The Elder Scrolls Megathread XV: A Song of Ice and Draugr - Games

Why take a vanilla follower? I just make all my important follower & Home related NPCs in the Creation kit I'd much rather have something i am glad to have with me than somebody who i find okay to go with to later realize they are dickheads

[QUOTE=GoldenBullet;43838157]Just pre-ordered the imperial edition![/QUOTE] At some point closer to release we should make a list of us so we can all play on pre-release or something (assuming that's possible, I mean likely there's going to be huge issues) Haven't been able to log into ESO all day

It's back up and I got on no problem.

[QUOTE=Elspin;43838575]At some point closer to release we should make a list of us so we can all play on pre-release or something (assuming that's possible, I mean likely there's going to be huge issues) Haven't been able to log into ESO all day[/QUOTE] Wait people have actually preordered the imperial edition The fuck is wrong with you people

[QUOTE=Masamune;43838719]It's back up and I got on no problem.[/QUOTE] It's lagging like shit right now.

[QUOTE=Elspin;43838213]Well, it seems kinda like a dick move to kill someone because something bad happened to them that you don't wanna think about. Well I mean if they let you do that a lot of other things would not happen that would leave you missing out on what is basically the point of the expansion character-building wise. That's the nature of it being an expansion, but why not let them encounter the main villain early? Skyrim does that too, with alduin. Most of everything will show you the villain early on because it gives you a sense of purpose to what you're trying to achieve. I get that it's different when you're already a high level but hypothetically there's a tonne of gargoyles, hellhounds, and thousand year old vampires in there. You probably shouldn't be able to fight it alone head on in that situation.[/QUOTE] I don't want to kill Serana for that, it's because she's a vampire with an Elder Scoll, that has bad news written all over it and the game just decides that there's nothing you can do about it. When you encounter Alduin at the begining of the game, you're always a low level. The next time, if you attack him, he fu-ro-dahs you down and flies away. The other times, you fight him. Plus he's a demigod, so there's an excuse. Harkon gets no handwave on why you can't just shank him when you meet him. My point is that the basis of the Dawnguard side of the plot is bullshit. It starts in bullshit and the player ends up having to jump through hoops you could have justifibly avoided in the beginning. [editline]8th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Elspin;43838213]Or maybe I'm better than you at it but I'm playing on legendary? Seriously this is where your post kinda devolved from nonsensical to childish but whatever.[/QUOTE] Most followers can only be killed by your own hand unless you've got a mod that removes their Protected status (or you used courage to get them off their knees and it wore off before their health came back).

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;43838853]Most followers can only be killed by your own hand unless you've got a mod that removes their Protected status (or you used courage to get them off their knees and it wore off before their health came back).[/QUOTE] That used to be wrong but apparently it's not anymore. I got skyrim on release, and at that point followers could totally be killed by enemies when in the bleedout status, they just didn't try to intentionally. But you get 15 draugrs swinging warhammers around like they're wasted, and they still would. Apparently they changed this in one of the later patches, but it wasn't how it always was. [editline]8th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;43838727]Wait people have actually preordered the imperial edition The fuck is wrong with you people[/QUOTE] We like the game? What's wrong with you?

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;43838791]It's lagging like shit right now.[/QUOTE] Not for me.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;43838853]Most followers can only be killed by your own hand unless you've got a mod that removes their Protected status (or you used courage to get them off their knees and it wore off before their health came back).[/QUOTE] The AI doesn't always stop attacking a protected follower when they get downed and they can kill them. Other than being hit by the player, they can also be killed be traps and things that deal damage over time, such as poisons, drain life, fire, etc.

Well, unless you're going for a no-reload DiD thing the issue of followers dying has never been problematic for me. Only twice has a follower did, once when I found out Chain Lightning doesn't discriminate and another when they charged to attack the same enemy I was and they got in my way. I just reloaded.

[QUOTE=Elspin;43838979]That used to be wrong but apparently it's not anymore. I got skyrim on release, and at that point followers could totally be killed by enemies when in the bleedout status, they just didn't try to intentionally. But you get 15 draugrs swinging warhammers around like they're wasted, and they still would. Apparently they changed this in one of the later patches, but it wasn't how it always was. [editline]8th February 2014[/editline] We like the game? What's wrong with you?[/QUOTE] The game is going to go F2P. It's not going to last very long so spending your money on it wasn't very wise.

[QUOTE=Elspin;43838979]That used to be wrong but apparently it's not anymore.[/QUOTE] My copy definitely didn't get the memo. I had to stop using Kharjo, my favorite follower, because he was so underleveled compared to my (then) maxed character that he would literally get killed by everything. [editline]banana[/editline] ahh my merge

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;43839072]The game is going to go F2P. It's not going to last very long so spending your money on it wasn't very wise.[/QUOTE] Meh, you never know. World of Warcraft is legit one of the worst games I've played in my life and look how successful it became. Either way, I like the game so I'm going to support it - if you don't I don't really care. I am really offended at the whole pre-order bonuses thing but that's happening to more and more games I like so I'm kinda realizing it's something I'm going to have to deal with.

[QUOTE=Eriorguez;43838258]So, anything I should know before installing the Unofficial Skyrim Patch? I have some conflicting mods that alter some specific objects, but I guess having those load after the patches would solve it. Also, the patches have to be below the expansions (and therefore load after them) to have it work properly, right? [editline]8th February 2014[/editline] (and on a side note, which one was the good Oblivion face mod? I do not recall its name.)[/QUOTE] Mind if I repeat that, as this would be lost in the previous page? Also, I kinda hope playing as an Imperial becomes possible for people other than preorderers...

[QUOTE=Eriorguez;43839139]Mind if I repeat that, as this would be lost in the previous page? Also, I kinda hope playing as an Imperial becomes possible for people other than preorderers...[/QUOTE] I think it was oblivion character overhaul, and yeah I hope that too.

The Khajiit claws gross me the fuck out

[QUOTE=Elspin;43838979]We like the game?[/QUOTE] why

[QUOTE=Sector 7;43839274]why[/QUOTE] I already made a pretty huge list of pros and cons earlier in the thread, you could just look for that I guess? If you want a short summary it's that I like how the character development is still way more open than most MMOs, I like the crafting, and probably most of all the quests are voice acted and have a shit tonne more personality than you'll find in any MMO I can think of. I mean don't get me wrong, a lot of the writing is terrible, but some of it has actually made me laugh (when intended) and that's more than a lot of games can say.

Managed to make my copy of Skyrim unbootable earlier because of a graphical mod, theres this constant urge with me to constantly try and improve the graphics of this game and today it finally bit me in the arse. Anyway, I tried this alcohol challenge someone asked me to do in Whiterun and I've ended up in a place way off the map. Only got to cleaning up the crap my character dropped and apologised but I'm getting the feeling this is going to play out similar to The Hangover.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gD13Wx1.png[/IMG] guess I won't be playing any ESO today

I think that the Elder Scrolls Online are a disgrace to the franchise, not only because it is very boring and bad but also because of the huge amounts of money and time that went into it(and a list of other things that are rubbish) And charging 60 dollar+15 dollar each month is just stupid, if Star Wars couldnt beat WoW and had to go free to play why would this game be different. But it is your money to waste I suppose.... The enviroments look kinda decent considering the texture quality and the voice acting is decent but it just slaughters the lore and makes it look so generic. I mean, I don't even think for me that a good PvP can save this game because I have alot of other PvP games that DON'T require me to pay much money each month.

