[QUOTE=lintz;46712693]i thought he became the patriarch[/QUOTE]
The Patriarch are clones of him. Chances are Kevin Clamley is either normal, simply just the original (non-)clone, or some kind of super patriarch I reckon.
WHERE ARE THE MIMES
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I'm still holding out hopes for Harold Lott for KF2. :v:
From the Killing Floor wiki:
[quote]Kevin Clamely, the Patriarch's original identity, was the CEO and founder of Horzine Biotech, the company responsible for the outbreak in London. He was hired by the government to create the perfect soldier—something that wouldn't experience pain or fear, and wouldn't question or reason. London was to be used as a staging ground—a test of Horzine's accomplishments. Kevin thought of the clones as his "children" and "family" because they were the only companions he had left.
Sergeant Masterson was Horzine's last project before the outbreak. He escaped from the Biotics Labs below the city through the sewer system to the city above, hoping that he could rebel against his mad creators. Sadly, this is what Kevin wanted all along; Masterson led his soldiers into combat, and they were killed just as Kevin had planned. With the British Disaster Response Force eliminated, nobody could stand in the way of the clones.
Horzine's methods were deemed too immoral even for such a controversial project, and were shut down. However, the project didn't want to be shut down. In a second complex deep underneath the city of London, the experiments continued.
Eventually, he realised that his work was in jeopardy. His scientists were leaving and he feared that someone may reveal his secret work to a world that wouldn't understand or even allow it. In a final act to save his dream, he asked the remaining scientists to take the most advanced pieces of technology at their disposal, and use the methods they had perfected over the course of their work to implant them into him:
An updated version of the cloaking device used on project Stalker
Three modified neuro-stimulation systems similar to those used on project Guardian
A nerve-controlled weapons platform on his left arm.
Finally, he underwent the same "gene-enhancing" process that all the specimens underwent, but with all the safeties off and the process running at full capacity. As Kevin walked out of the test chamber, he knew he had become as perfect as any human could hope to be.
When humans started murdering his "children", he knew that it was time to take the fight to them. Armies fell before him, none seemed to be able to kill him, or even harm him. He would continue his work alone, and create and protect more of his specimens until the day someone could finally work out how to kill him.[/quote]
So unless he wasn't ever really killed in the first game, or there's multiple patriarchs (clones), how did enough specimens get created to overrun all of Europe?
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46712426]Attempts on making supersoldiers, clot and siren based on patriarchs wife and son, Patriarch is a clone of Kevin Clamely, who is still on the run and very much alive apparently.[/QUOTE]
What reason is there to believe there are clones? Only evidence I can find points to Kevin Clamely being [i]the[/i] Patriarch.
[QUOTE=jazxsora;46717806]
So unless he wasn't ever really killed in the first game, or there's multiple patriarchs (clones), how did enough specimens get created to overrun all of Europe?[/QUOTE]
According to wiki he had already created enough specimens and used them to beat several armies before anyone could stop him. I guess it's up to KF2's lore if Kevin being killed in the first game isn't canon, if there are clones or if something else is going on.
There can't be only one patriarch you fight 2 patriarchs at once on transit. Pretty sure they tell you that all the previous patriarchs were clones at some point on that map.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;46718181]What reason is there to believe there are clones? Only evidence I can find points to Kevin Clamely being [i]the[/i] Patriarch.
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Aside from Transit as chonks pointed out, if each map was considered a separate, canon incident/breakout, then how could the Patriarch show up to each one if he has already been killed.
But I think the 2 patriarchs on transit is stronger evidence, and the fact that after you kill them I'm pretty sure Rachel says that Kevin managed to get away and left his clones behind or something to that effect.
[QUOTE=chonks;46719058]There can't be only one patriarch you fight 2 patriarchs at once on transit. Pretty sure they tell you that all the previous patriarchs were clones at some point on that map.[/QUOTE]
His daughter directly says this; there are clones of him as well as multiple types of clones of everything else. Horzine had plenty of time to weaponize and variate everything before shit hit the fan.
Starting to think we won't get a dev diary this month
It's alright I guess, the PS4 teaser had a lot of information to digest
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46712426]Attempts on making supersoldiers, clot and siren based on patriarchs wife and son, Patriarch is a clone of Kevin Clamely, who is still on the run and very much alive apparently.[/QUOTE]
Masterson is also a clone
[QUOTE=Talishmar;46718181]What reason is there to believe there are clones? Only evidence I can find points to Kevin Clamely being [i]the[/i] Patriarch.
According to wiki he had already created enough specimens and used them to beat several armies before anyone could stop him. I guess it's up to KF2's lore if Kevin being killed in the first game isn't canon, if there are clones or if something else is going on.[/QUOTE]
Be-..because there are two of them on Transit?
Honestly the story is whack now so it's not really worth reading too much into it.
For example
Lt Masterson as we know him, was a Sgt in the mod and an all round bad guy. IIRC he intentionally led his men on a suicide mission with the intent of getting them killed cause he was really a Horzine clone, and as such the mod culminated with him being the final boss in the Bioticslabs sewer. Ironically he was not that far removed from the Patriarch cause he had a tonne of health and used a minigun.
LT Mastersons retail backstory hints to the characters roots in the mod but that's about it, you can make up a whole bunch of fannon for who he is, how he survived, if he's the original or another clone and no one can call it bullshit.
So with that in mind, i write all the previous story off as bollocks and start from transit map and what it told me. There was an outbreak, Keven started it, he's a bad dude, cloned a load of shit and himself, ran away to france to eat some garlic.
I had no idea Lt Masterson was a clone. I thought you guys were talking about Security Officer Thorne.
[QUOTE=The DooD;46724582]I had no idea Lt Masterson was a clone. I thought you guys were talking about Security Officer Thorne.[/QUOTE]
IIRC Masterson in retail was an attempted clone of Kevin's (The Patriarch's) son. His bio hints at it mentioning his non-existent military history and how quickly he managed to land the role of Lieutenant.
I can't be sure but I think Wilkes was a clone from someone as well. I'm not sure about Thorne, although he is wearing the same clothing as Wilkes.
iirc, thorne isn't a clone, he's just an escaped experiment
Lets not forget they have said that the maps for KF2 will be somewhat involved in the story but you'll have to search for the connections.
[QUOTE=lintz;46725698]iirc, thorne isn't a clone, he's just an escaped experiment[/QUOTE]
Wilkes and Thorne are very likely high level zeds, since apparently being a psychopath put you really high on Horzine's employment list .
I thought Wilkes was a special agent who commandeered Horzine body armor.
I didn't know these games had any sort of story :v:
[QUOTE=paul simon;46728002]I didn't know these games had any sort of story :v:[/QUOTE]
Wafer Thin Story.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46727185]I thought Wilkes was a special agent who commandeered Horzine body armor.[/QUOTE]
He is; everyone who started out human except for masterson, they may not have stayed that way.
I kinda hope Tripwire adds in Objective mode again for KF2, but this time make it a bit more polished.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;46728012]Wafer Thin Story.[/QUOTE]
It's actually got a decent amount of depth to it, a lot more than you'd think at first. It's just a lot of it is very hard to find, especially in the stock assets of the game.
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;46729740]I kinda hope Tripwire adds in Objective mode again for KF2, but this time make it a bit more polished.[/QUOTE]
Its a smarter move if they did.
I'm sure more people would stick to their game if it had something to do other than surviving the horde.
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;46729754]It's actually got a decent amount of depth to it, a lot more than you'd think at first. It's just a lot of it is very hard to find, especially in the stock assets of the game.[/QUOTE]
Nah, it really is wafer thin, all you get is some info from some of the character bio's in the selection screen, some of the map info on the idle screen at the start, some patriarch lines and what ever happens in Transit Objective mode. The mod story imo has been 'rewritten' by the retail version imo.
Everything else is just pure fannon to join the dots and fill in the blanks, not that i have a problem with it mind, it makes for interesting reading every so often.
[QUOTE=27X;46729265]He is; everyone who started out human except for masterson, they may not have stayed that way.[/QUOTE]
imagine if killing floor 2 turns out to be an existentialist indie art game on the preceding essence of life in a post-cloning cyberpunk society
[QUOTE=Cone;46730829]imagine if killing floor 2 turns out to be an existentialist indie art game on the preceding essence of life in a post-cloning cyberpunk society[/QUOTE]
please god no.
[QUOTE=Cone;46730829]imagine if killing floor 2 turns out to be an existentialist indie art game on the preceding essence of life in a post-cloning cyberpunk society[/QUOTE]
I have no clue what you said but it made me angry
I really hope Tripwire does a whole bunch of cool viral marketing stuff for this game. Maybe stuff like a Horzine website and Biocola ads appearing everywhere.
Also I have yet to see anyone talk about the live action Killing Floor short. Is anyone else excited for it?
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;46731180]I really hope Tripwire does a whole bunch of cool viral marketing stuff for this game. Maybe stuff like a Horzine website and Biocola ads appearing everywhere.
Also I have yet to see anyone talk about the live action Killing Floor short. Is anyone else excited for it?[/QUOTE]
I'm not, but that's just because I don't like horror. I will probably still watch it though.
[QUOTE=Cone;46730829]imagine if killing floor 2 turns out to be an existentialist indie art game on the preceding essence of life in a post-cloning cyberpunk society[/QUOTE]
Ironman17 isn't writing the story though o_-
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