The saw should just take a little longer to saw things than it currently does, but last a lot longer. And take up the secondary slot.
That way it's less specialised than the other methods, but can open a lot more things total.
[video=youtube;P_tEbxd1ng8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_tEbxd1ng8[/video]
it irritates me how this song isnt used for the preparations screen anymore, now its just a perfectly good song that isnt even used for anything
and the current preparations song isnt in the soundtrack either, whats up with that
[QUOTE=Doom14;41927672]And saw opens deposit boxes and metal doors and specialty objects and steel bars and is a weapon that kills Bulldozers insanely fast. Suck it up. I don't even have any upgrades for it (because they're just not worth 4-12 skill points) and it's still a great tool.
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He's kind of right though.
tripmines kill bulldozers faster/open up doors and don't take up a primary slot.
imo, Saw should have more ammo when killing enemies but stay the same while sawing shit open
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the karate pig
Just did overkill watchdogs, and we lost [I]three bags[/I] to the ocean.
You think after the first miss they'd start aiming before they throw.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;41927999]Just did overkill watchdogs, and we lost [I]three bags[/I] to the ocean.
You think after the first miss they'd start aiming before they throw.[/QUOTE]
There should be a counter on the Fish A.I. achievement.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;41927999]Just did overkill watchdogs, and we lost [I]three bags[/I] to the ocean.
You think after the first miss they'd start aiming before they throw.[/QUOTE]
After bags hit water they respawn at the pickup truck.
[QUOTE=ISPYUDIE;41927607]Annnnd now my skillpoints spent towards the SAW have been invalidated, because not only does the ECM block cameras AND cellphones AND open security doors AND stop pagers but you can open ATMs with them and they do all that while only taking up equipment slot, whereas the SAW uses your primary slot and apart from ATMs is only good for opening up random doors so it's kind of pointless to get it when you can get the ECM instead, they should have it so you can only hack out some money with it as opposed to all of it.[/QUOTE]
The saw kills bulldozers in under a second, the only other two things that let you do that are trip-mines, or bullet storm and the double barrel, which is also an enforcer skill.
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Karate Chop?
Also the fact that a few things are sawable only.
Let's be honest here, the ghost passive skills aren't the best, all the good ones are near the bottom of the tier. Near the top of the enforcer tree though, there's really nifty things that add damage or you can get your very own saw or armor.
I highly doubt the ECM jammer will replace the saw in any means.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;41927828]He's kind of right though.
tripmines kill bulldozers faster/open up doors and don't take up a primary slot.
imo, Saw should have more ammo when killing enemies but stay the same while sawing shit open[/QUOTE]
They need to rebalance saw skills, 8 sp for 1 more blade is a waste.
Same for Carbon Blade, it make the saw deal more damage to locks, but also makes it faster so you waste ammo a lot faster.
They need to make Saw Ace to give you more durability like +30% per blade and Carbon Blade - same damage bonus but change attack speed for +10% durability at 4 points (+30% on Ace).
C4 and ECM would mostly replace the saw on a team, but C4 is also the fastest way to open safes, it can act as a sensor to warn you about flanking and obviously good for killing groups of cops in a choke point, so blowing a door with it can be a bit of a waste.
[QUOTE=Hammer7;41928068]They need to rebalance saw skills, 8 sp for 1 more blade is a waste.
Same for Carbon Blade, it make the saw deal more damage to locks, but also makes it faster so you waste ammo a lot faster.
They need to make Saw Ace to give you more durability like +30% per blade and Carbon Blade - same damage bonus but change attack speed for +10% durability at 4 points (+30% on Ace).[/QUOTE]
When I got the carbon blade skill on my first skill spending spree, I was hoping it would double the durability. It really felt like the skill did virtually nothing.
Saw really needs a buff, misclicking and not hitting the tiny sweetspot on something can use up half a goddamn saw
Really sucks, I only bring it with on speedruns, other than that its not good enough to even consider replacing a primary weapon
[QUOTE=Hammer7;41928068]They need to rebalance saw skills, 8 sp for 1 more blade is a waste.
Same for Carbon Blade, it make the saw deal more damage to locks, but also makes it faster so you waste ammo a lot faster.
They need to make Saw Ace to give you more durability like +30% per blade and Carbon Blade - same damage bonus but change attack speed for +10% durability at 4 points (+30% on Ace).[/QUOTE]
Anyone with the saw has double ammo bags though, probably aced too, IMO they should change that skill to make it more worthwhile to use it in combat, like damage reduction for X second on kill, serious extra durability when used on enemies, something like that.
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I mean, it takes up a weapon slot, make it a [I]weapon[/I].
