Saints Row IV - From the Crack House to the White House - Games

I actually think that the word gangster was invented to refer to members of the Mafia.

[QUOTE=elowin;39936334]Mafia and gangster ain't quite the same thing nigga.[/QUOTE] Then play San Andreas. At the end of 2, the Saints evolved from being a simple gang to being a gang-run corporation/city owner. If you look at the progression, it makes sense. End of the first game, you [sp]lead the Saints.[/sp] End of the second game, [sp]you own Ultor/Stillwater[/sp]. End of the third game, [sp]you own Steelport as a Nation-State.[/sp] So now, you shoot for the big one. The 'Leader of the Free World'. It progresses properly and in a linear fashion.

Play GTA for a serious gang based experience. Play saints row for gang fun and fuckery.

[QUOTE=Fish_poke;39937225]Then play San Andreas. At the end of 2, the Saints evolved from being a simple gang to being a gang-run corporation/city owner. If you look at the progression, it makes sense. End of the first game, you [sp]lead the Saints.[/sp] End of the second game, [sp]you own Ultor/Stillwater[/sp]. End of the third game, [sp]you own Steelport as a Nation-State.[/sp] So now, you shoot for the big one. The 'Leader of the Free World'. It progresses properly and in a linear fashion.[/QUOTE] They didn't own Ultor by the end of SR2, that just sort of happened somewhere inbetween 2 and 3 so that they could do the whole celebrities thing in 3.

[QUOTE=elowin;39937303]They didn't own Ultor by the end of SR2, that just sort of happened somewhere inbetween 2 and 3 because else the whole celebrities thing wouldn't work very well.[/QUOTE] They effectively did, they owned everything else. A takeover of Ultor was pretty much inevitable.

[QUOTE=jackattack;39937322]They effectively did, they owned everything else. A takeover of Ultor was pretty much inevitable.[/QUOTE] I think you need to go back and replay Saints Row 2.

[QUOTE=Hammer7;39936065]Wrong game. Play Mafia.[/QUOTE] "Eyyy Donny let's go check out 'tha family business and hang out in our mansion, say?" is different from "WUUUUT UPPP NIGGGAAAAAAA, SAINTS ROW REPRESENT" [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=jackattack;39937322]They effectively did, they owned everything else. A takeover of Ultor was pretty much inevitable.[/QUOTE] They killed the fuck out of Ultor and completely dismantled them. In SR3 they're basically a clothes store again.

[QUOTE=elowin;39937351]I think you need to go back and replay Saints Row 2.[/QUOTE] I haven't played it in 4 years. I think i do. Time to go find it.

[QUOTE=jackattack;39937407]I haven't played it in 4 years. I think i do. Time to go find it.[/QUOTE] heresy I still go back and play it once in a while to this day.

Even thought it seems that everyone disagrees with you Milkandcooki, I still agree with you. Killing aliens from your hovercar as the president of states wouldn't just feel the same as shooting gangstas with your pimpin' lowrider.

[QUOTE=NRApros;39924662] [t]http://i.imgur.com/L3xmIrR.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Hang on, that dude in front of the flag looks a little like Matt Miller. I had always thought that Miller might make a comeback, either as villain or ally depending on your choice at the end. Speaking of those, I wonder if your choices will affect this game? Probably not, because I can see shaundi and viola.

