Metal Gear Solid - VIIII - A Hideo Kojima Thread - PLAY THEM ALL IN RELEASE ORDER - Games

[QUOTE=JesterUK;48081817]why couldn't Liquid possess somebody who wasn't Ocelot he's my favourite character and being possessed means he just isn't around at all in mgs4[/QUOTE] liquid ocelot is one of the top reasons why ocelot is the best though

[QUOTE=elowin;48081904]liquid ocelot is one of the top reasons why ocelot is the best though[/QUOTE] hey I never said he was bad [sp]he's pretty good[/sp]

Honestly, having Liquid fake his death and putting him in Ocelot's place would have minimally changed the story. You can still have Ocelot's ruses, just keep him as Liquid's right hand man (pun may or may not be intended).

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48081944]Honestly, having Liquid fake his death and putting him in Ocelot's place would have minimally changed the story. You can still have Ocelot's ruses, just keep him as Liquid's right hand man (pun may or may not be intended).[/QUOTE] but like half of ocelots ruses is that he was really just pretending to be [del]retarded[/del][sp]liquid[/sp] all along

tbh, ocelot should have stopped the whole warmongering business and taken up impersonation his impression of liquid in mgs2 is spot on

[QUOTE=Marzipas;48082007]tbh, ocelot should have stopped the whole warmongering business and taken up impersonation his impression of liquid in mgs2 is spot on[/QUOTE] But he was being possessed in MGS2.

I'm still mad Cam Clarke didn't come back for MGS4.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48082019]But he was being possessed in MGS2.[/QUOTE] [sp]he was never possessed it was [del]retconned[/del] a clever ruse[/sp]

The whole thing about Ocelot being possessed by Liquid is false, it's all nanomachines and mind therapy.

[QUOTE=elowin;48082275][sp]he was never possessed it was [del]retconned[/del] a clever ruse[/sp][/QUOTE] The wiki claims [sp]he was originally being possessed so he removed the arm and did psychotherapy instead[/sp] but I'm inclined to believe that's a fan interpretation purely to explain the [sp]bionic arm in MGS4[/sp] and that it really was a ruse all along. Cuz otherwise the idea that [sp]Liquid could actually possess someone via his severed arm[/sp] is pretty stupid, even in the world of Metal Gear. Not to mention the plot convience of [sp]using Liquid's arm instead of one of the various dead genome soldiers' arms or literally anyone else's[/sp] doesn't make much sense unless [sp]Ocelot was planning the ruse[/sp] all along.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48082319]Cuz otherwise the idea that [sp]Liquid could actually possess someone via his severed arm[/sp] is pretty stupid, even in the world of Metal Gear. Not to mention the plot convience of [sp]using Liquid's arm instead of one of the various dead genome soldiers' arms or literally anyone else's[/sp] doesn't make much sense unless [sp]Ocelot was planning the ruse[/sp] all along.[/QUOTE] [sp]Nanomachines.[/sp] [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=tempunary;48082235]I'm still mad Cam Clarke didn't come back for MGS4.[/QUOTE] They should have fused his voice with Patric Zimmerman's for some of the final scenes, like Liquid struggling to keep control of Ocelot's body. [sp]Goddamn, I hate that retcon so much.[/sp]

[QUOTE=tempunary;48082235]I'm still mad Cam Clarke didn't come back for MGS4.[/QUOTE] That would have made MGS4 better than TPP, and we can't have that. DON'T SAY IT WOULDN'T. You know damn well it would..

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48082319]The wiki claims [sp]he was originally being possessed so he removed the arm and did psychotherapy instead[/sp] but I'm inclined to believe that's a fan interpretation purely to explain the [sp]bionic arm in MGS4[/sp] and that it really was a ruse all along. Cuz otherwise the idea that [sp]Liquid could actually possess someone via his severed arm[/sp] is pretty stupid, even in the world of Metal Gear. Not to mention the plot convience of [sp]using Liquid's arm instead of one of the various dead genome soldiers' arms or literally anyone else's[/sp] doesn't make much sense unless [sp]Ocelot was planning the ruse[/sp] all along.[/QUOTE] [sp]BB basically goes "lol you really thought he was being possessed that's impossible you retard" during the end sequence in MGS 4 which does beg the question of how the fuck he fooled the patriots into thinking that was the case if it's literally impossible[/sp]

