[QUOTE=aussiedropbear;41935943]Also, bags seem to stay in the van now? Didn't see that in the patch notes.
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Yep. You throw them in, they disappear and are replaced with a fixed model.
[QUOTE=Deez_Nutz;41935866]I'm mainly in the technician skill but I really want to change to ghost. I figure everyone has shaped charges now, so would it be worth it to respec and change to ghost?[/QUOTE]
Once they make it so ECM's actually block pagers ghost will be much better
Not to mention them making it so ATM's now can be opened via ECM makes ECM useful outside of stealth finally.
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Your loot bags now show up in a growing pile in your escape car or chopper
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[editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
The new bulldozer buff scares me just a bit...
[QUOTE=archival;41935978][editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
The new bulldozer buff scares me just a bit...[/QUOTE]
That aren't so scary, they drop dead just like they did before.
If they used their shotguns quicker, then they would be scary...
I'm so glad Bulldozers look less silly than in Payday 1 and actually sound menacing.
[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;41935854]ECM Overdrive is useless.
Whereas lockpicking has saved me numerous times where C4 just couldn't be had.[/QUOTE]
Useless? You can many missions MUCH smoother and MUCH faster with ECM overdrive and the 2 ECM perk. Get 25% faster lockpicking immediately after, and until you can lockpick safes just stick with an engineer.
[editline]22nd August 2013[/editline]
I hope they include the pager ECM buff next though. Then ghost can be called necessary right alongside all the other classes. The ATM buff is nice but worthless for 99% of missions, and will continue to be until they let picked-up non-bag loot scale with difficulty.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41935997]That aren't so scary, they drop dead just like they did before.
If they used their shotguns quicker, then they would be scary...[/QUOTE]
I find that most enemies dont use their weapons as much as they should though, often have swat guys just run in front of you sit there, turn around see you, wait a few moments then fire.
[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;41936018]I'm so glad Bulldozers look less silly than in Payday 1 and actually sound menacing.[/QUOTE]
They sounded menacing before too, and they looked menacing apart from the giant bubble helmets :v:
PD2's are puffy, but they sound menacing and their face mask is better.
[QUOTE=archival;41936053]I find that most enemies dont use their weapons as much as they should though, often have swat guys just run in front of you sit there, turn around see you, wait a few moments then fire.[/QUOTE]
I got that a lot in Payday 1, not so much in Payday 2 though. The only time I can think of where Cops don't try to kill you right off is when there's no Assault if you're reasonably far away from them.
I think they removed that though, because it seems all cops went back to their Payday 1 behavior of just shooting at you at first sight unless you're so far away they couldn't hit you.
Has anyone noticed Bain isn't so chatty now ever since the update? Especially when stealthing.
Just played with a group of pubbies.
One ran out of the vault on Firestarter, darted for the van and died. Then threw a bitch fit. Followed by a second running out to get him, and then dying.
[QUOTE=Folfy;41936234]Has anyone noticed Bain isn't so chatty now ever since the update? Especially when stealthing.[/QUOTE]
And they seem to have re-recording most of all of his PD1 lines. It's usually pretty jarring when the lines from PD1 and PD2 clash, but I haven't heard any of it, not a single reused line. I love it.
[editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
Plus now when an Assault starts, he gives us helpful advice.
"Don't die!" - Bain, 2013
Nerfed the rewards for one day heists. Bleh
I prefer all the one day heists over the 2 or 3 days, and usually only play them
[QUOTE=TheTalon;41936451]Nerfed the rewards for one day heists. Bleh
I prefer all the one day heists over the 2 or 3 days, and usually only play them[/QUOTE]
gee
wouldn't want to reward people for their time or anything
[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;41935826]Buffed usually implies it getting better.
Is that a bad thing?
The game is slowly turning into the game it should've been from the beginning but wasn't.[/QUOTE]
I think the problem is that no one has any patience anymore. We've been raised in a consumer/information overload culture that wants things faster and faster and faster, so I've seen people grow increasingly intolerant of having to wait any amount of time for anything anymore. It's definitely not a good trend; this isn't the first game to have a botched launch, won't be the last, but I'll keep playing and just wait and see how things are later. It's not like I dropped $500 into this or something, I see the same crap happen with mods and such as well.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;41936478]gee
wouldn't want to reward people for their time or anything[/QUOTE]
That's not what's happening though. They're not rewarding people for taking more time, they're penalizing players for taking less.
[QUOTE=t h e;41936640]That's not what's happening though. They're not rewarding people for taking more time, they're penalizing players for taking less.[/QUOTE]
Supported by the 110,000 XP Firestarter I just finished?
With smooth talker, is it a guaranteed four pagers? Ive been spending too long on framing frames 1, and I'm hearing from some that it's guaranteed four and others that it's "at least 3". I'd hate for this time to go to waste.
Does "On day 1 of the Framing Frame job, steal all sold paintings without being seen" mean no detections or legit never being seen as in no question marks ever?