SR3 is missing so much content that it's laughable. Even if you don't dig into the abysmal story, terrible characters, lack of fundamental gameplay features (like replaying missions), SR3 is still a game with a lot less stuff and a lot less longevity. An integral part of Saints Row is weapons, because well, you kill everybody. How many guns were in Saints Row 3 versus 2? Let's see. DLC and one-time mission weapons not included from either game. Melee [B]SR3[/B]: 7 weapons - Fist - Stun Gun - Baseball Bat - Penetrator - Woodsman - Nocturne - Apoca-Fist [B]SR2[/B]: 14 weapons. [B][U]154[/U][/B] if you include improvized weapons - Fist - Pimpslap - Samurai Sword - Pepper Spray - Stun Gun - Nightstick - Crowbar - Knife - Butterfly Knife - Baseball Bat - Machete - Sledgehammer - Shock Paddles - Chainsaw Pistols [B]SR3[/B]: 2 weapons - KA-1 Kobra - 45 Shepherd [B]SR2[/B]: 5 weapons - Vice 9 - Kobra - NR4 - GDHC .50 - .44 Shepherd SMGs [B]SR3[/B]: 3 weapons - TEK Z-10 - D4TH Blossom - Cyber Blaster [B]SR2[/B]: 3 weapons - T3K Urban - GAL 43 - SKR-9 Threat Shotguns [B]SR3[/B]: 3 weapons - Grave Digger - AS3 Ultimax - S3X Hammer [B]SR2[/B]: 5 weapons - AS14 Hammer - Tombstone - XS-2 Ultimax - 12 Gauge - Pimp Cane Rifles [B]SR3[/B]: 3 weapons - K-8 Krukov - AR-55 - Viper Laser Rifle [B]SR2[/B]: 4 weapons. Omitted the AR-50 w/ GL - K6 Krukov - AR-40 Xtnd - AR-50 XMAC - AR200 SAW Special/Explosive. Confusing at this point because SR3 and SR2 treat these differently. [B]SR3[/B]: 8 weapons - Annihilator - Satchel Charges - Reaper Drone - McManus 2015 - RC Possessor - SA-3 Airstrike - Cyber Buster - Sonic Boom [B]SR2[/B]: 6 weapons - Fire Extinguisher - Mini-Gun - Flamethrower - McManus 2010 - RPG Launcher - Annihilator RPG Thrown [B]SR3[/B]: 4 weapons - Flashbang - Molotovs - Grenades - Electric Grenades [B]SR2[/B]: 5 weapons - Flashbang - Molotov Cocktail - Pipe Bomb - Satchel Charge - Hand Grenade [U]TOTAL WEAPONS[/U] SR3: 30 weapons, winning in 1 category SR2: 42 weapons (182 if you count improvised), winning in 5 categories Going to take a break now, but after this I'll go into character, crib, car customization, distractions, locations, easter eggs, characters, features, stores, and much more when I get back. Guess who wins again?

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39937770] Going to take a break now, but after this I'll go into character, crib, car customization, distractions, locations, easter eggs, characters, features, stores, and much more when I get back. Guess who wins again?[/QUOTE] You really shouldnt, though, we've been over this in other threads: You cant remove what wasnt there to begin with. They had to rebuild the engine and make an entirely new city, and like SR1, there were time restraints. So the obvious conclusion is like SR2, SR4 will be vastly improved in most aspects compared to 3, people were even predicting this on SR3's launch, now for the love of god stop spamming every SR4 thread with the same shit, we get it, SR3 wasnt as good as SR2 to you. [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] Also you were talking about guns, so improvised weapons dont count, because you know, they're not guns.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;39937797]You really shouldnt, though, we've been over this in other threads: You cant remove what wasnt there to begin with. [b]They had to rebuild the engine and make an entirely new city, and like SR1, there were time restraints.[/b] So the obvious conclusion is like SR2, SR4 will be vastly improved in most aspects compared to 3, people were even predicting this on SR3's launch, now for the love of god stop spamming every SR4 thread with the same shit, we get it, SR3 wasnt as good as SR2 to you.[/QUOTE] If the devs could add so much more from the jump to SR2, why couldn't they do the same with SR3? Wouldn't it be easier if they were working on a new and improved engine? Saints Row 1 came out late 2006. Saints Row 2 came out late 2008. That's a 2 year period to make new weapons, new vehicles, new missions, new distractions, new stuff. Saints Row 3 came out in 2011. That's three fucking years. If they could add all that shit in SR2 [i]without[/i] jumping to a new engine and staying with the old shit one, why couldn't they add the same amount to SR3? [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;39937797] Also you were talking about guns, so improvised weapons dont count, because you know, they're not guns.[/QUOTE] Why are you arguing on semantics? I'm talking about the things you use in the game to hurt people. Melee weapons count. If it reaaaallly will make you feel better, I can edit my post to say "weapons" instead.

The Pimp Cane and Pimp Slap best make a comeback in Saints Row 4, they are my favorite weapons.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39937833]If the devs could add so much more from the jump to SR2, why couldn't they do the same with SR3? Wouldn't it be easier if they were working on a new and improved engine? [/QUOTE] No you dolt, they had to CREATE the engine. From SCRATCH. [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] Or nearly from scratch.

ITT: milkandcooki has too much free time.

