The Elder Scrolls Megathread XV: A Song of Ice and Draugr - Games

Sorry I'm a bit late to this, but what is this story everyone is talking about?

[QUOTE=Arrk;43911905]Sorry I'm a bit late to this, but what is this story everyone is talking about?[/QUOTE] c0da, CoDA, CODA, coda, or any variation. It's a story about the end of the current Kalpa, with a little bit of Divine Superheroism for good measure.

It is a damn shame Skyrim doesn't have spellcrafting, seeing it included really neat ways of casting spells. I wanna make more poison damage Restoration spells, dammit, not just the rune.

[QUOTE=woolio1;43911968]c0da, CoDA, CODA, coda, or any variation. It's a story about the end of the current Kalpa, with a little bit of Divine Superheroism for good measure.[/QUOTE] C0DA is the story of the end of the current The Elder Scrolls saga. c0da stories are reprints of Kirkbride's old writings with [new] art.

I read this on TV Tropes "If a giant and a non-hostile dragon are in the same area, the giant might try to ride the dragon; with hilarious results." Is this true? it sounds hilarious.

[QUOTE=Lomme;43909084]Who needs voice acting when computers can talk. (laughs)[/QUOTE] HEYAHAEHAHEE

[quote]PAGE 20 PIC 1: TOMORROWIND – PULSE PLAZA - MORNING Large pic of people running around in a crowded chaos in the Neo-Victorian Tomorrowind version of Times Square. More than half of the people have TELEVISION SETS for heads, and these are chasing the others. The TELEVISION SET HEADS are only unified in their strange, replaced heads; otherwise, they are people from all walks of life: businessmer, construction workers, tourists of all stripes and races, vagrants. The speaking TELEVISION SET HEADS are spaced around the panel, each one chasing an uninfected CITIZEN. Their SPEECH BALLOONS are static-laden and jagged at the edges.[/quote] This is gold.

[QUOTE=woolio1;43910629]The gods are robots, apparently. Talos is glitched to all get-out, probably because time itself has sort of gone all wibbly. Talos is also Lorkhan... Maybe some sort of reincarnation bobble going on there?[/QUOTE]Talos mantled Lorkhan, so I imagine VIRUS refers to mantling And since men to worship Talos are apparently extinct, it is easy for Lorkhan to reappear when Talos' divinity is questioned, ie: by the protagonist [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] From what I can tell, the Thalmor succeed in their plans at some undetermined point and the Dunmer escape the ruined Nirn to live in the moon. Basically they are living with the Et'Ada as refugees from the dying universe

[QUOTE=Jzzb;43912606]Talos mantled Lorkhan, so I imagine VIRUS refers to mantling And since men to worship Talos are apparently extinct, it is easy for Lorkhan to reappear when Talos' divinity is questioned, ie: by the protagonist [editline]14th February 2014[/editline] From what I can tell, the Thalmor succeed in their plans at some undetermined point and the Dunmer escape the ruined Nirn to live in the moon. Basically they are living with the Et'Ada as refugees from the dying universe[/QUOTE] That makes sense... So what about the Nu-Man? Is it actually a new race of menmer created by Vehk&Vehk and Jubal? (Actually, how does that Vehk-as-a-woman thing work, anyway? Isn't he/she hermaphroditic, because he sort of grew into his mother's body?)

Nu-man as far as I remember at the moment are the new men/beings/whatever in the new Kalpa. Vehk/Vivec/Vehk has always been about duality, I'm not surprised that she was a she at the end.

[QUOTE=imadaman;43913736]Nu-man as far as I remember at the moment are the new men/beings/whatever in the new Kalpa. Vehk/Vivec/Vehk has always been about duality, I'm not surprised that she was a she at the end.[/QUOTE] Okay... Reading back through, how is Vivec the High Alma's daughter if Vivec vanished into the aetherium after Oblivion? Is Vivec reborn sometime after 4E201? Oh. Oh... Something just clicked. The Nu-Man is the New Amaranth, a new dreamer with a new dream. Another layer in the Elder Scrolls continuity. A new reality. So reality above goes on in a broken universe with a broken Nirn, and reality begins anew below it. That's the new Kalpa. That's the end of our Mundus, with our heroes, and our story. That's why this is the end. THINGS ARE STARTING TO MAKE SENSE.

[QUOTE=woolio1;43913952]Vivec vanished into the aetherium after Oblivion[/QUOTE] He didn't?

[QUOTE=imadaman;43913999]He didn't?[/QUOTE] He disappeared from Nirn for over two hundred years. That's why the Ministry of Truth fell into Vivec, leading to the eruption of Red Mountain and the destruction of Vvardenfell.

He vanished from the trial, doesn't mean he left Mundus. [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] Might answer some questions; [url=http://pastebin.com/EwtEbtgD]MK is, as you might guess, FREE_ASSOCIATE[/url]

[QUOTE=imadaman;43914207]He vanished from the trial, doesn't mean he left Mundus. [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] Might answer some questions; [url=http://pastebin.com/EwtEbtgD]MK is, as you might guess, FREE_ASSOCIATE[/url][/QUOTE] So the whole thing was his fuck you to Beth/Zenimax making the lore generic? Seems fair to me. Also, the more I think about it, the more that C0DA reminds me of some of the stranger/non-culture writings of Iain M Banks, that kind of frenetic, defiant otherworldliness.

[QUOTE=imadaman;43914207]He vanished from the trial, doesn't mean he left Mundus. [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] Might answer some questions; [url=http://pastebin.com/EwtEbtgD]MK is, as you might guess, FREE_ASSOCIATE[/url][/QUOTE] Hold on, did MK admit that all this was something entirely different from the actual Elder Scrolls over-story? You know what? I'm okay with that, with C0DA being its own thing. A different story with the same characters, written by whoever wants to write it. That's cool. It's sort of saying you can make the universe how you want it. Dream your own dream. It's also entirely fanfiction, so while it's all canon to Kirkbride's story, it's not all officially Bethesda-canon. Which means this is all mostly inconsequential until Bethesda officially acknowledges any of it.

[QUOTE=woolio1;43914454]Hold on, did MK admit that all this was something entirely different from the actual Elder Scrolls over-story? You know what? I'm okay with that, with C0DA being its own thing. A different story with the same characters, written by whoever wants to write it. That's cool. It's sort of saying you can make the universe how you want it. Dream your own dream. It's also entirely fanfiction, so while it's all canon to Kirkbride's story, it's not all officially Bethesda-canon. Which means this is all mostly inconsequential until Bethesda officially acknowledges any of it.[/QUOTE] Actually [quote][20:01:09] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> why u think they really releasing their NDA PvP at THE SAAAAME TIME [20:01:18] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> we gottem onna run [20:01:30] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> We already they sequel ya'll [20:01:45] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> anything they say with this type of canon lifted? [20:01:52] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> gonna full fuck em inna face [20:02:04] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> because it's no longer a divided camp [20:07:21] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> the canonmasters have endorsed this each and every kindgom [20:07:46] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> you're acting like I'm the only Secret Master that's endorsed this [20:11:49] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> I dun blowed up the world for ya'll IN THEIR FACE [20:12:03] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> and they're surrendering in public, already did so in private [20:12:31] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> star wars is my next target [20:13:14] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> that is the TRUTH [20:13:16] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> all the war you see in TES public is NOT REALLY HAPPENING [20:13:36] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> there is no TES canon to TES canon ANYMORE [20:13:44] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> no such thing [20:13:51] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> the secret masters [20:13:57] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> have let you go [20:14:03] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> in private [20:19:20] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> why are you clinging to the idea of canon when it's obviously a public secret war [20:22:56] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> ask yourself why i'm doing this in their FACE and they're spamming in MY FACE and no real call to desist? [20:23:10] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> CUZ THAT AIN'T REAL [20:24:21] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> funny thing is your not-canon even isn't left behind [20:24:36] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> it was endorsed half a year ago [20:24:50] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> we made a CONVENTION in your face [/quote]

[QUOTE=imadaman;43914480]Actually[/QUOTE] Uh... Okay, Kirkbride is obviously on a lot of drugs there, but I can't really make out his incoherent rambling... Can you paraphrase, since you're obviously getting this? I'm just grasping at straws.

[quote][20:02:04] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> because it's no longer a divided camp [20:07:21] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> the canonmasters have endorsed this each and every kindgom [20:07:46] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> you're acting like I'm the only Secret Master that's endorsed this[/quote] Loremasters/canonmasters/overlords/etc. have agreed to this [quote][20:13:36] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> there is no TES canon to TES canon ANYMORE [20:13:44] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> no such thing [20:13:51] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> the secret masters [20:13:57] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> have let you go [20:14:03] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> in private [20:19:20] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> why are you clinging to the idea of canon when it's obviously a public secret war [20:22:56] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> ask yourself why i'm doing this in their FACE and they're spamming in MY FACE and no real call to desist? [20:23:10] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> CUZ THAT AIN'T REAL[/quote] Exactly what it says on the tin, there's no canon canon for TES, everyone that has power has agreed to it, or as with ESO people will have to conform with it. [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] [quote][20:12:31] <%FREE_ASSOCIATE> star wars is my next target [/quote] And Star Wars is going to crawl into a corner and cry at some point in the future.

[QUOTE=imadaman;43914547]Loremasters/canonmasters/overlords/etc. have agreed to this Exactly what it says on the tin, there's no canon canon for TES, everyone that has power has agreed to it, or as with ESO people will have to conform with it. [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] And Star Wars is going to crawl into a corner and cry at some point in the future.[/QUOTE] ... Is this the equivalent of a full presidential pardon for Shick? Actually, is Kirkbride basically trying to get his followers to stop taking everything he says as truth with this? Because I remember reading that bugged him for a while, people bashing Bethesda for their storylines because they didn't compare to his.

No, more like "No, you won't play with our toys, build your fucking own. Here's some pinecones and sticks."

[QUOTE=imadaman;43914650]No, more like "No, you won't play with our toys, build your fucking own. Here's some pinecones and sticks."[/QUOTE] I'm not getting this, then... Sorry if I'm seeming obtuse, I'm just genuinely very confused here. Can you sort of break it all down into something I can understand? Like, I get that he's trying to get people to stop fighting over the lore. I understand that. However, saying everything is canon kind of... I don't know, it just sort of destroys any sense of continuity. That's what I'm having trouble understanding. What happens if Bethesda goes another way with the game lore? Are both now simultaneously canon? Is neither? What about ESO? How does that factor in? I'm just having trouble rationalizing everything.

BGS threw ESO out of the canon too, you'd think Kirkbride would notice that if he's getting pissy at ESO

I don't know. Okay, TES is the fantastic pinecone cow made from pinecones and sticks. Bethesda, Kirkbride and co. have polished and shined and carved them into the fantastic pinecone cow setting we know and love. And then Shick came and started doodling with watermarkers and spraypainting the pinecone cows that we love. So what they did is that they gathered enough pinecones and sticks for everyone to make their own pinecone cows. And threw Shick's at his face. Or something. tl;dr [img]http://i.imgur.com/mZ0fhGn.jpg[/img] Fuck Shick.

[QUOTE=imadaman;43914763]I don't know. Okay, TES is the fantastic pinecone cow made from pinecones and sticks. Bethesda, Kirkbride and co. have polished and shined and carved them into the fantastic pinecone cow setting we know and love. And then Shick came and started doodling with watermarkers and spraypainting the pinecone cows that we love. So what they did is that they gathered enough pinecones and sticks for everyone to make their own pinecone cows. And threw Shick's at his face. Or something. tl;dr [img]http://i.imgur.com/mZ0fhGn.jpg[/img] Fuck Shick.[/QUOTE] So everybody can make anything and call it Elder Scrolls canon now? Is that what he's doing, in order to get people to stop fighting over the lore? So now we can have multiple simultaneous streams of lore, and not have them intersect, and both will be considered completely legitimate? So Shick's story is as canon as my story is as canon is Kirkbride's is as canon as BGS's? Is that the way they're going with this? Because that seems like a messy way of doing that.

[quote]C0DE of C0da My C0DA: Lorewise, I've had my say on these matters for the time being, and now all of my work is canon since canon is no longer a word with practical utility. Other practical applications of mine I'd like to reiterate or clarify are: mine is free to use, yes, as a template infinitely full of templates. My C0DA is where all of Nirn's can exist in simulcast without regret. The C0DA: There is no such thing as TES fanfiction anymore, unless some one wants to keep it that way. And that's fine, WE doesn't need them, because C0DA is the ever-growing, ever-more-embracing-of-its-fans-contributions and the natural evolution of old TES sped up for the modern age sequel to not any one game in the series' but a sequel to all of it combined. +++ One last infinite thing about The C0DA, as a fellow Free Associate at Day One Dog: Look at the LOVE. It's all over the place. Even the Downvotes are civil. If The C0DA has any rule it is the rule of civility in which to freely associate. We are not here to conquer or get in fights over anything, because... ...we Won the War of Canon. In Winning it, we threw it out. But we're still polite about it existing. And under this umbrella of free association there are no more titles, especially lore-ones; no masters, no vets, no newbs, no casu-el.... unless they reserve that space. That's a part of open spacing The Elder Scrolls to everyone, unbound by platforms or beta keys or pay ins because, above all: There is no more marketing and branding and franchising and selling the joy of The Elder Scrolls. No more fear to swat or get swatted. The law of The C0DA shouldn't cause the former, and it does not tolerate the latter. There is no camping here, only LFG or solo or game moderators when and if we choose. We are the new ETADA, still in beta, and we're going to never be over. Anyone can add to this, no matter if they just pop out of nowhere, have never heard of TES, or are a rocket scientists that dabbles in watercolors. From our tumblr, we've had 5000+ visitors today, some of whom may just have been stopping by. No one should ever be a newbie to joy, only veterans of it. This is the Paradise Mankar could have had if he only remembered not to covet his own gains and not covet solely the idea of Freedom. The C0DA will not fight you on this matter. But we will gladly rejoice when ever you choose to acknowledge your surrender. The War is Over. There is no Canon where WE live. [/quote] From Tomorrowind Today

[QUOTE=imadaman;43914848]From Tomorrowind Today[/QUOTE] So it is a way to stop people from fighting over what is and isn't canon, by giving people freedom to write their own variation of the story and have it be canon. Someone should go tell Shick so he can drop the "transcription errors." Unless he wants to keep it that way, I guess. It's his story now. Another thought, I really hope the Bethesda guys embrace this sort of mentality and get a bit more fantastical with the series. But I guess if they don't, that's apparently fine too. So... Here's a thought. If I were to write a c0da which goes completely against Michael Kirkbride's, where Tamriel still exists and has steam trains and things, would it be just as valid as C0DA?

Yes. I mean, the Dunmer and co. (or at least some of them) escaped to C0DA from a timeline that survived until 9th Era where Nerevarine rode Akulakhan to stall Numidium and allow them to escape.

[QUOTE=imadaman;43915012]Yes. I mean, the Dunmer and co. (or at least some of them) escaped to C0DA from a timeline that was during 9th Era where Nerevarine rode Akulakhan to stall Numidium and allow them to escape.[/QUOTE] So... Should we start calling it the Elder Scrolls Multiverse when we refer to the lore in its entirety?

I have no clue. Actually, I think it's CoDA now. [quote] C0DA is a living, collaborative, Open Source universe. This space is here to store additions, reflections, corrections, and connections to it. We will update as the project develops, new covers breaking the time periods. Tell your own C0DA, or expand on someone else's, below. [/quote] from Tomorrowind Today again [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] Oh, it's C0DA, not CoDA. silly font on the page fooled me. [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] I don't know.