The Elder Scrolls Megathread XV: A Song of Ice and Draugr - Games

[QUOTE=Elspin;43373226]Well I mean their hands were kinda tied, letting you alter something as huge as [i]natives retaking a significant portion of an entire continent[/i] would probably make it hard to represent in the lore for the next game. "The dragonborn may or may not have helped the forsworn retake a massive region of skyrim, we can't tell. We couldn't be arsed to walk there." :v:[/QUOTE] Well you can already change the outcome of the rebellion, so why not the forsworn as well ? It's generally accepted everything the player can do in a TES game is canon, even if in a single playthrough they don't make sense together. For instance it's totally admitted that the hero of kvatch somehow in a single lifetime (and game-wise in the span of less than a year) : - Met every single daedric prince, and interacted with them significantly - Was the grey fox - Was an assassin of the Dark Brotherhood - Helped conquer Kvatch back - Helped Martin Septim defeat Mehrunes dagon - Was full part of both the fighters and mages guild - Defeated Mannimarco the king of worms - Found a cure for vampirism - Became Sheogorath - Etc As for things that actually have a huge impact on the world (such as the civil war or the forsworn rebellion), TES games tend to skip relatively large amounts of time between each game to explain long-term consequences to such actions. I would assume the forsworn rebellion will be considered accomplished by the next game (considering you get to free their boss), and the civil war will be irrelevant because after Ulfric's death and the Dragonborn's disappearance, regardless of the outcome of the civil war, the empire had no issue taking back the lands for lack of a strong figure at the head of an independent Skyrim. Not to mention, the TES lore has always been strongly implied to be nothing more than a really fragile, easily deformed thread of reality. It has happened several times before that reality itself would be bent into a completely new shape, the school of Alteration magic itself is entirely based around fucking around with the qualities of reality, and many NPCs in each game mention how, regardless of what you do, the various divines and daedric princes will get what they want eventually, and the PC's freedom of actions in a world directed by destiny is explained by the fact every single of their actions are actually their own little path of reality that somehow all merge together whenever the gods summon a new champion. So, yeah, the TES writers have explained the lore's multiple paths by simply just squeezing every single course of action together into a single warped reality of whole and none. And if it makes no sense for the PC to have done a certain action in correlation with another (like the dragonborn being a vampire, a werewolf, having given his soul to hircine and nocturnal all at the same time), then the details are just lost in history and somehow someone completely different ends up being given the credit for something. It's a complete mindfuck.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43374719]Well you can already change the outcome of the rebellion, so why not the forsworn as well ? It's generally accepted everything the player can do in a TES game is canon, even if in a single playthrough they don't make sense together. For instance it's totally admitted that the hero of kvatch somehow in a single lifetime (and game-wise in the span of less than a year) : - Met every single daedric prince, and interacted with them significantly - Was the grey fox - Was an assassin of the Dark Brotherhood - Helped conquer Kvatch back - Helped Martin Septim defeat Mehrunes dagon - Was full part of both the fighters and mages guild - Defeated Mannimarco the king of worms - Found a cure for vampirism - Became Sheogorath - Etc As for things that actually have a huge impact on the world (such as the civil war or the forsworn rebellion), TES games tend to skip relatively large amounts of time between each game to explain long-term consequences to such actions. I would assume the forsworn rebellion will be considered accomplished by the next game (considering you get to free their boss), and the civil war will be irrelevant because after Ulfric's death and the Dragonborn's disappearance, regardless of the outcome of the civil war, the empire had no issue taking back the lands for lack of a strong figure at the head of an independent Skyrim.[/QUOTE] No, every single one of those events is canon, but the identity of the person that did them is not. The only things canonically ascribed to the CoC are the MQ and the SI (and maybe the KotN).

