[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;40531514]Batrider is literally broken he has some kind of a bug where he gets flying vision in spots he shouldn't[/QUOTE]
When he isn't flying? Then that is broken, but if you mean when he is using firefly, I think it is normal for him to have sight over all areas, including rosh pit
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;40531559]When he isn't flying? Then that is broken, but if you mean when he is using firefly, I think it is normal for him to have sight over all areas, including rosh pit[/QUOTE]
He is supposed to have flying vision, but he also loses vision while flying, like his vision range goes from 1800-1200 when flying;.
In dota 2 its still 1800
Problem with PL is that he's just as pubstompy as BloodSeeker without being totally shut down by 135 gold.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
Not really overpowered but putting PL against inexperienced people is like putting Pugna against Skywrath.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40531178]He hasnt seemed funny to me in a while, dont know why.[/QUOTE]
Pflax started off being funny, but when he became popular, he stopped being funny and just trying too hard to make you crack up, it just annoyed you.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40531178]Also this video just reeks of the fucking retarded "PL is the most broken hero" circlejerk when its not even true and everyone blows that shit out of proportion.
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It's a hero whose agility growth is equivalent to the date of National Weed Day, what did you expect?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40531178]
[B]Batrider[/B] and Nyx are like 100x worse.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me, what the hell are you talking about?
I'm in the Very High bracket at the moment, and currently I'd rather see a PL than a Batrider, he's just so God damn powerful at all points in the game, especially early.
Maybe it's because I only play hard carries and a PL rarely ever can out carry the heroes I play as, but I haven't lost to a real cancer-lancer recently.
I still don't think anyone even knows how to play PL well enough to make him broken as shit besides Aui who plays him like the biggest pussy ever, which is what you're supposed to do
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;40532118]I still don't think anyone even knows how to play PL well enough to make him broken as shit besides Aui who plays him like the biggest pussy ever, which is what you're supposed to do[/QUOTE]
Phantom Lancer can basically just play the game by not being in any fight ever and still contribute more than the vast majority of all other heroes. In teamfights you just spam illusions everywhere so that it's a clusterfuck (you might as well be dealing AoE damage), while you go devour their towers while everyone else is busy fighting.
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
Split push and take towers without ever being there, etc.
[QUOTE=maxumym;40532081]Excuse me, what the hell are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
Im talking about a hero with a mechanically broken spell that reduces the already slow turn rate of heroes by 70% on all levels.
[sp]70%[/sp]
If a PL is ever in a real fight then someone like Faceless will just outright murder him on the spot.
[QUOTE=Nelth;40529331][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwlfEAH7vsI[/media][/QUOTE]
It wasn't really bad or anything, but I can't help but to laugh when I hear the most used Two Steps from Hell songs in anything.
It's just so goddamn funny to me, don't know why.
[QUOTE=maxumym;40532081]Excuse me, what the hell are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
batrider is venge without the suicidal drawback. who also wins basically every mid matchup. as well as being a dandy offlaner. and he can also jungle ludicrously quickly.
also this is the media thread and i'm lost again
[QUOTE=Hellmouth;40533328]batrider is venge without the suicidal drawback. who also wins basically every mid matchup. as well as being a dandy offlaner. and he can also jungle ludicrously quickly.
also this is the media thread and i'm lost again[/QUOTE]
Looking at batriders changelog, he hasn't been changed very drastically so far
well aside from this
- Turn rate improved from 0.4 to 1.0
i've only been playing for a few months now, so was this guy always a top pick/ban for the last few years?
(that turn rate is insane, it's the highest, isn't it?)
oh and sorry for ot and no media
he wasn't picked for a while because his sticky napalm was broken in dota 2 (it didn't stack properly). then they fixed that up, and on top of that he got buffed in 6.75.
[URL="http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395166"]he used to hit even harder in dota 1 though.[/URL] 70 base damage, wooo
[img]http://i.imgur.com/XL9hkur.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;40532160]If a PL is ever in a real fight then someone like Faceless will just outright murder him on the spot.[/QUOTE]
I've seen captain diceroll lose out before. If he's forced to pop chrono early he can be overwhelmed if he doesn't dodge or bash enough.
