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Being happy about a certain character not being in, specially one hugely requested, is kinda of an assholish thing to do. Being happy about something not being in, that, by being in, wouldn't really affect you negatively, but would affect others positively, is being a huge asshole. And bragging about the smile? Really? I can be happy or indeferent about a character being in, or sad or indeferent about one not making it. Being sad about one making it, or happy about one not being in, is quite unempathetic.

tbh i don't expect the ballot to really affect anything

[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;48323846]Yeah but at least reveal the votes and be cool about it, they never really promised that the highest votes would get added if I recall well. And hell they could even tease us and say something like "We're sorry that a lot of these characters didn't make the cut, but these votes won't be wasted we promise you that."[/QUOTE] That line about votes not being wasted is why I think we're getting a K.Rool and Chrom outfit in the first place. Erasing K.Rool from it for a moment Sakurai already said he didn't want Chrom due to him (funny enough) being another anime blue haired swordsman ((If I recall anyway)). Strong hunch a ton of dudes still voted for him so in trying to find a middle ground they made the costume. K. Rools case I could see him noticing that he was on lists and [i]for some reason or another[/i] decided "he doesn't fit in" or "he doesn't work." and is trying to still give fans of the character something. Honestly if you really love the croc I'd suggest buying the outfit- it's only a dollar or so, show that there is a love for him and hell it might improve his chances in the next game.

To think, I assumed this was over after the last three pages. How naive of me.

[QUOTE=Eriorguez;48323854]Being happy about a certain character not being in, specially one hugely requested, is kinda of an assholish thing to do. Being happy about something not being in, that, by being in, wouldn't really affect you negatively, but would affect others positively, is being a huge asshole. And bragging about the smile? Really? I can be happy or indeferent about a character being in, or sad or indeferent about one not making it. Being sad about one making it, or happy about one not being in, is quite unempathetic.[/QUOTE] Honestly it sounds like you're a little [i]too[/i] invested in a video game if someone being happy about something like this comes off as being a asshole thing. What if it does effect me negatively? What if K. Rool genuinely grosses me out and I hate how he looks just in general and I just didn't want to see him? Are you [b]really[/b] trying to censor people because they're sharing a different reaction then you to something? I believe Sakurai has said there's only a few character slots left so what if I'm happy there's a chance that all the remaining ones have a higher chance of appealing to me. [editline]29th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Everything;48323898]To think, I assumed this was over after the last three pages. How naive of me.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;48323873]tbh i don't expect the ballot to really affect anything[/QUOTE] This is what fears me the most. What if the next characters we're getting that are considered ballot characters aren't actually ballot characters. How will we even know if they don't show the votes unless it's someone really popular? They could just label characters they already had in mind in the first place way before the vote even.

[QUOTE=Sift;48323801]I fully expect a day or two after the ballot ends they'll post the results possibly scrubbing names that didn't get in anyway from it. The poll is open till the 3rd of October but I'm fairly certain they already have a strong idea of what's wanted or what's not so I doubt they're going to wait to the end for any truly last second upsets. [editline]29th July 2015[/editline] Right after that though I said it was just because it was someone I didn't like? Like unless it's considered being a asshole for being relieved someone you didn't like didn't get in. I don't like K. Rool, so seeing as his chances pretty much went up in smoke, [b]to me personally[/b], is relieving. If someone didn't want Wonder Red or something and he was revealed as a costume I wouldn't take it personal if someone was like "Phew I was scared that guy got in, happy he didn't." because hey that's there opinion.[/QUOTE] You know what, you're right. I would feel the same way :v:

[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;48323928]This is what fears me the most. What if the next characters we're getting that are considered ballot characters aren't actually ballot characters. How will we even know if they don't show the votes unless it's someone really popular? They could just label characters they already had in mind in the first place way before the vote even.[/QUOTE] I don't think they'd get away with it as a lot of people would get alerted if characters with no backing got shown up. It's not like they can add a Greenie from Luigi's Mansion and be like "Yup he won everyone wanted the Greenie :)"

mii fighters were a mistake they kill the fighters that want to join the roster and wear their skin like they did to Krool

Pretty sure they made a list of possible fighters before the ballot and they are using the votes mostly as a greenlight system. Once they see that what they have goes well with the player's votes, it's sent into development to release it. I really think the ballot's main purpose is to find a consensus between what they have in mind (and maybe even on paper already. Movesets, fighting styles, etc) and what players hope to see.

[QUOTE=Sift;48323916]Honestly it sounds like you're a little [i]too[/i] invested in a video game if someone being happy about something like this comes off as being a asshole thing. [/QUOTE] Lets put it in other words: you are happy about a restaurant not offering steak, despite being next to people who like and wanted steak, and you are telling those people you are happy there isn't steak. Live and let live, for fuck's sake.

