The Elder Scrolls Megathread XV: A Song of Ice and Draugr - Games

The thing that gets me about Online is that I'm told that it violates the lore like a mofucka, but I'm not as up on the lore as I'd like to be (and plan on becoming), so like, playing it, every time a person says a bit of lore I have to take it with a grain of salt.

Not to mention Elder Scrolls are buff items.

[QUOTE=Skyward;43853363]Not to mention Elder Scrolls are buff items.[/QUOTE] It would take me a month to explain to you how that sentence doesn't even make sense.

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;43853608]It would take me a month to explain to you how that sentence doesn't even make sense.[/QUOTE] There is no time to wait then, better start doing it now. I'm in the mood for some good lecture.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;43853342]The factions make 0 sense, Altmer, Bosmer, and.... Khajiit. Yeah let's throw fucking Khajiit with the Aldmeri Dominion not to mention that Khajiit and Bosmer have been warring for centuries. Breton, Orsimer, and Redguard (yeah because the Orcs would work with the Redguard and Bretons that enslaved and warred with them, yep).... Nord, Dunmer, and Argonians. The fucking Argonians are in the same alliance as the Dunmer. Are you shitting me? Dunmer [I][B]HATE[/B][/I] the Argonians. That's just the Alliances... there's a lot more shit that was posted but I haven't had the liberty to actually experience it. There's also a city that's supposed to look like it's made of Glass and really high sky scraper towers when described in the books in the TES games but in TESO it's generic medieval city #2065923 Oh should I mention that in no TES books at all did it ever describe giant fucking anchors coming from the sky trying to drag Nirn into Coldharbour. I mean that'd be a pretty HUGE event to write in history but nope it's like it never existed as if Molag Bal wiped everyone's memories.[/QUOTE] The factions exist in the way they do because they wanted them all to be right next to each other. That's where it starts from, and then it tries to justify it from there. Still, they do make an effort to justify it. When I played, just about every time Argonians and Dunmer were next to each other it was in a very tense and negative way, and they do give off a strong feeling that they are only technically allies because of the pact, and in every way they still hate each other.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43852640]You mean Battlefront 3 and KOTOR2 right? Also Obsidian did 2 not Bioware.[/QUOTE] Sorry, Battlefront. I get the two mixed up. Also, there was a KOTOR 3 being tossed around internally, after Obsidian's 2. It never made it out of concepting.

[QUOTE=Avager;43853629]There is no time to wait then, better start doing it now. I'm in the mood for some good lecture.[/QUOTE] Naw just read. [url]http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Elder_Scroll_%28Lore%29[/url]

Anybody else getting error 201 login service failed?

Almost an hour on the Cyrodiil loading screen and still going. WHAT THE FUCK

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;43853342]The factions make 0 sense, Altmer, Bosmer, and.... Khajiit. Yeah let's throw fucking Khajiit with the Aldmeri Dominion not to mention that Khajiit and Bosmer have been warring for centuries. Breton, Orsimer, and Redguard (yeah because the Orcs would work with the Redguard and Bretons that enslaved and warred with them, yep).... Nord, Dunmer, and Argonians. The fucking Argonians are in the same alliance as the Dunmer. Are you shitting me? Dunmer [I][B]HATE[/B][/I] the Argonians. That's just the Alliances... there's a lot more shit that was posted but I haven't had the liberty to actually experience it. There's also a city that's supposed to look like it's made of Glass and really high sky scraper towers when described in the books in the TES games but in TESO it's generic medieval city #2065923 Oh should I mention that in no TES books at all did it ever describe giant fucking anchors coming from the sky trying to drag Nirn into Coldharbour. I mean that'd be a pretty HUGE event to write in history but nope it's like it never existed as if Molag Bal wiped everyone's memories.[/QUOTE] Perhaps looking up the alliances on the wiki might help, because despite the fact that Argonians and Dunmer are in the same alliance, the lore behind the alliances makes a lot of sense: [quote]The Ebonheart Pact was a politically fragile yet powerful military alliance between Skyrim, Morrowind and Black Marsh. It was formed in 2E 572, amidst the turmoil of the Second Akaviri Invasion.[/quote] ([URL="http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ebonheart_Pact"]source[/URL]) And they do still hate eachother. There was a quest where you had to give Argonian antidotes to Dunmer and the Dunmer said shit like "ugh, did the Argonian filth make this?" It works.