Does anyone else feel like the Police AI was smartened up too? It was especially noticeable on Bank Heist, but it seemed like the FBI SWAT weren't attacking in just groups, but from multiple entrances. There were several instances where they seemed to storm in the the back and the windows, or the front and the windows, or the back and the front, or the side and the windows. And they would do this at roughly the same time. I'm wondering if it's a coincidence or if they smartened them up enough that they try to attack from more than one point at the same time.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41936657]With smooth talker, is it a guaranteed four pagers? Ive been spending too long on framing frames 1, and I'm hearing from some that it's guaranteed four and others that it's "at least 3". I'd hate for this time to go to waste.[/QUOTE]
Garaunteed four with smooth talker. I just stealthed framing frames entirely with a friend on overkill and it's def four.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41936657]With smooth talker, is it a guaranteed four pagers? Ive been spending too long on framing frames 1, and I'm hearing from some that it's guaranteed four and others that it's "at least 3". I'd hate for this time to go to waste.[/QUOTE]
Definitely a solid 4, no doubt.
Alright cool thanks.
And finally, the vested security guard on Framing Frame Day 1 -- will he react at all to broken security cameras? I've taken out the other four guards now, and im about to shoot out the cameras, but im worried him going and seeing one would botch me intimidating him. (Like how the other guards actually start going to the camera, does he do that or stay there)
[QUOTE=legolover122;41936686]Does "On day 1 of the Framing Frame job, steal all sold paintings without being seen" mean no detections or legit never being seen as in no question marks ever?[/QUOTE]
It means no alarms and cops. You can get seen all you want really :v:
Hell, you know what happened when we got it? Fucker at the desk saw us, went full alert. 2 of us alternated between screaming at him and regenerating armour, just to keep him busy so he wouldn't radio us in and trigger an alarm. When we got all the paintings, we both made a mad dash to the van, and got the achievement.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;41936719]Alright cool thanks.
And finally, the vested security guard on Framing Frame Day 1 -- will he react at all to broken security cameras? I've taken out the other four guards now, and im about to shoot out the cameras, but im worried him going and seeing one would botch me intimidating him. (Like how the other guards actually start going to the camera, does he do that or stay there)[/QUOTE]
No. If you're talking about the guard at the desk, he never moves.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41936722]It means no alarms and cops. You can get seen all you want really :v:
Hell, you know what happened when we got it? Fucker at the desk saw us, went full alert. 2 of us alternated between screaming at him and regenerating armour, just to keep him busy so he wouldn't radio us in and trigger an alarm. When we got all the paintings, we both made a mad dash to the van, and got the achievement.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow.
[editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mike Tyson;41936759]No. If you're talking about the guard at the desk, he never moves.[/QUOTE]
He's talking about the security desk guy that he'll never see because the lazy shit doesn't care about all the cameras being broken.
Or maybe he doesn't even know about the 6th guard I don't know.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41936722]
Hell, you know what happened when we got it? Fucker at the desk saw us, went full alert. 2 of us alternated between screaming at him and regenerating armour, just to keep him busy so he wouldn't radio us in and trigger an alarm. When we got all the paintings, we both made a mad dash to the van, and got the achievement.[/QUOTE]
Me and my friend did it. We took out all the gaurds and shouted at the last one to cuff himself. We got all seven paintings and sneaked past the lobby guy (not even a question mark) but the only achievment I got at the end was the zipline achievment. Didn't pop the other one.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;41936654]Supported by the 110,000 XP Firestarter I just finished?[/QUOTE]
It was in response to the "Nerfed the rewards for one day heists. Bleh" comment. Buffing the rewards for multi day heists is great, but single day heists are now barely worth doing anymore. They were already somewhat barely worth doing, (im not talking about ukjob, im talking about four stores, jewelry store, the [I]other[/I] single day heists), and now they have nerfed EXP and have tedious escapes slapped onto them. You might as well be doing a two day job but are getting less than one day rewards.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;41936478]gee
wouldn't want to reward people for their time or anything[/QUOTE]
Gee, don't want a single session to last an hour. I prefer the 10 minute jobs or less with a payday than the 40 minutes. I don't have anything to spend money on so I don't give a fuck about it, I just want something other than 3,000 cash at the end of a heist. It's fucking annoying to do Rats on Overkill with pubbers only to get 6,000 cash as the reward. I don't care about XP or Money, I want weapon mods. I rarely get a weapon mod I will use. I think in the last 4 days I got a Monolith, that's it. I almost prefer Mass Effect 3's unlock system. So excuse me if I don't want to do a heist that's more annoying than fun, to get nothing, when I prefer the Bank for fun and a quicker reward
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;41936762]Oh wow.[/QUOTE]
That was at the end of our mission mind you, we only had 2 paintings to move and that is because we fucked up a couple throws and they landed on the big statue, so I had to come down off the roof and toss 'em down, but since this was the laser room, the only exit was through the lobby. And the fucker at the desk spent like 5 minutes staring into our hallway, would not fucking move or even turn away. So our Mastermind (apparently being one IRL too) came up with a plan to just keep him distracted until we can leave :v:
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;41936762]Oh wow.
[editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
He's talking about the security desk guy that he'll never see because the lazy shit doesn't care about all the cameras being broken.
Or maybe he doesn't even know about the 6th guard I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Nope im talking about the lobby guard. Took out all the cameras then went to intimidate him, he surrendered, then snapped back to his combat pose and fired, and then surrendered again. Stealth ruined.
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