[QUOTE=little.sparrow;39937760]Hang on, that dude in front of the flag looks a little like Matt Miller. I had always thought that Miller might make a comeback, either as villain or ally depending on your choice at the end. Speaking of those, I wonder if your choices will affect this game? Probably not, because I can see shaundi and viola.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/2iUOY[/img]

[QUOTE=little.sparrow;39937760]Hang on, that dude in front of the flag looks a little like Matt Miller. I had always thought that Miller might make a comeback, either as villain or ally depending on your choice at the end. Speaking of those, I wonder if your choices will affect this game? Probably not, because I can see shaundi and viola.[/QUOTE] Viola? I see Protagonist, Pierce, Shaundi, Miller?, Kinzie and new girl.

I didn't save Shaundi and Viola, they shouldn't be in Saints Row 4 for me right? Probably will be.

Isn't the appropriate canonical decision to save Shaundi?

[QUOTE=yellowoboe;39938046]ITT: milkandcooki has too much free time.[/QUOTE] oh i'm sorry me liking a videogame series a lot suddenly discredits all of my arguments!11!!

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39938655]oh i'm sorry me liking a videogame series a lot suddenly discredits all of my arguments!11!![/QUOTE] No, it has to do with you writing walls of text in every thread about SR4. [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] Speaking of which, how in gods name does it make sense for it to take LESS time to make a game and add shit to it when you need to CREATE a new engine?

[QUOTE=AaronM202;39938680]No, it has to do with you writing walls of text in every thread about SR4. [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] Speaking of which, how in gods name does it make sense for it to take LESS time to make a game and add shit to it when you need to CREATE a new engine?[/QUOTE] Because the new engine is better. Runs better, runs on much more hardware, graphics can be fine tuned and doesn't crash like a bitch. Easier to work with clay than jello.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39938730]Because the new engine is better. Runs better, runs on much more hardware, graphics can be fine tuned and doesn't crash like a bitch. Easier to work with clay than jello.[/QUOTE] That doesnt make any fucking sense whatsoever. Do you know what these magical things called "deadlines" are?

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39938655]oh i'm sorry me liking a videogame series a lot suddenly discredits all of my arguments!11!![/QUOTE] Cause saying you have too much time on your hands is the exact same as saying everything in your arguments is invalid. Okay.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39937833]If the devs could add so much more from the jump to SR2, why couldn't they do the same with SR3? Wouldn't it be easier if they were working on a new and improved engine? Saints Row 1 came out late 2006. Saints Row 2 came out late 2008. That's a 2 year period to make new weapons, new vehicles, new missions, new distractions, new stuff. Saints Row 3 came out in 2011. That's three fucking years. [B]If they could add all that shit in SR2 [i]without[/i] jumping to a new engine and staying with the old shit one, why couldn't they add the same amount to SR3?[/B] [editline]16th March 2013[/editline] Why are you arguing on semantics? I'm talking about the things you use in the game to hurt people. Melee weapons count. If it reaaaallly will make you feel better, I can edit my post to say "weapons" instead.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? Creating a new engine would take a lot more time than adding weapons to an existing engine. It would take a good portion of the development time to simply create the engine before the rest of the team can get to working on the game.

They can reuse weapons they already had in 3 and make more for 4. It's the same thing they did with SR1 to 2. SR1 and 2 was also made on an engine originally designed for PS2.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39937770] [U]TOTAL WEAPONS[/U] SR3: 30 weapons, winning in 1 category SR2: 42 weapons (182 if you count improvised), winning in 5 categories Going to take a break now, but after this I'll go into character, crib, car customization, distractions, locations, easter eggs, characters, features, stores, and much more when I get back. Guess who wins again?[/QUOTE] I have a question; Does it really matter how many weapons there are when most of them are reskins of the same exact thing? That's like lauding how TF2 has so many dozens of weapons when the [I]vast[/I] majority of them do the same exact thing as the originals. In terms of both what I felt when playing with them in SR2 and looking at the stats on the wiki I can tell that the grand majority of these weapons, especially in the melee department, have such minor differences that there is no real advantage for using one over the other. Meanwhile every single fully upgraded weapon in SR3 behaves completely different from any other weapons in its class with the exception of melee. So, in a nutshell. Does SR2 have more quantity of weapons? Of course, by a large margin. But SR3 very obviously has more quality.

They made a new engine for SR3 because the engine for SR2 fucking sucked. It was poorly optimised, suffered from slowdowns all the time, and took far too long to load anything. Hopefully now that they can just reuse the engine and a load of assest from SR3 SR4 will be a large improvement. Kind of like the gap between SR1 and SR2. Which is what they're saying so I am hopeful.