, at level 7.[/B] with power like that i could equally say "why the fuck wouldn't he be a ganker?"
"there is only one way to play X hero" is such a sad disease amongst the lower brackets :(
[QUOTE=Zoran;40570451][img]http://puu.sh/2Ph70.png[/img]
This is a thing?[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with it? Unstable is an amazing ability, acid is great for controlling the lane. I would take greed earlier too because of how I play Alch, but maxed early Unstable is great, as long as you don't blow it in your own face.
[QUOTE=Regularjoe;40571169]It is a playdota.com thing.
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=133498107#38214[/url][/QUOTE]
Does that really recommend building Dagon5, Refresher and Ethereal on Alchemist?
[B][I]Now[/I][/B] I've seen everything
I'd definitely take greed over acid if I was already maxing Unstable though.
Now that I think about it, I can see maxing acid or unstable, but both I dunno.
Doom can carry but it is not ideal.
But doom is really a big wild card that can go support, ganker or any role really.
I carried my team as doom many times.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;40571245]I would ask what utter fucking retard wrote that, but I think "why the fuck do so many agree with it" is a better question. You have a passive that's literally all about farming, [b]why the fuck would Alch not be a ricing carry[/B].[/QUOTE]
There is this one guy on the playdota forums who can and will argue for pages that Alchemist isn't a good carry. He's also an advocate of refresher Spectre and removing Skywrath entirely from Dota. Ironically, he's one of the few people there who sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
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I don't play alchemist at all, so I can't say too much.
[QUOTE=Prism;40571748]Does that really recommend building Dagon5, Refresher and Ethereal on Alchemist?
[B][I]Now[/I][/B] I've seen everything[/QUOTE]
Refresher is pushing and ethereal is rather dumb, given that Concoction deals Physical damage and the only magical damage Alch has is 1/2 of Acid Spray (composite).
+He has shit stat growth and building shitton of STR aint best for his kind of carry. Heart is solid, but more would be overkill.
But Dagon. Alch has his uber-farm, so if you go the kill-build of Concotion + Spray, dagon is doable in fairly quick time + GGreed to quickly get levels in it. Then Ethereal has a point, but still, it's a 1 trick pony that loses if enemy BKBs and dies to 1 stun.
[QUOTE=Regularjoe;40571787]There is this one guy on the playdota forums who can and will argue for pages that Alchemist isn't a good carry. He's also an advocate of refresher Spectre and removing Skywrath entirely from Dota. Ironically, he's one of the few people there who sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
I don't play alchemist at all, so I can't say too much.[/QUOTE]
Refresher + Radiance on spec is really legit, but trying to deny that Alch is a good carry is just retarded like hes trying to be a hipster about alch support working.
SWM is a solid hero maybe a bit too strong but he really isn't seen that much in tournaments yet and has a negative w/ll in pubs
[QUOTE=TehWoodPcker;40571838]Refresher + Radiance on spec is really legit, but trying to deny that Alch is a good carry is just retarded like hes trying to be a hipster about alch support working.
SWM is a solid hero maybe a bit too strong but he really isn't seen that much in tournaments yet and has a negative w/ll in pubs[/QUOTE]
Put Skywrath in a pub with OD.
The horror.
And what arguments does that guy have for removing a damn hero ? Rework, rebalance, but remove ?
[QUOTE=dual elites;40571721]doom has a gpm increase skill too but he makes a shitty carry
i agree alch does make an amazing ricer but you don't HAVE to use him that way. for example, get medallion and a quick shadowblade and you are a retardedly strong ganker. drop acid + medallion on someone and your bottle does [B]more than finger of death, every 17 seconds, at level 7.[/B] with power like that i could equally say "why the fuck wouldn't he be a ganker?"
"there is only one way to play X hero" is such a sad disease amongst the lower brackets :([/QUOTE]
That goes both ways. I have no issues with the guide's intentions, just that he STARTS with saying "Alch is not a ricing carry" which is fucking retarded. He can be played as a ganker too but to say he isn't a ricing carry (not saying that's the only way to play him) is flatout fucking retarded when he's got Greevil's Greed.
[QUOTE=Regularjoe;40571787]There is this one guy on the playdota forums who can and will argue for pages that Alchemist isn't a good carry. He's also an advocate of refresher Spectre and removing Skywrath entirely from Dota. Ironically, he's one of the few people there who sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
I don't play alchemist at all, so I can't say too much.[/QUOTE]
You are talking about clan_iraq, hes pretty fucking smart and real good at the game and generally comes up with weird ass builds that work.
Na'Vi pick Skywrath Mage and BB...
[url]http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/683-beyondthesummittv1[/url]
[QUOTE=alealienn;40571987]Na'Vi pick Skywrath Mage and BB...
[url]http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/683-beyondthesummittv1[/url][/QUOTE]
fnatic picked tree
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oh hey page king, have some media
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66313298/lel/reaction/Popeye.jpg[/IMG]
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