[QUOTE=MarioInATopHat;41927699][video=youtube;P_tEbxd1ng8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_tEbxd1ng8[/video]
it irritates me how this song isnt used for the preparations screen anymore, now its just a perfectly good song that isnt even used for anything
and the current preparations song isnt in the soundtrack either, whats up with that[/QUOTE]
IMHO the new Loadout song is much better.
[QUOTE=Rents;41928029]The saw kills bulldozers in under a second, the only other two things that let you do that are trip-mines, or bullet storm and the double barrel, which is also an enforcer skill.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit seriously? In that case I apologise, and I really need to try that next game.
And I can't wait to ace Iron Man, shields are a pain in the ass at any difficulty and it'll be a real advantage to just knock them over.
It really annoys me how stupid some pubbers can be at times. I was doing Rats and on the trade mission, one guy jumped out of the window of an apartment and died. The other two ran away from the drill and got killed downstairs leaving me to fight off cops until they respawned. On the final day, one guy is grabbing money from the bus and runs away when he notices C4.
This kinda stuff is the only thing that stops me from playing Rats a lot even though it is one of my favorite heists.
serious proposal
make cash cards stop dropping until you drop below 500k spending money
[QUOTE=Hammer7;41928068]They need to rebalance saw skills, 8 sp for 1 more blade is a waste.
Same for Carbon Blade, it make the saw deal more damage to locks, but also makes it faster so you waste ammo a lot faster.
They need to make Saw Ace to give you more durability like +30% per blade and Carbon Blade - same damage bonus but change attack speed for +10% durability at 4 points (+30% on Ace).[/QUOTE]
One extra saw blade isn't that bad, considering the bags go by percentages, so you'll take just as much ammo getting 2 blades as you would 3. Which is handy when your sawing a bunch of stuff, like on framing frame, or the bank.
[QUOTE=NitronikALT;41928212]serious proposal
make cash cards stop dropping until you drop below 500k spending money[/QUOTE]
Or just make it possible to buy cards or attachments.
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;41928334]Or just make it possible to buy cards or attachments.[/QUOTE]
I'd like crazy expensive attachments so that I could have a silencer before level 40.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;41928215]One extra saw blade isn't that bad, considering the bags go by percentages, so you'll take just as much ammo getting 2 blades as you would 3. Which is handy when your sawing a bunch of stuff, like on framing frame, or the bank.[/QUOTE]
Make it 4 blades and +15% durability for 8 skill points.
I'd love to have the extended barrel for the Deagle. The silencer makes my accuracy so poor on the damn thing.
The saw certainly needs buffing, buffing the ECM is nice and all but the saw needs it more.
Having to pretty much pile up on ammo bags just to do any bank heist to get the deposit boxes is kinda annoying.
[editline]22nd August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeos;41928479]I'd love to have the extended barrel for the Deagle. The silencer makes my accuracy so poor on the damn thing.[/QUOTE]
Extended slide and overkill need to be able to equip together.
I need my super long loud deagle.
one thing that's always bothered me is how cash from loot bags receives a value modifier based on the difficulty (up to 9x the listed value on OK), but instant cash is a flat value across all difficulties. makes no sense
[QUOTE=elevator13;41928681]one thing that's always bothered me is how cash from loot bags receives a value modifier based on the difficulty (up to 9x the listed value on OK), but instant cash is a flat value across all difficulties. makes no sense[/QUOTE]
Nothing better than doing Firestarter on OVERKILL and get over a millie only to get 3,000 as the loot drop. Fuck bain do I need more cash? What am I supposed to do? Donate to charity?
Team left me behind in the warehouse on Firestarter 1, had no idea until the host started yelling at me over mic to "stop fucking around and get the fuck out of there"
Kind of hard as it was me and my Jokered SWAT buddy against a giant horde of cops. I figured he could stop being an asshole and get some patience since I was still distracting them all, and pretty much pinned inside of there but I did what he wanted me to do anyway and got shot down.
Kicked me before I even had the chance to make use of Pistol Messiah.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41928743]Team left me behind in the warehouse on Firestarter 1, had no idea until the host started yelling at me over mic to "stop fucking around and get the fuck out of there"
Kind of hard as it was me and my Jokered SWAT buddy against a giant horde of cops. I figured he could stop being an asshole and get some patience since I was still distracting them all, and pretty much pinned inside of there but I did what he wanted me to do anyway and got shot down.
Kicked me before I even had the chance to make use of Pistol Messiah.[/QUOTE]
Shit like this is happens and sadly enough there isn't much you can do about dicky hosts.
I recommend getting some facepunchers and/or friends and host your own game.
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