Both these heroes are really dependant on their teams for most of the game though, so really whoever had the best team backing them up will probably be the victor.
[QUOTE=Hilarious Pill;40534164][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XL9hkur.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[I]"mmmmm, like honey from the comb"[/I]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40532156]Im talking about a hero with a mechanically broken spell that reduces the already slow turn rate of heroes by 70% on all levels.
[sp]70%[/sp][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call it OP, sure it's annoying but you could always just buy a wand and attack him back before he stacks up the napalm.
[QUOTE=Tiesieman;40533590]Looking at batriders changelog, he hasn't been changed very drastically so far
well aside from this
- Turn rate improved from 0.4 to 1.0
i've only been playing for a few months now, so was this guy always a top pick/ban for the last few years?
(that turn rate is insane, it's the highest, isn't it?)
oh and sorry for ot and no media[/QUOTE]
Batrider was underpowered because he sucked, then they buffed him and now he's top pick and best hero ever.
pretty sure Batrider had a 100% pick/ban rate recently
i disagree with nerfing heroes in general but holy fuck that turn rate debuff is irritating to play against
70% movement slow at level one, reminds you of another top pick/ban hero eh?
[QUOTE=Shibbey;40534255]I've seen captain diceroll lose out before. If he's forced to pop chrono early he can be overwhelmed if he doesn't dodge or bash enough.
Both these heroes are really dependant on their teams for most of the game though, so really whoever had the best team backing them up will probably be the victor.[/QUOTE]
When someone picks void it's like putting a laoded gun with dodgy trigger on the tilt-a-whirl.
You have NO idea who's day it's going to ruin or even if.
plus Void doesn't have the push power that PL does, if PL avoids him entirely and spends his farm on pushing then Void can't just insta-win against him
[QUOTE=Harpie;40534892]70% movement slow at level one, reminds you of another top pick/ban hero eh?[/QUOTE]
70% turn rate slow.
3% MS slow per stack, up to 10 stacks. Speaking of which, they need to update the tooltip so it says that the MS slow stacks as well. Right now the way it's worded makes it sound like only the damage stacks.
He's a lot more prominent now that the meta game has changed, it's really based around magic immunity and countering it now
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;40534942]I can't even remember why he was considered underpowered. All he got was a few minor tweaks to make him better at what he does. (cast point buff and Firefly flames not disappearing on death for example) The only major buff he got was increased strength gain and I'm pretty sure it could go back to 2.0 or at least 2.1 and he wouldn't be any worse. The 2.7 strength gain he had for a while just encouraged people to actually try him and when he lost it, nobody really cared. He was still a top tier initiator and fit in almost every situation, be it jungle, mid or offlane.[/QUOTE]
Also the turn rate buff helped him a lot. IIRC Back in DotA his turn rate was bugged and he was much quicker than he was supposed to be. That didn't happen in 2, and that did hurt his ulti a bit.
[QUOTE=Hilarious Pill;40534164][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XL9hkur.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
For some reason, I read Roshan's text in the voice of Brock Sampson.
[QUOTE=Harpie;40534892]70% movement slow at level one, reminds you of another top pick/ban hero eh?[/QUOTE]
its not a movement slow, its a turn rate slow
he has to stack it for it to slow your movement speed
you basically cant turn when its on you tho
I think the best solution would be to make it:
A. He needs to stack napalm for the turn rate slow to increase, just like his normal slow
B. Remove it in general (Dunno if this would be the best solution, but let's be honest. 70% is way too much. I had to play ZEUS mid vs batrider once. I couldn't turn at all.)
i mixed my words
its still annoying as shit,it may aswell be a stun seeing as it takes you over a second to go back the other way
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
i think scaling the movement slow is fine
Sorry if this was already posted.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ObEZGKwb0[/media]
I made a little Alchemist guide to help me with some specifics. Tried to make a guide through the website and made an icon for it - Realized that if I wanted to make a hero guide with skills and items I had to do it through the game.
I did use it for my own avatar here on FP mainly because I need a new one, but you guys can have it too.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7C1egD3.png[/IMG]
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