[QUOTE=Hosenfuhrer;48082276][sp]The whole thing about Ocelot being possessed by Liquid is false, it's all nanomachines and mind therapy.[/sp][/QUOTE] oh my god there's been so many people over the last few pages mentioning that they're just getting into the games and saw untagged spoilers, is it so hard to just type some letters

[QUOTE=Hosenfuhrer;48082276]The whole thing about Ocelot being possessed by Liquid is false, it's all nanomachines and mind therapy.[/QUOTE] NO IT'S NOT SHUT UP

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48082319]The wiki claims [sp]he was originally being possessed so he removed the arm and did psychotherapy instead[/sp] but I'm inclined to believe that's a fan interpretation purely to explain the [sp]bionic arm in MGS4[/sp] and that it really was a ruse all along. Cuz otherwise the idea that [sp]Liquid could actually possess someone via his severed arm[/sp] is pretty stupid, even in the world of Metal Gear. Not to mention the plot convience of [sp]using Liquid's arm instead of one of the various dead genome soldiers' arms or literally anyone else's[/sp] doesn't make much sense unless [sp]Ocelot was planning the ruse[/sp] all along.[/QUOTE] See that makes sense because [sp]taking down the patriots and freeing the soldiers who are now subservient to the SOP system kinda is in keeping with Big Bosses ideals, if Revolver pretend to be Liquid in order to fool the patriots/ruse cruse solid into bringing sown the patriots it sounds like he was still trying to fight for Big Bosses cause.[/sp]

oh my god the peace walker boss battle 2 is fucking awful everything goes fine until that bitch decides to go into nuke mode with 10% health left and never fucking bulge even if i fire my whole arsenal of rocket launchers at the god damn pod it happened to me 4 times now, and that's 4 times 30 minutes of my life wasted because she likes to take her sweet time strolling around the place while i can't even fire anything because EM PULSE i am angry about giant robots

[QUOTE=CompanionMube;48082693]oh my god the peace walker boss battle 2 is fucking awful everything goes fine until that bitch decides to go into nuke mode with 10% health left and never fucking bulge even if i fire my whole arsenal of rocket launchers at the god damn pod it happened to me 4 times now, and that's 4 times 30 minutes of my life wasted because she likes to take her sweet time strolling around the place while i can't even fire anything because EM PULSE i am angry about giant robots[/QUOTE] Are you playing on an emulator? I ran into that issue and my solution was using a one hit kill hack just to get past it.

[QUOTE=CompanionMube;48082693]oh my god the peace walker boss battle 2 is fucking awful everything goes fine until that bitch decides to go into nuke mode with 10% health left and never fucking bulge even if i fire my whole arsenal of rocket launchers at the god damn pod it happened to me 4 times now, and that's 4 times 30 minutes of my life wasted because she likes to take her sweet time strolling around the place while i can't even fire anything because EM PULSE i am angry about giant robots[/QUOTE] it's an emulation problem, use the 1hko hack and you'll pass it

[QUOTE=CompanionMube;48082693]oh my god the peace walker boss battle 2 is fucking awful everything goes fine until that bitch decides to go into nuke mode with 10% health left and never fucking bulge even if i fire my whole arsenal of rocket launchers at the god damn pod it happened to me 4 times now, and that's 4 times 30 minutes of my life wasted because she likes to take her sweet time strolling around the place while i can't even fire anything because EM PULSE i am angry about giant robots[/QUOTE] i dig giant robots chicks dig giant robots you dig giant robots