ESO doesn't do anything another MMO hasn't done. The only thing it has riding for it is that it is coming from a lore rich universe (which it refuses to make use of) and that it has a semi-competent character creation screen. The story and voice acting is bland as hell. SWTOR does a better a job of it.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43833609][video=youtube;foP3CnK2MI8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foP3CnK2MI8[/video] I almost, [I][B]almost[/B][/I] can't bring myself to mock that glorious Russian accent. [sp]it makes game doesn't look realistic[/sp][/QUOTE] No MMO is ever going to 'kill World of Warcraft'. This is a cycle we go through every year or two. A new MMO is coming out and either it or it's potential fans scream about how it's a 'WoW Killer' and it'll be the death of World of Warcraft. Then, it comes out and a few months later, everything goes mysteriously quiet. WoW continues to sit on it's golden throne eating chicken wings, and then some time later a new MMO is coming out and either it or it's potential fans scream about how it's a etc, etc. I've seen picnic blankets with less consistent patterns, and it's to the point that 'WoW Killer' means 'Game that is going to try and fail to top World of Warcraft'. The only thing that's ever done damage to WoW, and the only thing that will kill WoW, is time. Over time, their subscribers have gone down, and they look to be continuing to do so. They make expansions to breathe life into the game, but we can't really make much more now, can we? Much more and we'll have a Presidential Library of WoW races, and enough new areas that Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdom make up 5 percent of Azeroth. Maybe once it does die, we can do something constructive with MMOs as a genre and stop making WoW clones.

At this point WoW is more like the Emperor of WH40k fame than anything. Sitting upon the golden throne could not possible be a more fitting metaphor. It's so stupidly old that it should by all logic be dead, yet it isn't, literally being on lifesupport that was crafted for a god. It's a guiding light for every single MMO even though things would likely be better if it wasn't, and every new MMO (metaphor for everything that isn't mankind) wants to kill it.

[QUOTE=G3rman;43839534]ESO doesn't do anything another MMO hasn't done. The only thing it has riding for it is that it is coming from a lore rich universe (which it refuses to make use of) and that it has a semi-competent character creation screen. The story and voice acting is bland as hell. SWTOR does a better a job of it.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen SWTOR's story because the gameplay was so bad when I tried it at my friend's that I couldn't stop laughing at the jedi's hilarious choreographed dance moves that had nothing to do with the enemy, but what exactly makes it better than a story that [i]you haven't even seen[/i]? I mean if you're going to judge the story based on the tiny fragment of it you likely didn't even see all off in the beta that makes me less than confident in your ability to judge it. It could be terrible, it could be pretty good, it could be just average. I'll hold out on waiting to see a bit more of it, I liked the beta enough to at least give it a shot.

[QUOTE=kr1f333;43839365][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gD13Wx1.png[/IMG] guess I won't be playing any ESO today[/QUOTE] Yeah this is fucked up. I logged in a few hours ago and I went in instantly. I logged out to have dinner, log back in... now I gotta wait an hour. Guess I should have just went /afk, if that's a thing in this game.

[QUOTE=Elspin;43839781]I haven't seen SWTOR's story because the gameplay was so bad when I tried it at my friend's that I couldn't stop laughing at the jedi's hilarious choreographed dance moves that had nothing to do with the enemy, but what exactly makes it better than a story that [i]you haven't even seen[/i]? I mean if you're going to judge the story based on the tiny fragment of it you likely didn't even see all off in the beta that makes me less than confident in your ability to judge it. It could be terrible, it could be pretty good, it could be just average. I'll hold out on waiting to see a bit more of it, I liked the beta enough to at least give it a shot.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I got sick of all the cliches I found in the first half hour of the game that I couldn't go on. And I'd rather take the flashy moves of SWTOR combat to the stiff robot mechanics I have to watch from a First Person perspective in ESO.

[QUOTE=G3rman;43839917]Sorry, I got sick of all the cliches I found in the first half hour of the game that I couldn't go on.[/QUOTE] That's another thing that is wrong with this game. People said to me in-game that later it gets better around the level 10. But if you can't hook your customer for that long, then it is pretty stupid, just put them in the real world where they can wonder instead of making them a prisoner on shitty islands.

lollll what, i have a queue that's sitting at about an hour and 20 minutes right now. was going to give this a try for the first time but nope, what a joke. from what i'm reading in this thread and elsewhere it's probably a good thing that i'm not able to be subjected to this game

Interesting, me and a friend played this and really liked it, decided to give it a go and pre-ordered, then looked at opinions afterwards. I'm trying games out a lot more whilst shielding myself from community-impressions because if I had read this thread first then played with my friend the likelihood of me enjoying it would be lessened severely Not defending the game in any way, it definitely has flaws, just interesting I guess.