This friday a trailer is released, it starts out black but the traditional flamecut happens. K.Rool slowly lumbers onto screen, cuts to FP user Sift's face as he shakes his head. "Hold up guys, I can't fight like this, something must be caught in my throat." K.Rool exclaims before gagging, moments later vomiting wolf onto the stage. "K.Rool and Wolf will [b]Literally[/b] murder Sift." slams on screen and a lovingly crafted render of myself is then kicked in the crotch by the duo for 5 hours straight. [editline]29th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Eriorguez;48324070]Lets put it in other words: you are happy about a restaurant not offering steak, despite being next to people who like and wanted steak, and you are telling those people you are happy there isn't steak. Live and let live, for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE] Do do food analogies. They're never good and never right.

[QUOTE=Sift;48324093]This friday a trailer is released, it starts out black but the traditional flamecut happens. K.Rool slowly lumbers onto screen, cuts to FP user Sift's face as he shakes his head. "Hold up guys, I can't fight like this, something must be caught in my throat." K.Rool exclaims before gagging, moments later vomiting wolf onto the stage. "K.Rool and Wolf will [b]Literally[/b] murder Sift." slams on screen and a lovingly crafted render of myself is then kicked in the crotch by the duo for 5 hours straight. [/QUOTE] Nah, the trailer will showcase all the Mii Figher outfits, then when it gets to Krool the real one jumps in and starts beating the shit out of him.

[QUOTE=Mikemaximum;48324115]Nah, the trailer will showcase all the Mii Figher outfits, then when it gets to Krool the real one jumps in and starts beating the shit out of him.[/QUOTE] That would be so amazing.

[QUOTE=alpha00zero;48324069]Pretty sure they made a list of possible fighters before the ballot and they are using the votes mostly as a greenlight system. Once they see that what they have goes well with the player's votes, it's sent into development to release it. I really think the ballot's main purpose is to find a consensus between what they have in mind (and maybe even on paper already. Movesets, fighting styles, etc) and what players hope to see.[/QUOTE] it's either this or nintendo is doing it just to spur up some sense of this being a community effort when it's already been decided. even if a character got a huge amount of votes in the ballot but there weren't plans on creating them, i can't see them making a brand new character just because of it. i mean, it basically comes down to what sakurai wants to do anyway, right? [QUOTE=Sift;48324093]This friday a trailer is released, it starts out black but the traditional flamecut happens. K.Rool slowly lumbers onto screen, cuts to FP user Sift's face as he shakes his head. "Hold up guys, I can't fight like this, something must be caught in my throat." K.Rool exclaims before gagging, moments later vomiting wolf onto the stage. "K.Rool and Wolf will [b]Literally[/b] murder Sift." slams on screen and a lovingly crafted render of myself is then kicked in the crotch by the duo for 5 hours straight.[/QUOTE] huh

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;48324179]it's either this or nintendo is doing it just to spur up some sense of this being a community effort when it's already been decided. even if a character got a huge amount of votes in the ballot but there weren't plans on creating them, i can't see them making a brand new character just because of it. i mean, it basically comes down to what sakurai wants to do anyway, right?[/QUOTE] I think they said in the past that was the case. Team members would suggest stuff but Sakurai himself would have to greenlight it as he wants to do everything.

A large number of votes doesn't mean they'll get picked. What it means is they'll be looked into as a potential addition, whether as DLC for 4 or an addition to the next game. If they can't find a way to make them work or make them fun, it doesn't matter how many people want them, it's not happening.

[QUOTE=Sift;48324191]I think they said in the past that was the case. Team members would suggest stuff but Sakurai himself would have to greenlight it as he wants to do everything.[/QUOTE] can we please just get someone else leading smash. so dumb that sakurai's word is basically law in the development.

i get we want k rool in smash but i don't see why we have to have page after page of fighting just because someone doesn't

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;48324200]can we please just get someone else leading smash. so dumb that sakurai's word is basically law in the development.[/QUOTE] Why would it be any different just because someone else is leading? Their word would end up being law. The director is the director. A Smash Bros game with no sole director would be interesting to see but sounds impossible.

It is a cultural issue; if you do good, you basically cannot get constructive criticism or something like that. Really farfetched.

I wouldn't mind K. Rool but I think the hype for him as a character is dramatically overblown. That's the long and short of my opinion on the issue. [editline]29th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Eriorguez;48324214]It is a cultural issue; if you do good, you basically cannot get constructive criticism or something like that. Really farfetched.[/QUOTE] No, not really. Subordinates even in a structure traditional to the Japanese are still permitted to speak their mind, so long as what they say is both objectively true and presented respectfully. Sakurai sees this as his series. He's not totally immovable on things he says or believes, but he is very firm in his assertions. If he can see proof that his choices were poor, then he does look into alternatives. The difference in how Brawl and 4 play is reasonably strong evidence to this.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;48324179]it's either this or nintendo is doing it just to spur up some sense of this being a community effort when it's already been decided. even if a character got a huge amount of votes in the ballot but there weren't plans on creating them, i can't see them making a brand new character just because of it. i mean, it basically comes down to what sakurai wants to do anyway, right? [/QUOTE] Yes, that could be one thing. However, it could also be a moveset with no fighter assigned to it. An idea. A skeleton with no flesh yet. And then, poof, there is that one character the team didn't think of and they roll with it and matches the moveset (with a few adjustments, nothing is a perfect fit) and BADABING BADABOOM, new fighter. Yes it could be already determined but it could also only have a few ideas planned too and looking through votes to see if one of the ideas or a new one pops out. Maybe Sakurai wants to do something specific and then the votes get in, giving him a spark of creativity. A new side of the medal he missed or something he never thought about. For me, getting new fighters is already a good thing, no matter who they are. I do have expected fighters I'd love to see be made but, like Roy, I don't really expect them to show up and it won't change a thing in my life if I don't have them.