Also the PC is either the luckiest/least lucky person on Nirn for stumbling on all these artifacts, or the daedric princes always know when the divines somehow summon a new champion and they always do their best to put the artifacts right in front of the champions to fuck with them.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43374719]Well you can already change the outcome of the rebellion, so why not the forsworn as well ?[/QUOTE] Easy: the rebellion might be a big thing politically but skyrim remains skyrim. Sure some jarls are switched out and such but by and large the province is exactly the same. Assuming the forsworn rebellion succeeded an entire quite large and wealthy region of skyrim would disappear off the map to be replaced with villages controlled by tribes. I mean sure it might be like 40 years till they make another game where you play in skyrim but they'd eventually have to pick on or the other - reach controlled by forsworn or not. I'm not quite sure how the rebellion explanation will play out because I have no idea what's going to happen next in TES history. Maybe another war with the aldmeri dominion will start or something, and skyrim will choose to fight against them regardless because "fuck elves", they'd probably help part of the empire or not. Maybe the aldmeri dominion take over the rest of the empire and skyrim is one of the last remaining provinces, which would make the empire defunct meaning the civil war's outcome wouldn't matter. Regardless of what happens though, I still find it massively ironic that the elves beat the rest of the world into submission in the history that comes along with the TES game that made magic weak as shit :v:

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43374837]Also the PC is either the luckiest/least lucky person on Nirn for stumbling on all these artifacts, or the daedric princes always know when the divines somehow summon a new champion and they always do their best to put the artifacts right in front of the champions to fuck with them.[/QUOTE] I kind of like that idea, of all the Divines and Daedra knowing that the PC is hot shit and so they pay special attention to them while all the other mortals just get mega fucked-over.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;43374968]I kind of like that idea, of all the Divines and Daedra knowing that the PC is hot shit and so they pay special attention to them while all the other mortals just get mega fucked-over.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much the point of Mehrunes Dagon's quest.

I imagine that, if they aren't hunted to near extinction again, the Empire might start hiring dragons as mercenaries. Dragons can be a pretty devastating siege unit in my experience. Then those elves would be fucked.

[QUOTE=AntorkaDelta;43375282]I imagine that, if they aren't hunted to near extinction again, the Empire might start hiring dragons as mercenaries. Dragons can be a pretty devastating siege unit in my experience. Then those elves would be fucked.[/QUOTE] Dragons are way too proud to ever accept being treated as mercenaries. I mean, the dragonborn has authority over a single dragon and it took a duel to get that much respect. I doubt the empire would go through sending people out duelling dragons to get credit.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43375303] I mean, the dragonborn has authority over a single dragon and it took a duel to get that much respect. I doubt the empire would go through sending people out duelling dragons to get credit.[/QUOTE] I dunno, some mortals can manage to do some dragon shouts according to Skyrim, which means if the Thalmor ever managed to get the Bend Will shout we'd be fucked

[QUOTE=HyperTails;43375320]I dunno, some mortals can manage to do some dragon shouts according to Skyrim, which means if the Thalmor ever managed to get the Bend Will shout we'd be fucked.[/QUOTE] Everyone would join the hivemind, apart from dragur deathoverrulerlords and bandits in plate armor.

[QUOTE=HyperTails;43375320]I dunno, some mortals can manage to do some dragon shouts according to Skyrim, which means if the Thalmor ever managed to get the Bend Will shout we'd be fucked[/QUOTE] Isn't Bend Will an insanely hard to master shout that's pretty much going to die with the dragonborn ?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43375533]Isn't Bend Will an insanely hard to master shout that's pretty much going to die with the dragonborn ?[/QUOTE] you also learn it from the master of tentacle hentai speaking of which i wonder how boned mora would be if he discovered the internet he'd be forced to learn everything [B][I]EVERYTHING[/I][/B]

I really wish I could play skyrim for more than five minutes at a time but it just keep crashing when I go anywhere near solitude or windhelm. Killing a dragon near Riften also crashes the game. Pretty much three quarters of the map are fucked for me. I tried disabling most of my mods, ENB and such, to no avail. It just crashes immediately to desktop, no warning, no message. The most I managed to learn was a single "failed to initialize renderer" message that never showed up again, and people on the internet have no clue what causes it. It's just the engine taking a big deep shit and to my knowledge it's not fixable. And when it's not crashing, textures disappear, normal maps get fucked and things go black or solid yellow. The game just can't hold itself together.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43375303]Dragons are way too proud to ever accept being treated as mercenaries. I mean, the dragonborn has authority over a single dragon and it took a duel to get that much respect. I doubt the empire would go through sending people out duelling dragons to get credit.[/QUOTE] Wasn't there a dragon merc in Redguard? Anyway, I'm kinda surprised that Beth spelled Draugur with the U. That's the modern Icelandic spelling; it'd make sense for them to drop it to keep in line with the Old Norse, wouldn't it?

They didn't though, in the English version it's Draugr.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43375738]They didn't though, in the English version it's Draugr.[/QUOTE] Is it? I've not played the game for a while and this post: [QUOTE=DrasarSalman;43375333]Everyone would join the hivemind, apart from [U]dragur [/U]deathoverrulerlords and bandits in plate armor.[/QUOTE] made me think otherwise. I feel stupid now.

I wish I could use magic spells whilst riding a horse.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43375711]I really wish I could play skyrim for more than five minutes at a time but it just keep crashing when I go anywhere near solitude or windhelm. Killing a dragon near Riften also crashes the game. Pretty much three quarters of the map are fucked for me. I tried disabling most of my mods, ENB and such, to no avail. It just crashes immediately to desktop, no warning, no message. The most I managed to learn was a single "failed to initialize renderer" message that never showed up again, and people on the internet have no clue what causes it. It's just the engine taking a big deep shit and to my knowledge it's not fixable. And when it's not crashing, textures disappear, normal maps get fucked and things go black or solid yellow. The game just can't hold itself together.[/QUOTE] Sounds like a reinstall is in order, which mod manager are you using?

I enjoy how the most I've ever had is a mod not working or crash on startup that was fixed from removing it. Literally 0 gamebreaking mods.

After looking up actual draugur (I figured they had a real-world counterpart because of the name), I'm glad as fuck they're just zombies in the game and not malign beings with the powers ascribed to them by mythology.

So I have been thinking, draugr are a relatively recent thing since they began to rise after dragons returned. This makes me wonder then what kept people from taking all the loot we find in these nordic crypts if the monsters only appeared relatively recently?

[QUOTE=1chains1;43377797]So I have been thinking, draugr are a relatively recent thing since they began to rise after dragons returned. This makes me wonder then what kept people from taking all the loot we find in these nordic crypts if the monsters only appeared relatively recently?[/QUOTE] I don't think they really are all that recent, considering they showed up in the Bloodmoon expansion for Morrowind

So I can't figure out a way to thumb puu.sh images, they come out broken when I put thumb tags on them. Any advice for that because I have some good pictures theyre just huge so I can only post like one. [IMG]http://puu.sh/65tAQ[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/65txr[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/65tAe[/IMG] And then making a bridge of ice across freezing water because I have frostfall active and falling in would mean death. [IMG]http://puu.sh/65twZ[/IMG] and how terrifying the skeever face is when you really look at it: [IMG]http://puu.sh/65tCT[/IMG]

[QUOTE=1chains1;43377935] and how terrifying the skeever face is when you really look at it: [IMG]http://puu.sh/65tCT[/IMG][/QUOTE] "The most famous hero of Skyrim is Tiber Septim" [I]Skeever snarling[/I] :v:

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;43377066]Sounds like a reinstall is in order, which mod manager are you using?[/QUOTE] NMM. I'll probably try reinstalling everything although that'd be a pain in the arse.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;43378983]Bought skyrim with all DLC for 20$. Where do I start.[/QUOTE] Play the vanilla game at least once then go to skyrimgems.com and get mods for what you didn't like.

[QUOTE=Medevila;43374269]In those pictures, Floriana Australis and the latest vanilla Oblivion ENB[/QUOTE] I'm assuming it's not [URL="http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/26291/"]this one[/URL]? I put that in and activated it as-is and it just made everything very contrasted and it kind of kills my eyes I'll get the one from Boris' site and see if that's good [B]EDIT:[/B] yeah, no, durr, should've figured not to get ENB from nexus

[QUOTE=1chains1;43377797]So I have been thinking, draugr are a relatively recent thing since they began to rise after dragons returned. This makes me wonder then what kept people from taking all the loot we find in these nordic crypts if the monsters only appeared relatively recently?[/QUOTE] Well the dungeons still have somehow functioning traps in them. Maybe people didn't loot them out of respect for the dead? I think there was one quest where you have to escort this guy through a burial crypt and he yells at you if you take anything.

[QUOTE=Jojje;43379017]I'm assuming it's not [URL="http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/26291/"]this one[/URL]? I put that in and activated it as-is and it just made everything very contrasted and it kind of kills my eyes I'll get the one from Boris' site and see if that's good[/QUOTE] Get the one from the official website, turn HDR on and set everything up yourself from the ingame menu.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43379044]Get the one from the official website, turn HDR on and set everything up yourself from the ingame menu.[/QUOTE] Using Wrapper version I get a black screen when the ENB is active. Thoughts?