[QUOTE=elowin;48082448][sp]BB basically goes "lol you really thought he was being possessed that's impossible you retard" during the end sequence in MGS 4 which does beg the question of how the fuck he fooled the patriots into thinking that was the case if it's literally impossible[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The Patriots are just machines who follow patterns and etc. I don't think the AI was made to question things; simply respond appropriately to what IS. And to the Patriots, Liquid was there and the pattern suggested sending Solid to stop him.[/sp] I am going to full heartedly accept this retcon for this reason.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48082319]The wiki claims [sp]he was originally being possessed so he removed the arm and did psychotherapy instead[/sp] but I'm inclined to believe that's a fan interpretation purely to explain the [sp]bionic arm in MGS4[/sp] and that it really was a ruse all along. Cuz otherwise the idea that [sp]Liquid could actually possess someone via his severed arm[/sp] is pretty stupid, even in the world of Metal Gear. Not to mention the plot convience of [sp]using Liquid's arm instead of one of the various dead genome soldiers' arms or literally anyone else's[/sp] doesn't make much sense unless [sp]Ocelot was planning the ruse[/sp] all along.[/QUOTE] [sp]Ocelot inherited his father's ghost genes that allowed him to be possessed. That's why he's voiced by Cam Clarke in MGS2 and not in MGS4.[/sp] [url]http://i.imgur.com/DPKmFkR.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/xLOr897.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=elowin;48082941]i dig giant robots chicks dig giant robots you dig giant robots[/QUOTE] *Rose to Snake* "Snake, your vitals are showing a lot of stress, what is going on with you?" Otacon: "Shut up Rose, Coo---err, I mean, Snake is piloting MY robot!" Snake: "Dammit Otacon! Why do all the buttons either say rockets and more rockets or say 'pounding n' stomping'?!"

MGS XLR needs to be a thing now

yeah fuck it i just used a cheat that S rank is legit i swear

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48082319]The wiki claims [sp]he was originally being possessed so he removed the arm and did psychotherapy instead[/sp] but I'm inclined to believe that's a fan interpretation purely to explain the [sp]bionic arm in MGS4[/sp] and that it really was a ruse all along. Cuz otherwise the idea that [sp]Liquid could actually possess someone via his severed arm[/sp] is pretty stupid, even in the world of Metal Gear. Not to mention the plot convience of [sp]using Liquid's arm instead of one of the various dead genome soldiers' arms or literally anyone else's[/sp] doesn't make much sense unless [sp]Ocelot was planning the ruse[/sp] all along.[/QUOTE] Except thats the entire reason why [sp]his father is the Sorrow.[/sp]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48083229]Except thats the entire reason why [sp]his father is the Sorrow.[/sp][/QUOTE] That was in MGS3 as a kind of "Here's your little explanation now go away" but then MGS4 was made and [sp]Big Boss explained it was never Liquid. When he explains the whole psychotherapy and nanomachines gag one of the flashbacks is to MGS2, so whilst it was previously intended as possession it was retconned/*elaborated upon* as Ocelot's plan all along.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48083294]That was in MGS3 as a kind of "Here's your little explanation now go away" but then MGS4 was made and [sp]Big Boss explained it was never Liquid. When he explains the whole psychotherapy and nanomachines gag one of the flashbacks is to MGS2, so whilst it was previously intended as possession it was retconned/*elaborated upon* as Ocelot's plan all along.[/sp][/QUOTE] What most fans seem to agree on now is that [sp]Ocelot WAS possessed/fighting possession in MGS2 as part of a long-term plan, and then he swapped the arm out for a synthetic limb by MGS4 and faked Liquid being in control all game long while no one was the wiser. It only becomes really apparent in the final fight when you see him take his coat off and see the fake arm in all of its length, followed by beating the 'Liquid' out of him until he eventually reverts back to his Ocelot persona.[/sp]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48083229]Except thats the entire reason why [sp]his father is the Sorrow.[/sp][/QUOTE] Fucking just let me have this

[QUOTE=RikohZX;48083325]What most fans seem to agree on now is that [sp]Ocelot WAS possessed/fighting possession in MGS2 as part of a long-term plan, and then he swapped the arm out for a synthetic limb by MGS4 and faked Liquid being in control all game long while no one was the wiser. It only becomes really apparent in the final fight when you see him take his coat off and see the fake arm in all of its length, followed by beating the 'Liquid' out of him until he eventually reverts back to his Ocelot persona.[/sp][/QUOTE] But if you watch [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7p7hOltWLg&feature=youtu.be&t=345]this[/url] (5:45) it's clear that [sp]Big Boss is saying that even MGS2 "Liquid" was just part of Ocelot's act. Thanks to MGS4 Liquid didn't die off-screen in-universe, but he did to us the audience. Pretty cheap really.[/sp]