Guess it depends on how each individual developer is, then. I can see Dixie Kong as the more likely 3rd DK rep, and I probably would enjoy her more than K.Rool, but that doesn't make me actively desire for K.Rool to not make it.

[QUOTE=Keychain;48324210]Why would it be any different just because someone else is leading? Their word would end up being law. The director is the director.[/QUOTE] It'd be nice to have a director that doesn't go out of his way to spite competitive play intentionally and then goes on to basically wonder "Why don't I like this competitive gameplay? I changed it to be less competitive, shouldn't it be more interesting?" in a later interview. I want a director that actually listens to the fans instead of going "for some reason we're working on Mewtwo" as if Nintendo forced him to add the character into the game instead of him realizing he should be in from the getgo. Someone that realizes that Smash Bros is a multiplayer game and not emphasize the single-player content (SSE taking up about 75%-80% of dev time for Brawl, Smash Tour. . . . . . most Sm4sh modes that replaced desired single-player modes for no reason. Smash Run is ok in my book, though.) over multi-player content, or try to make levels or items so overly intrusive that not even casuals want to play on/with them. A director that doesn't go "hmm, you know what, 8 versions of DK Island Swing (Jungle Level, Jungle Level Ver. 2, Jungle Level Jazz Style, Jungle Level Tribal Style, DKC Returns Main Theme (Vocal), DKC Returns Main Theme, Jungle Hijynx (DKCReturns version) and Kongo Jungle 64) is ok instead of having a more varied amount of DK songs or even hiring David Wise for an arrangement" or "Port Town needs 4 versions of Mute City and no versions of Port Town". If the pre-DLC roster was created by anyone other than Sakurai and posted on a forum, it would be laughed at for how hilariously bad and imbalanced it is in terms of representation for a roster of it's size, catering to demand and covering different options, but because it is what it is now, it's praised despite plenty of major fandoms being left hanging while some undemanded characters got in and Mii manages to be three. Heck, most people only had a change of heart because the DLC picks are so good at filling the holes that the original roster had. It'd also be nice if we got a director that made characters more true-to-themselves instead of tiger-roar DK, demonic-sounding DeDeDe or angry Mario. It could very well just be that Sakurai is tired of directing Smash Bros, as he didn't even want to direct Brawl originally, but either way, a lot of the flaws in Smash that can be traced back to directing are violations of common sense (i.e. tripping, scrapping single player modes that were loved by fans just because he felt like it, etc) or not learning from mistakes (shields and airdodges being too good, some of the major glitches in Brawl being ported over despite being infamous in the Smash Bros community, such as Wario's grab release or numerous AI bugs) instead of more subtle and understandable things. I have mixed emotions about Sakurai, but he definitely seems his happiest when making single-player games like Kirby's Adventure and Kid Icarus: Uprising and I would certainly be open to fresh directing blood in Smash Bros, especially if it meant he could focus more on those kind of games (which was his whole point in creating Sora Ltd, anyway).

What do you mean he didn't want to direct Brawl? He asked to be alerted if Nintendo wanted to make another Smash after Melee, he specifically requested to be on the project if that happened. He even said he was confused when Brawl was announced because they didn't contact him until a day later.

[QUOTE=Everything;48324395]What do you mean he didn't want to direct Brawl? He requested he be alerted if Nintendo wanted to make another Smash after Melee, he specifically requested to be on the project if that happened.[/QUOTE] Much like with Brawl, he had said that Melee would be the last Smash game he'd direct, especially after the grueling hours that almost ruined his personal life while working on it. Granted, he's also said that Sm4sh is his last Smash Bros game as a director, so he could be just making it a running joke, but he has certainly seemed quite angry as of lately.

[QUOTE=The Duke;48324409]Much like with Brawl, he had said that Melee would be the last Smash game he'd direct, especially after the grueling hours that almost ruined his personal life while working on it.[/QUOTE] So he's Smash's Kojima is what you're saying

Working on these games so long burns him out. I can understand that from a creative's perspective, it's rough. By then you don't want to even look at what you've made, you're so tired of it. But after a while you get that itch again, and want to get right back into even after swearing you'd never do so, only to be burned out once again. It's a bizarre cycle that artists, designers and creatives of all types go through at least once in their career.

[QUOTE=Mikemaximum;48324416]So he's Smash's Kojima is what you're saying[/QUOTE] I guess you could say that. :v: