[QUOTE=Kybalt;46522244]Yeah but because of the distortion effects, upscaling is super worth it. Even with the DK1, even though it was a 720p screen, the difference between 720p and downscaled 1080p was night and day.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if that would be necessary in the case of 1440p screens. The increased DPI, especially on a screen that small, might be enough to negate the screen door effect.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;46522244]Yeah but because of the distortion effects, upscaling is super worth it. Even with the DK1, even though it was a 720p screen, the difference between 720p and downscaled 1080p was night and day.[/QUOTE]
No amount of up scaling is going to get rid of the screen door effect.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;46522273]I wonder if that would be necessary in the case of 1440p screens. The increased DPI, especially on a screen that small, might be enough to negate the screen door effect.[/QUOTE]
It isn't even about the screen door effect guys. I find it helps with things staying still correctly when you move your head (assuming you can maintain 75 fps).
[QUOTE=Orkel;46521115][url]http://www.feelthree.com/2014/11/2560-x-1440-wqhd-80fps-hand-input-for-oculus-cv1/[/url]
[url]http://spectra7.com/S7-VR7050-Press-Release-20141008-F4.pdf[/url]
[url]http://web.tmxmoney.com/article.php?newsid=70866748&qm_symbol=SEV[/url]
Something/someone has ordered 500,000 of these chips. Seems likely it might be in the CV1. The timeframe matches, the facts match (oculus is working on their own input system for CV1) and the amounts match (500k CV1s is completely feasible)[/QUOTE]
I'm reminded of the opening chapters to Jurassic Park, where they're wondering who/why the fuck is buying up the world's supply of amber and artificial eggshell technology.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;46522662]It isn't even about the screen door effect guys. I find it helps with things staying still correctly when you move your head (assuming you can maintain 75 fps).[/QUOTE]
There are some cheaper methods of achieving that effect without supersampling / downsampling. Temporal SMAA being one of those effects.
I'm not up to date on the latest hardware specs or anything like that, so gimme a break here, but will a Radeon R9 270 be adequate enough for most Oculus Rift applications? I bought this graphics card at the beginning of the year, but still haven't been able to use it. My motherboard and processor aren't compatible, which I knew when buying it. I figured I'd be able to order the rest of the bits my computer needed within a couple of months, but obviously that hasn't quite worked out.
Now, almost a full year later, I'm looking at a whole new line of graphics cards and whatnot, and fearing that I missed the period where this thing would really shine. Put my fears to rest? Is this thing still gonna do alright once I'm [I]finally[/I] able to afford my new parts?
...I don't know. The r9 270 is reportedly on-par with my HD 7870, and I can't push higher than 60 on modern games with an average hitting ~45-50fps. However, that might be tied to my slower processor (FX 6100 OC to 4 GHz). Tom's Hardware had a comparison done a while ago.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/G1H6Nhu.png[/img]
(Done on an i5 2550k processor OC at 4.2GHz)
[QUOTE=Daemon White;46523995]...I don't know. The r9 270 is reportedly on-par with my HD 7870, and I can't push higher than 60 on modern games with an average hitting ~45-50fps. However, that might be tied to my slower processor (FX 6100 OC to 4 GHz). Tom's Hardware had a comparison done a while ago.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/G1H6Nhu.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Yay my 650 ti boost still holds up
[QUOTE=Daemon White;46523995]...I don't know. The r9 270 is reportedly on-par with my HD 7870, and I can't push higher than 60 on modern games with an average hitting ~45-50fps. However, that might be tied to my slower processor (FX 6100 OC to 4 GHz). Tom's Hardware had a comparison done a while ago.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/G1H6Nhu.png[/img]
(Done on an i5 2550k processor OC at 4.2GHz)[/QUOTE]
You're getting 45-50 FPS on ultra settings in the rift, you mean? Because that's pretty alright by me. I mean, I [I]guess[/I] I could buy a newer card, but it'd be such a total waste to have bought this one for nothing. Haven't even gotten to use the damn thing yet!
