The Elder Scrolls Megathread XVII: Paid Mods? Not in My Community. - Games

[QUOTE=Vehk;47805802]Neither side in the conflict had the moral high ground. That's something Bethesda actually wrote right for once. The Stormcloaks are throwing a misguided hissy fit and the Imperials aren't bothering to try and find some sort of compromise (though the Thalmor probably wouldn't even let them). The whole Civil War is totally stupid and isn't helping anything, but that's intentional.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I really like this about the Civil War. Just wish every discussion about it didn't also become a misguided hissy fit. [QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;47805805]yes, they're called the imperials.[/QUOTE] Never really felt like that was the case, even after getting all the lore and getting a view of the bigger picture. The Talos-no-longer-exists nonsense was clearly going to rile up some shit and the Imperials just let it slide by, even coming to the point where they will slaughter nordlings for it. No wonder people rebelled then. Regardless of that, 'high' variants of elves are awful and narcissist in pretty much all forms of fantasy media. Fuck elves.

[QUOTE=Vehk;47805819]The Dragonborn singlehandedly kicking the Thalmor out of Skyrim would be amazing, but sadly... [editline]asdf[/editline] I'd love to have an equivalent of New Vegas' Independent ending for the Civil War, or just a "kill all fucking yellow elf Nazis seriously gtfo" option. We need a good mod for it.[/QUOTE] There are "Fight against the Thalmor" series mods on Nexus.

[QUOTE=Vehk;47805133]*civil war reasoning*[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter in the end, because the Thalmor always win and fuck the entire universe up according to Kirkbride. So I pick the badass rebels. Stormcloaks 4 lyfe

Mind you at the end of the day Kirkbride isn't part of bethesda anymore and bethesda wants to make more TES games for more money They'll probably figure out some batshit reasoning for why the thalmor don't win in the end.

If the Thalmor do win I want TES 6 to have a Wolfenstein The New Order-like plot.

[QUOTE=Vehk;47805802]Neither side in the conflict had the moral high ground. That's something Bethesda actually wrote right for once. The Stormcloaks are throwing a misguided hissy fit and the Imperials aren't bothering to try and find some sort of compromise (though the Thalmor probably wouldn't even let them). The whole Civil War is totally stupid and isn't helping anything, but that's intentional.[/QUOTE] The Imperials totally have the moral high ground, though. I mean they're not perfectly moral, but in comparison to the Stormcloaks they have the high ground. Really, if not for the fact that they wanted to execute me because I happened to steal a horse somewhere around the same spot Ulfric was fucking about for ??? reason, I don't think there's any reason to hate on the Imperials at all. Yeah, they banned the worship of Talos. They kinda had to. They wouldn't have won. And the thing is, before the Stormcloaks did their thing, people were still worshipping Talos all over. The ban wasn't really widely enforced or anything, because it's not like the Imperials actually wanted to ban it. This whole inquisition thing only started because of the Stormcloaks throwing their hissy fit and drawing the Thalmor's attention.

I'd love to know the canonical ending to the civil war, it's an awkward one to look at. As much as I'd like to try to side with the Imperials, I never do. I guess it's partly to do with the fact that when Skyrim came out originally, people in school were all like "oh you should side with the Stormcloaks cause it's like our (Irish) history" and so on and so forth. Plus it just seemed more fun to join a rebellion and overthrow someone, never looked into the actual consequences of the matter. Rather regretting ever siding with the Stormcloaks from what it could mean for everyone who isn't with the Thalmor. Then again it's just a game too. Eh sorry for the ramble.

There really should have been a neutral option like New Vegas' wildcard ending.

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;47807617]There really should have been a neutral option like New Vegas' wildcard ending.[/QUOTE] the neutral option is to not participate

The neutral option should be a proper implementation of the High King mod. Except not janky and broken.

We all know NPC mages are bullshit right? I made a mod that basically makes them have their spells cost 1.5 times as much as normal, rather than the absurd half-cost that they get in the vanilla game. It makes it fair as they seem to run out of magic after using one or two adept level spells that can three-shot you in like 2 seconds. [url]http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/66313/?[/url] try it out and tell me what you think.

