The Elder Scrolls Megathread XV: A Song of Ice and Draugr - Games

New OpenMW v0.27.0 update out: [video=youtube;6ea8NPedKsk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ea8NPedKsk[/video] It's nice to see it all coming together.

Can we please get an Elder Scrolls game in the Second Era?

[QUOTE=Water-Marine;43021824]Can we please get an Elder Scrolls game in the Second Era?[/QUOTE] You have Daggerfall. I don't know when Arena takes place. You also have that other... thing...

[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;43021853]You have Daggerfall. I don't know when Arena takes place. You also have that other... thing...[/QUOTE] All of the main games except Skyrim take place in the Third Era. I think Redguard is in the Second.

Morrowind only takes place like 25 years after Arena.

[QUOTE=Tureis;43022060]Morrowind only takes place like 25 years after Arena.[/QUOTE] And 6 years before Oblivion! [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] Yeah, Arena: 3E 399 Daggerfall: 3E 405 Morrowind: 3E 427 Oblivion: 3E 433 Skyrim: 4E 201

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43022246]And 6 years before Oblivion! [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] Yeah, Arena: 3E 399 Daggerfall: 3E 405 Morrowind: 3E 427 Oblivion: 3E 433 Skyrim: 4E 201[/QUOTE] 200 years later and everything is still the fucking same.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43022246]And 6 years before Oblivion! [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] Yeah, Arena: 3E 399 Daggerfall: 3E 405 Morrowind: 3E 427 Oblivion: 3E 433 Skyrim: 4E 201[/QUOTE] Since each main game takes place after the last, there will eventually be a TES game with spaceships.

[video=youtube;zq6h85VFfEU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq6h85VFfEU[/video] Is this late?

[QUOTE=cdr248;43022577]200 years later and everything is still the fucking same.[/QUOTE] Were you to look at 600 and 800 CE, you'd see it's all basically the same.

I like to think of Skyrim as taking place in a sort of "dark age." It makes sense given what's happened since the Oblivion Crisis.

The way I see it a lot of the stuff we developed using science was seen as a necessity to improve our quality of life. In the TES universe you can magic away diseases, wounds, and summon things with nothing but force of will so I think that defeats a great deal of the urgency of scientific progress.

[QUOTE=cdr248;43022577]200 years later and everything is still the fucking same.[/QUOTE] Actually a lot of settlements suddenly went missing since Arena and Daggerfall. :v:

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43022770]Were you to look at 600 and 800 CE, you'd see it's all basically the same.[/QUOTE] Plus, consider that a lot of our own advances in technology happened out of necessity. The people of Nirn don't really need to develop refrigeration when they can hire somebody to shoot ice out of their hands or learn how to do that themselves, for example.

[QUOTE=Tureis;43022994]Actually a lot of settlements suddenly went missing since Arena and Daggerfall. :v:[/QUOTE] I guess The Warp in the West was also in the east, south, and north.

Don't forget the Dwemer robots. Although... what about bathing?

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;43023004]Plus, consider that a lot of our own advances in technology happened out of necessity. The people of Nirn don't really need to develop refrigeration when they can hire somebody to shoot ice out of their hands or learn how to do that themselves, for example.[/QUOTE] Actually, they would need that; simply because it's better to develop refrigeration than to have to use magicka to shoot ice out of your hands all the time. In the same way of thoughts, technology should eventually prevail as well. For instance, how come in a few thousand years, the people of Tamriel are still using bows (and sometimes crossbows) when they could develop, I don't know, handcannons or pistols? Those are still better than what magicka offer to the people, and unlike magicka, everyone can use a gun. The only people in the TES lore who seem to have followed that path are the Dwemer. Too bad they're gone now. I would like to see a TES game where the people are finally developping technology.

The most you'd expect in TES, would be a hollow stave enchanted with telekinesis that would shoot pebbles out at high speeds. Though apparently fire arms existed in Redguard, it's just not widely used.

[QUOTE=Tureis;43023079]The most you'd expect in TES, would be a hollow stave enchanted with telekinesis that would shoot pebbles out at high speeds. Though apparently fire arms existed in Redguard, it's just not widely used.[/QUOTE] Most likely cause magic is more effective to have in war, somehow anyway.

[QUOTE=Godzilla;43022942]I like to think of Skyrim as taking place in a sort of "dark age." It makes sense given what's happened since the Oblivion Crisis.[/QUOTE] I thought of this too, there's a general atmosphere of decline around Skyrim. That's why I think Beth went for the miserable colours and cold setting, to drive home the "this isn't the nice and happy Tamriel of the third era. This is the war torn fourth!" message. [QUOTE=Loadingue;43023061]Actually, they would need that; simply because it's better to develop refrigeration than to have to use magicka to shoot ice out of your hands all the time. In the same way of thoughts, technology should eventually prevail as well. For instance, how come in a few thousand years, the people of Tamriel are still using bows (and sometimes crossbows) when they could develop, I don't know, handcannons or pistols? Those are still better than what magicka offer to the people, and unlike magicka, everyone can use a gun. The only people in the TES lore who seem to have followed that path are the Dwemer. Too bad they're gone now. I would like to see a TES game where the people are finally developping technology.[/QUOTE] They vanished because they merged technology and magic. I reckon that's probably enough reason for most people to stay away. Besides, things like refrigeration weren't invented for the benefit of peasants, they were invented for the benefit of the rich, who can quite happily pay a mage to sit there and freeze his stuff if he wants. There's no real education for just about everyone. There's no drive to innovate. There's no precedent for technological advancement.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;43016901]How come pretty much everything that happens outside of the actual games is fucking amazing and badass, and everything in the games is lame as fuck. Oblivion crisis outside games, massive war. Inside game, "go fetch me some shit so I can open a porta- too late woops I'll just beat the boss for you."[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2012/06/howardheader.jpg[/img]

To be fair with the lack of guns, you would have to pass the "let me put powder in my musket" phase where guns are more deadly than bows, but less accurate, much slower, and much less stealthy. Magic already takes that place as the deadlier-but-louder ranged weapon variety, but is faster and a bit more accurate. There's staves for people who can't use magic very well, too. It's kind of like asking why people didn't invest technology in slingshots when we already had bows. Given how the most advancement in slingshots has come in the last few years from some guy on the internet, the only guns we'll see in Tamriel will be in hundreds of years, made by some guy taking his hobby way too seriously and showing off on YouVision or whatever their version will be.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;43022700][video=youtube;zq6h85VFfEU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq6h85VFfEU[/video] Is this late?[/QUOTE] I can't relate to this I expected something like lockpick a breaking at the last nanometer. Plus when the fuck do your eye turn blue when you shout [editline]29th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=cdr248;43022577]200 years later and everything is still the fucking same.[/QUOTE] Yeah by now I'm legit suprised that they haven't advanced whatsoever. The technology is right fucking beneath you faggots you could make yourself undying machines which would give yourself time to do other shit like renaissance shit

The niggle I have with this science argument is that science and technology are very different things. Science is a human framework for reasoning universal laws and axioms of nature. Technology is derived from those axioms, accidentally or not. So, if we know for a fact that half of Newton's original axioms are unseated by magical ones you have kind of a huge ontological mindfuck on your hands that's harder to legitimize than in one or two sentences. Example: To assume that science and magic are competing in TES, you'd have to be making an arbitrary distinction between natural laws.

[QUOTE=cdr248;43022577]200 years later and everything is still the fucking same.[/QUOTE] Actually technology has seemingly improved between Oblivion and Skyrim. The reason it remains medieval is because magic pretty much covers everything technology can do. [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Water-Marine;43021824]Can we please get an Elder Scrolls game in the Second Era?[/QUOTE] I'd love an elder scrolls game set before the empire was even settled.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43023785]Actually technology has seemingly improved between Oblivion and Skyrim. The reason it remains medieval is because magic pretty much covers everything technology can do.[/QUOTE] i wonder if there are contraceptive enchantments just better hope they're part of the school of Alteration, and not Illusion

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;43023833]i wonder if there are contraceptive enchantments just better hope they're part of the school of Alteration, and not Illusion[/QUOTE] I'm sure somewhere on the Nexus there's an enchantable cock ring mod with this as a feature.

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;43023833]i wonder if there are contraceptive enchantments just better hope they're part of the school of Alteration, and not Illusion[/QUOTE] There's probably some sort of potion that makes you sterile. Best part of TES is that every non-beast race can have kids with anyone, so a half-orc half-nord is totally possible. See how badass the gray prince is in Oblivion.

[url]http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Bothela%27s_Discreet_Delivery[/url] [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] Pretty much mastered Viagra

[QUOTE=Last or First;43023370]guns are more deadly than bows[/QUOTE] They really aren't, they're just way easier for the general populace to use, as they don't require a lifetime of training to be dangerous with. Arrows can cause extreme damage to a person's body, and can punch through pretty much any kind of armor. If an armor gets stuck in your plate armor, have fun getting it out and surviving.