[editline]19th November 2014[/editline]
If I stick with the Radeon, what's a solid motherboard/processor combo I could get to run with it? I can't even remember the parts I had originally wanted!
[editline]19th November 2014[/editline]
Here's my quick stab at things. Whatcha think?
[url]http://amzn.com/w/S9QOW6Y26LOT[/url]
I already have the other components. Hard drive, disc drive, power supply, etc. I have a case, too, so it's not totally necessary to upgrade, but I would definitely like to. If I can save money anywhere without sacrificing performance, please do let me know! Also, if I've fucked up compatibility somewhere, please do let me know. I was seventeen when I built my computer. Twenty-three now. This is long overdue.
I have an R9 270, and I think 60 on modern games at max settings is without the Rift.
It's a good card, but it's not $399 good.
The graphical throughput the Rift requires pumped out is greater than a normal monitor, and the refresh rate minimum is even higher to avoid disrupting presence and making the experience feel uncomfortable.
Basically, BDA, unless you're getting a DK2 and mission-critical Rift things need to happen, I wouldn't worry about upgrading your card right now. Once you get your build together, enjoy it for your games, it'll hold its own easily if you can handle not running at max everything all the time. When you're looking at a Rift coming into the house, worry about getting a card to power it. The choices should be much better then.
On the topic of your build, that looks pretty decent. I'd suggest getting a Z97 board and an i5-4690K if you can, but your build will get you solid gaming performance.
I can run the Star Citizen hangar at about 40fps on Very High at 1680x1050, and that's in its unoptimized current state. Aside from the desperate lack of integrated AA and needed performance optimizations when turning the camera left/right, it runs fine.
I'd try and make sure you get a motherboard that supports Intel Quick Sync, because then you can use it for hardware accelerated video capture with almost zero CPU overhead (I can record Star Citizen at its 40fps with virtually no impact) for recording or streaming. If the mobo supports it, you just get the feature for free (the CPU has it).
Well, considering that the Rift is a very big part of why I'm upgrading, I'm a bit bummed that you don't think this card will cut the cake! Will that Z97 likely hold up for some time, as far as future graphics cards go? I don't want to invest this much money into a new motherboard and processor if I'll just have to swap them out in six months to support the new generation of GPU's anyway.
Wait until the CV1 comes out (or the details are announced) before deciding what to upgrade to. The R9 270 is not strong enough for the CV1, it's even below recommended card to the DK2 (GTX 770)
don't bother upgrading till we start getting <28nm cards I'd say
[QUOTE=Beacon;46525963]don't bother upgrading till we start getting <28nm cards I'd say[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they'll be available at CV1 launch or soon after, there's well enough time left still.
Bummer.
[QUOTE=Orkel;46526156]I'm sure they'll be available at CV1 launch or soon after, there's well enough time left still.[/QUOTE]
yeah exactly, nvidia's <28nm is coming next year so it's gonna be pre-CV1
What about a second Radeon? Would that tip the scales? It'd be worth buying a second if it meant not having completely wasted my money on this one. This really stinks.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46524092]You're getting 45-50 FPS on ultra settings in the rift, you mean? Because that's pretty alright by me. I mean, I [I]guess[/I] I could buy a newer card, but it'd be such a total waste to have bought this one for nothing. Haven't even gotten to use the damn thing yet!
[editline]19th November 2014[/editline]
If I stick with the Radeon, what's a solid motherboard/processor combo I could get to run with it? I can't even remember the parts I had originally wanted!
[editline]19th November 2014[/editline]
Here's my quick stab at things. Whatcha think?
[url]http://amzn.com/w/S9QOW6Y26LOT[/url]
I already have the other components. Hard drive, disc drive, power supply, etc. I have a case, too, so it's not totally necessary to upgrade, but I would definitely like to. If I can save money anywhere without sacrificing performance, please do let me know! Also, if I've fucked up compatibility somewhere, please do let me know. I was seventeen when I built my computer. Twenty-three now. This is long overdue.[/QUOTE]Although remember that you need to look at 1440p benchmarks for more accurate performance with DK2's. The barrel distortion has the side effect of having to render at about 1.4x of the display resolution, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;46524092]You're getting 45-50 FPS on ultra settings in the rift, you mean?[/QUOTE]
No, I don't have a Rift. I'm using a 1920x1080 60Hz screen. If you haven't used the 270 yet, try to sell it somewhere for a decent amount and put that towards a new card. AMD's been teasing (Not 100% AMD, but leaks and rumour / speculation from other sources) the r9 300 series. I was planning an upgrade in ~a week for black friday, but I'm holding off on upgrading my 7870 until the 390 or 390x is out. I want to be good and damn ready for the CV1.
Really guys, if you have a high-end card you're golden. They want VR to become successful so I fully expect VR titles to be playable mid-range rigs by lowering settings. And in the end you can always lower the rendering resolution until you achieve the necessary fps.
The notion that you have to run everything at highest settings or else your game experience is terrible seems to have slipped into the PC community. Just look at the Steam hardware survey, if you're within the majority there, devs will cater to you.
Well, in that case I'm hoping that the r9 300 series counterpart to the 270x comes at a similar cost. A 290x's price tag in here is a bit too much without putting some serious savings aside, and as you all said it'd be better to wait for the price drop around CV1 release.
On another note, met up with the guys behind this compony:
[url]http://www.wired.com/2014/10/incredible-oculus-sim-lets-soccer-players-relive-games/[/url]
They came by my university to talk about possible collaboration projects with students. They got in contact with my prof through me, after I got in contact with them after the Amsterdam VR Meetup last summer.
Besides checking out the student VR projects (which my msc thesis is one of), they also showcased their own project: a VR environment where you can replay live soccer match data in a virtual space, with the ability to change your viewpoint to those of various players. They're building it as a training tool for the clubs to discuss and review tactics.
I built myself an i5-4690K with a Z97 mobo and 16GB of RAM. Aside from perhaps two more RAM sticks later on, and a definite need to upgrade my video card to a much more beefy one eventually (maybe that'll be my 2015 Christmas present to myself, or something), I expect to have this machine for 4-5 years without major upgrades. Your planned build, BDA, is close to mine.
If you're going to upgrade now, it'll do you just fine for games and uses available now. If your goal is to build a machine for the Rift, you're going to be paying a premium to do it with technology available now, but it should be less painful by the time CV1 rolls around, due to Moore's Law and its effect on the pricing curve. If you want a build for the Rift, waiting until the latest possible time should give you the edge on the best hardware per dollar.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, man. Just trying to give you a realistic idea of what your planned build will and will not do for you.
Somewhat related:
[url]http://www.volvocars.com/us/about/our-stories/google-cardboard[/url]
Volvo is giving away free Google Cardboards.
US only, what a surprise.
[QUOTE=Orkel;46527946]US only, what a surprise.[/QUOTE]
I entered my info but got this message
[t]http://i.imgur.com/N2ST6Ia.png[/t]
was hoping to snag one or two and shoot it your way
[QUOTE=dai;46527978]I entered my info but got this message
[t]http://i.imgur.com/N2ST6Ia.png[/t]
was hoping to snag one or two and shoot it your way[/QUOTE]
I tried yesterday and it asked me to try tomorrow. Did it today and I got it.
[QUOTE]Your information may be shared with our dealers.[/QUOTE]
What's the worst thing they'd do?
[QUOTE=Plaster;46528098]What's the worst thing they'd do?[/QUOTE]
Send you spam about cars? It only says Dealers.
it'd probably just find your closest dealer or two and send you their generic email blast about the latest sale. click unsubscribe on the email and consider the hard work doing so as the cost of a free thinger
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