The Elder Scrolls Megathread XV: A Song of Ice and Draugr - Games

[QUOTE=AndrewPH;43025292]They really aren't, they're just way easier for the general populace to use, as they don't require a lifetime of training to be dangerous with. Arrows can cause extreme damage to a person's body, and can punch through pretty much any kind of armor. If an armor gets stuck in your plate armor, have fun getting it out and surviving.[/QUOTE] Bullets can bounce around inside the person's body causing more internal damage.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;43025316]Bullets can bounce around inside the person's body causing more internal damage.[/QUOTE] Firearms have many advantages over bows, but if you get hit by an arrow there's a stick with a barbed point inside of you and there's no good way to get that out. A bullet will still cause massive internal damage by pure force though. Ease of use is a major reason firearms caught on, however. Early guns weren't terribly reliable or accurate but was easier to hand them out to a group of people and tell them to point and shoot than it was to train somebody with a longbow.

Finished the Companions questline for the second time and I have to say I like the story. However, it feels really rushed, the silver hand pop up in one quest and are almost completely destroyed two quests later. I spoke with Kodlak only two times but he regards me as the one to rule the companions in the future... I think you're supposed to do all radiant quests before any of the main guild line to feel any kind of connection to the guild you're working for.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43022770]Were you to look at 600 and 800 CE, you'd see it's all basically the same.[/QUOTE] This is actually wrong because there were actually a few new invetions at that time. Stuff like stirrups (introduced to arabs), paper money (in china, chess), heavy plows, horse collars (introduced to europe), horse shoes and the harp (reinvented in europe), printing press (China), gunpowder (China), greek fire, porcelain (China), numerical 0 (India) and advances in mechanics. All the while older inventions were spreading to new areas so yeah basically it wasn't the same alot of shit changed and this is without even mentioning trends in art, architecture or clothing. Edit: TES world just is in a weird stasis and thats okay because its just fantasy.

[QUOTE=AndrewPH;43025292]They really aren't, they're just way easier for the general populace to use, as they don't require a lifetime of training to be dangerous with. Arrows can cause extreme damage to a person's body, and can punch through pretty much any kind of armor. If an [b]armor[/b] gets stuck in your plate armor, have fun getting it out and surviving.[/QUOTE] That must hurt.

[QUOTE=Falchion;43025854]This is actually wrong because there were actually a few new invetions at that time. Stuff like stirrups (introduced to arabs), paper money (in china, chess), heavy plows, horse collars (introduced to europe), horse shoes and the harp (reinvented in europe), printing press (China), gunpowder (China), greek fire, porcelain (China), numerical 0 (India) and advances in mechanics. All the while older inventions were spreading to new areas so yeah basically it wasn't the same alot of shit changed and this is without even mentioning trends in art, architecture or clothing. Edit: TES world just is in a weird stasis and thats okay because its just fantasy.[/QUOTE] Between Oblivion and Skyrim you can notice several advances in technology : - Better forging equipment - Partially mechanically operated sawmills - Better alchemy equipment - People are more educated and can do math - Water used as a power source - Crossbows - Food production is improved - Surgery

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43026015]Between Oblivion and Skyrim you can notice several advances in technology : - Better forging equipment - Partially mechanically operated sawmills - Better alchemy equipment - People are more educated and can do math - Water used as a power source - Crossbows - Food production is improved[/QUOTE] Yeah I guess they got mechanical sawmills, but crossbows were already in Morrowind, they vanished for the duration of Oblivion. I think the basis for the rest of the claims is not very convincing either. I don't actually think the writers thought about any of that.

Probably not but then again the writers didn't think of a valid reason to keep the world as primitive as it is, considering dwemers have already achieved robots and mechs before.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;43024236][url]http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Bothela%27s_Discreet_Delivery[/url] [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] Pretty much mastered Viagra[/QUOTE] Why does every attempt Skyrim makes at having sexual themes end up just looking looking extremely awkward and out-of-place?