[QUOTE=Masamune;43853814]Perhaps looking up the alliances on the wiki might help, because despite the fact that Argonians and Dunmer are in the same alliance, the lore behind the alliances makes a lot of sense: ([URL="http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ebonheart_Pact"]source[/URL]) And they do still hate eachother. There was a quest where you had to give Argonian antidotes to Dunmer and the Dunmer said shit like "ugh, did the Argonian filth make this?" It works.[/QUOTE] Those out all out of game references, literally [B][I]all[/I][/B] of them are; they were specifically tailored for TESO. [img]http://puu.sh/6QtWJ.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Laferio;43853849]Those out all out of game references, literally [B][I]all[/I][/B] of them are; they were specifically tailored for TESO. [img]http://puu.sh/6QtWJ.png[/img][/QUOTE] Regardless, my point was that they were giving decent enough reasons for the alliances to exist in their Q&As, whether they were in books in the game or not. Whether people like it or not, they have the rights to make shit up about the lore (I think?). They have to fill in holes.

Actually, that's pretty much the entire lore... It's all made up to explain something in-universe. It's also ductile, to a point. Even Kirkbride doesn't claim all his stuff is exactly as it's written. However, some things are slightly less acceptable. Like Shick's "Transcription Errors."

For example, Cyrodiil, at the time- was still a jungle. in TESO it ain't a jungle. "transcription error"

[QUOTE=Explosions;43853223]I haven't been keeping up with this new MMO at all. Can someone fill me in on how it breaks TES lore, or link me to somewhere that does?[/QUOTE] I haven't encountered much of it in gameplay personally but there's a lot of stuff I've seen around. For starters you don't use soul gems for making enchantments, you use them to revive yourself and others, although you do use them to recharge enchantments. The high elven city is butchered massively, instead of it being the fantasy city described in the books it's a totally normal castle of some sort. There was also some screenshot of a quest where you find a poisoned argonian, when they are supposed to be immune (though technically they're not in skyrim, which is the most recent canon game).

[QUOTE=Avager;43853629]There is no time to wait then, better start doing it now. I'm in the mood for some good lecture.[/QUOTE] "Elder Scrolls are" Not necessarily. Elders SCrolls are fragments of Creatia. If you were to count the number of elder scrolls on Nirn, you would get a different number if you counted again tomorrow. They randomly appear and disappear across the world, but appear to be able to [URL="http://images.uesp.net/7/75/SR-quest-Elder_Knowledge_03.jpg"]be trapped[/URL] through magickal means, and are attracted to The Towers, as evidenced by the formerly great stockpile of them in White-Gold. The Elders scrolls are and aren't. "buff" Elder Scrolls have a tendency to induce madness in [URL="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Septimus_Signus"]those who read them[/URL] without years of preparation. Even then, the [URL="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ancestor_Moth_Cult"]Moth Priests[/URL] who devote their lives to reading and discerning the information trapped in the scrolls inevitably go blind, trading some of their mundane vision for knowledge with each reading. The Elder Scrolls would really be more of a max-level debuff item. "items." See above, after acquiring an Elder Scroll, next time you check your inventory it might not be there, rendering them utterly worthless as an item.

[QUOTE=Masamune;43853814]Perhaps looking up the alliances on the wiki might help, because despite the fact that Argonians and Dunmer are in the same alliance, the lore behind the alliances makes a lot of sense: ([URL="http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ebonheart_Pact"]source[/URL]) And they do still hate eachother. There was a quest where you had to give Argonian antidotes to Dunmer and the Dunmer said shit like "ugh, did the Argonian filth make this?" It works.[/QUOTE] It "works" for the factional system because it had to. It's an inauthentic move and it contravenes a whole rich history written by people who thought about it and turned it into a game [I]after the fact[/I], and it's full of the same tired old fantasy platitudes and tropes we see all the time. Making a character hermaphroditic, naming a god for rape, racial genocide, and unapologetically weird shit is stuff that ESO would never touch. Please let no one get away with the argument that "Zenimax made it kinda lore-y, so it just is."

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;43854096] "buff" Elder Scrolls have a tendency to induce madness in [URL="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Septimus_Signus"]those who read them[/URL] without years of preparation. Even then, the [URL="http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ancestor_Moth_Cult"]Moth Priests[/URL] who devote their lives to reading and discerning the information trapped in the scrolls inevitably go blind, trading some of their mundane vision for knowledge with each reading. The Elder Scrolls would really be more of a max-level debuff item. [/QUOTE] Still yet, they're capable of doing great things. In Skyrim, they were used to break the dragon twice. In Oblivion, they were used to see the future. And they make a really good weapon if you open them toward the enemy. Also, they appeared to stop fluctuating after they disappeared from the White-Gold Tower... That may be because nobody's found all of them, though the ones that have been found seem to be fixed in reality. But yeah, buffs they are not.

[QUOTE=woolio1;43854508]Still yet, they're capable of doing great things. In Skyrim, they were used to break the dragon twice. In Oblivion, they were used to see the future. And they make a really good weapon if you open them toward the enemy. But yeah, buffs they are not.[/QUOTE] Well, define "buff". Blindness in exchange for some form of knowledge could be a buff, in a sense, considering it's not all of your vision at once. Lots of people trade partial blindness for running speed in morrowind with the boots of blinding speed, although of course there's ways around the blindness affect.

[QUOTE=Elspin;43854536]Well, define "buff". Blindness in exchange for some form of knowledge could be a buff, in a sense, considering it's not all of your vision at once. Lots of people trade partial blindness for running speed in morrowind with the boots of blinding speed, although of course there's ways around the blindness affect.[/QUOTE] The point is Elder Scrolls are rare and mighty artifacts. They are the elusive items that come from the name of the series after all. A consumable item demeans their purpose.

Elder scroll consumption will soon be the leading cause of death among young tamrielics

[QUOTE=G3rman;43854745]The point is Elder Scrolls are rare and mighty artifacts. They are the elusive items that come from the name of the series after all. A consumable item demeans their purpose.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, only if they're like... too easy to obtain. Like an elder scroll found as part of defeating some unbelievably powerful enemy would be fine, I mean you find like 3 elder scrolls in skyrim, 1 in oblivion, and probably more in others than I'm forgetting right? As long as it's a suitably epic journey to obtain the elder scroll and not like a "Oh hey you beat that level 15 wolf? Here's an elder scroll in exchange, traveler!" then it's not demeaning at all really.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;43854771]Elder scroll consumption will soon be the leading cause of death among young tamrielics[/QUOTE] elder scrolls are the leading cause of death among high school age teenagers surpassing alcohol and marijuana dont do elder scrolls kids you'll go blind and your palms will get hairy

imagine: after you've clipped through a crowd of 30 people at the quest giver for it, with names like shadowbane123 and gayweeddad69 and SGT_BLAZE all hovering over each other, doing naked simulated pushup sex and bunnyhopping because their quivering retardation can't allow them to stop moving and then you have to team up with them to take down the boss while they shout things in pubescent squeals over their mic and spam things like "healer gotbig titties" and "xDxDxD" and "ur mom a hairy jewess" and then you finally watch them swarm the drop for their elder scroll, just like yours the horror

There should be a counterfeit elder scroll that looks exactly like a real elder scroll, weighs like one, but when you open it instead of telling you all of the outcomes of future and past in the great continuum it just burns insults and badly drawn pictures of poop into your retina.

or maybe they shouldn't even use an elder scroll as a fucking buff item, be creative, and think of something else.

Don't mind me just on my way to the CORE [t]http://puu.sh/6hVZh[/t]

#GAINS

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43855103]There should be a counterfeit elder scroll that looks exactly like a real elder scroll, weighs like one, but when you open it instead of telling you all of the outcomes of future and past in the great continuum it just burns insults and badly drawn pictures of poop into your retina.[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/OgENJEg.jpg[/t] I remember seeing an actual ingame mod of this, but I can't find it.

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;43855427][t]http://i.imgur.com/OgENJEg.jpg[/t] I remember seeing an actual ingame mod of this, but I can't find it.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6uAi_CtXAM[/media]