[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;43026098]Why does every attempt Skyrim makes at having sexual themes end up just looking looking extremely awkward and out-of-place?[/QUOTE] Because if it did serious sexual themes you'd end up having people talking about how barbed khajiits dicks are painful as fuck.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43026107]Because if it did serious sexual themes you'd end up having people talking about how barbed khajiits dicks are painful as fuck.[/QUOTE] Actually, that would just sound awkward as hell, too. I think Skyrim is just too "cartoony" for content like that. Either that or all the NPCs act like robots that you only expect to be produced from factories.

Well in Oblivion there is the gray prince who is the son of an imperial and an orc (and the imperial makes it very clear in his journal that he boned the orc really, really often) and there's also that imperial who's married to a wood elf and everyone wonders how the poor guy is handling a marriage with such an annoying bitch (because in Oblivion all wood elves are annoying bitches).

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43026107]Because if it did serious sexual themes you'd end up having people talking about how barbed khajiits dicks are painful as fuck.[/QUOTE] Wasn't there a book on that in one of the older elder scrolls games

Can anyone give me a complete list of small tweak mods that I can use for Skyrim? Especially optimisation mods considering I'm having to run it off a 7 year old system.

[QUOTE=Morderator;43025708]Finished the Companions questline for the second time and I have to say I like the story. However, it feels really rushed, the silver hand pop up in one quest and are almost completely destroyed two quests later. I spoke with Kodlak only two times but he regards me as the one to rule the companions in the future... I think you're supposed to do all radiant quests before any of the main guild line to feel any kind of connection to the guild you're working for.[/QUOTE] There's a mod that "fixes" this questline Unfortunatly I don't feel like playing through the same questline again so I've not tried it but it basically makes it less stupid how you are the leader of the companions after like 2 hours of joining them

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43026015]Between Oblivion and Skyrim you can notice several advances in technology : - Better forging equipment [B]I can't even remember seeing forges in oblivion. But there are books (armourers challenge) that give the impression that cyrodil had some realy great forges [/B] - Partially mechanically operated sawmills [B] With crossbows and fine clothes that's not a huge leap. [/B] - Better alchemy equipment [B]Not realy[/B] - People are more educated and can do math[B]S You're not even american. On topic: You rarely see anyone do any maths that are complex enough to require education. The literacy rate is presumably high in this underscaled country...but that's not any different from oblivion, is it?[/B] - Water used as a power source [B]Used to turn cogs. That's different from power[/B] - Crossbows [B]Morrrowind[/B] - Food production is improved [B]How?[/B] - Surgery [B]Magic/One supremely unique individual[/B][/QUOTE] So you're pretty much wrong on all fronts.

[QUOTE=AndrewPH;43025292]They really aren't, they're just way easier for the general populace to use, as they don't require a lifetime of training to be dangerous with. Arrows can cause extreme damage to a person's body, and can punch through pretty much any kind of armor. If an armor gets stuck in your plate armor, have fun getting it out and surviving.[/QUOTE] Guns became popular because A. They are much easier to use by anyone than bows, which generally require training B. They pretty much nullified all armor since nothing could stop a bullet Arrows were still more accurate at longer ranges if you were a skilled bowman, the problem was it tooks forever for someone to become skilled enough to use bows well at long ranges. Arrows also had the advantage of not being a really long/hard process to reload after every shot, which guns required. But the fact that guns were point+shoot and pierced every armor imaginable pretty much stopped plate armor from ever being a thing, on top of arrows already doing a good job of piercing plate. Both combined pretty much made swords something that are used as backups instead of main weapons too.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;43026329]Wasn't there a book on that in one of the older elder scrolls games[/QUOTE] Daggerfall had an uncensored version of The real barenziah where the main character gets fucked by a khajiit. In any other game the passage is cut off usually followed by a message such as "passage censored on order of the council" [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=KorJax;43026490]Guns became popular because A. They are much easier to use by anyone than bows, which generally require training B. They pretty much nullified all armor since nothing could stop a bullet Arrows were still more accurate at longer ranges if you were a skilled bowman, the problem was it tooks forever for someone to become skilled enough to use bows well at long ranges. Arrows also had the advantage of not being a really long/hard process to reload after every shot, which guns required. But the fact that guns were point+shoot and pierced every armor imaginable pretty much stopped plate armor from ever being a thing, on top of arrows already doing a good job of piercing plate. Both combined pretty much made swords something that are used as backups instead of main weapons too.[/QUOTE] All of this is pretty much negated when you can just burn someone from the inside out with your bare hands.

[t]http://i.imgur.com/nuqyTar.png[/t] Get down here you fucker

[QUOTE=Last or First;43027026] Get down here you fucker[/QUOTE] Lightning spells [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=AndrewPH;43025292]Arrows can cause extreme damage to a person's body, and can punch through pretty much any kind of armor.[/QUOTE] First part is true, second part is blatantly false. Even the most absurdly powerful warbows have difficulty piercing a padded linen/deerskin jack at combat ranges. It's not that bows are weak (they aren't) but armor was made to withstand massive trauma and it did a very good job of it.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43026499]Daggerfall had an uncensored version of The real barenziah where the main character gets fucked by a khajiit. In any other game the passage is cut off usually followed by a message such as "passage censored on order of the council" [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] All of this is pretty much negated when you can just burn someone from the inside out with your bare hands.[/QUOTE] yeah but not everyone wants to train for years to learn how to do cool shit with magic there would probably be a huge market of guns for small nordic villages across the continent

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;43027043]Lightning spells[/QUOTE] I'm level 16 and all I know is Sparks [sp]plus I tried killing it in the console nothing I tried resurrecting it in the console and then killing it in the console nothing[/sp] [editline]cheatbirds[/editline] [sp]just tried noclipping up to it and killing it nothing tried resurrect and kill again nothing THE BIRD DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST[/sp] [QUOTE=TheStateTrooper;43027095]yeah but not everyone wants to train for years to learn how to do cool shit with magic there would probably be a huge market of guns for small nordic villages across the continent[/QUOTE] That's what staves are for.

That's strange then, normally those things can be killed. Can't remember which one is which but either hawk feathers or hawk beaks have some super useful alchemical effect

[QUOTE=TheStateTrooper;43027095]yeah but not everyone wants to train for years to learn how to do cool shit with magic there would probably be a huge market of guns for small nordic villages across the continent[/QUOTE] Then again not everyone wants to train for years to learn how to shoot a target properly, because bullets aren't magic homing missiles and primitive guns don't really allow for several shots in a row. Not to mention nords don't like magic because it's cowardly so chances are they wouldn't like guns either.

[QUOTE=Falchion;43025854]This is actually wrong because there were actually a few new invetions at that time. Stuff like stirrups (introduced to arabs), paper money (in china, chess), heavy plows, horse collars (introduced to europe), horse shoes and the harp (reinvented in europe), printing press (China), gunpowder (China), greek fire, porcelain (China), numerical 0 (India) and advances in mechanics. All the while older inventions were spreading to new areas so yeah basically it wasn't the same alot of shit changed and this is without even mentioning trends in art, architecture or clothing. Edit: TES world just is in a weird stasis and thats okay because its just fantasy.[/QUOTE] But how many of those things would have been recognisable on a ground level, chilling with the stinky farmers? Not very many. In my experience (and this isn't a dig at you), there's a tendency for people to forget the absurdly huge class differences that were rampant for basically all of human history. Just a technology existed, doesn't mean that anyone but the richest knew about it, let alone saw it. [QUOTE=TheStateTrooper;43027095]yeah but not everyone wants to train for years to learn how to do cool shit with magic there would probably be a huge market of guns for small nordic villages across the continent[/QUOTE] Even if it got to the point where those in Nordic villages could afford to buy such a fledgling technology, what makes you think they'd stick with it? They'd probably realise that they literally can't hit the broadside of their barn and go back to hitting shit with big sticks. You get a lot of use out of a staff, and you get all the bonuses that come with it. No reload, at least as deadly as a firearm, more accurate, and it's a one time purchase. With a gun, you have to practice. A lot. I bet those little lead balls wouldn't come cheap either. So you've got to buy something that probably costs as much as your house, then you've got to buy ammo for it, then you need to practice (and use up a shitton of ammo to get good), then you need to keep going back for more ammo. Plus, it doesn't matter how much you practice with an early firearm, you're going to miss the vast majority of the time no matter what. [editline]30th November 2013[/editline] Yeah, there's bonuses when it comes to the common footsoldier, in that you can simply give them one and have them fire at a wall of bad guys; but one mage is worth ten guys with guns for a long time. I have real difficulty believing that people would bother with firearms long enough for them to get good.

[QUOTE=Last or First;43027026][t]http://i.imgur.com/nuqyTar.png[/t] Get down here you fucker[/QUOTE] It's a glitch. When you actually shoot down the little fuckers, you're shooting an object that disappears and spawns a hawk corpse when hit by ANYTHING that can move an object. This includes arrow, spells and even shouts like Kyne's Peace (ironically). But sometimes, they 'respawn' instead as an invincible image of a hawk and their coding no longer causes them to disappear and spawn a dead hawk. Blame Todd and get the Unofficial Skyrim Patch.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43027267]Then again not everyone wants to train for years to learn how to shoot a target properly, because bullets aren't magic homing missiles and primitive guns don't really allow for several shots in a row. [/QUOTE] Actually as long as flint doesn't exist as a compound in the gameworld you could probably get away with making it so matchlocks are the furthest point that firearm technology would reach, in which case archers and melee fighters would still be very useful :v: "Coincidentally" the invention of the flintlock in 1648 was the "hard cap" point in which melee fighters and archers were abruptly and absolutely phased out. I think the gallowglass are a good example of this. in 1646 (2 years [B]before[/B] the invention of the flintlock) the O'Neill gallowglass (clad in gambeson/chainmail and using greatswords) contributed greatly to winning a decimating victory against an opposing force of lowland scots and english who were principally using matchlock muskets. And yet just past 1648 (the year that the flintlock was invented) there's absolutely no mention of gallowglass being used or hired by anybody in europe. I think it's fair to assume that the invention of the flintlock system in firearm technology rendered firearms far too useful and reliable of a weapon for dedicated melee warriors to have any use on the battlefield.

Anyone know why bringing up my weapons reduces my movement speed multiplier by 45? Upon sheathing the weapons again I also have to sprint to restore my original speed multiplier value. I've already experimented a bit with toggling mods that I thought likely to affect it, but no dice. Edit: I'm well aware that having your weapons up is supposed to reduce my movement speed, what I don't get is why I have to sprint to restore the sheathed values.

Saw this article on my facebook and thought of morrowind [URL]http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2013/07/long-before-trees-overtook-the-land-earth-was-covered-by-giant-mushrooms/[/URL] On-topic, I wanted to try an ENB now that I have over clocked my GPU safely. Still looking for a low requirement one, that enhances color realisticly. Anyone have a suggestion.

[QUOTE=whatthe;43027646]Saw this article on my facebook and thought of morrowind [URL]http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2013/07/long-before-trees-overtook-the-land-earth-was-covered-by-giant-mushrooms/[/URL] On-topic, I wanted to try an ENB now that I have over clocked my GPU safely. Still looking for a low requirement one, that enhances color realisticly. Anyone have a suggestion.[/QUOTE] If you just want an ENB that fixes colors you may want to just go for Imaginator which is a skse plugin that lets you adjust color correction at any time within the game. You'll eat up way less CPU this way.