[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;47808020]We all know NPC mages are bullshit right? I made a mod that basically makes them have their spells cost 2 times as much as normal, rather than the absurd half-cost that they get in the vanilla game. It makes it fair as they seem to run out of magic after using one or two adept level spells that can three-shot you in like 2 seconds. [url]http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/66313/?[/url] try it out and tell me what you think.[/QUOTE] Would this cause problems with like Requiem?

[QUOTE=BrosefStachin;47808224]Would this cause problems with like Requiem?[/QUOTE] well, if you load it last in the load order, it should only change one game variable. so, probably not.

could you also disable their regen during combat? or make it so that we can customise npc magic stats with skyui, if that's at all possible

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;47807126]Mind you at the end of the day Kirkbride isn't part of bethesda anymore and bethesda wants to make more TES games for more money They'll probably figure out some batshit reasoning for why the thalmor don't win in the end.[/QUOTE] He says they win, because TES is the story of men falling to mer - but he doesn't say [I]when.[/I] Elves are extremely long lived, and there's already been two Thalmors; it's not hard to believe that this Thalmor will fall, and another will rise with the same goals in another thousand years and win.

So what happens if Bethesda is all like "nope fuck that" and totes throws Kirkbride's story out the window? We all know it will happen :v:

the only thing that really makes sense is that long term, the elves will win. they want to reunite with the aedra and the spirit plane, which would effectively mean the end of the universe. all things have a beginning and an end, especially a universe. the end, somewhere, far down the line, will likely be the elves bringing about the destruction of mundus [editline]26th May 2015[/editline] it could be eons and eons down the line

[QUOTE=Vehk;47809254]So what happens if Bethesda is all like "nope fuck that" and totes throws Kirkbride's story out the window? We all know it will happen :v:[/QUOTE] I still don't think Bethesda will, they seem to have a lot of respect for MK's insanity even if they can't include it all. Only way I could see that happen is executive meddling on the part of the Shadow Lord Puppetmaster, Zenimax.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47809259]the only thing that really makes sense is that long term, the elves will win. they want to reunite with the aedra and the spirit plane, which would effectively mean the end of the universe. all things have a beginning and an end, especially a universe. the end, somewhere, far down the line, will likely be the elves bringing about the destruction of mundus [editline]26th May 2015[/editline] it could be eons and eons down the line[/QUOTE] [img]https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0307/57/1394567029187.png[/img]

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;47809928][img]https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0307/57/1394567029187.png[/img][/QUOTE] i'm angry about robots

the thalmor were a shitty cliché

Everyone here is forgetting that the player characters in TES games are the only ones not bound by fate (excluding CHIM'd dudes) That right there gives Bethesda a lore-friendly reason to overturn whatever "fate" Tamriel and Nirn have, an all without having to even resurrect Numidium.

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on the lore. Unless it is set in stone that they could NEVER muster up a fleet capable of taking the thalmor on again, Couldn't the Sea Elves invade Summerset again, and possibly win? I mean the events of War of The Isle took place roughly ~525 years before the events of Skyrim, that is plenty of time to gather up a massive army. Another event that could happen that would possibly fatally damage the Thalmor would be the Third Akaviri Invasion. I know pretty much nothing of the lore, so I might be wrong on all counts, who knows.

Lore/opinion question, do you guys think that Talos became a god? I'd say yes but I have little knowledge on the tes lore (Skyrim's the only game I've played) so I migth be factually wrong.

[QUOTE=-Iker-;47810635]Lore/opinion question, do you guys think that Talos really became a god?[/QUOTE] Yes, and there's really no denying it. His blood counted for Divine blood in Oblivion, after all.

[QUOTE=-Iker-;47810635]Lore/opinion question, do you guys think that Talos became a god? I'd say yes but I have little knowledge on the tes lore (Skyrim's the only game I've played) so I migth be factually wrong.[/QUOTE] With CHIM, anything is possible.

[QUOTE=-Iker-;47810635]Lore/opinion question, do you guys think that Talos became a god? I'd say yes but I have little knowledge on the tes lore (Skyrim's the only game I've played) so I migth be factually wrong.[/QUOTE] No, he didn't really [i]become[/i] a god, because he already was one. Talos/Tiber Septim is a Shezzarine, one of Lorkhan's avatars.

[QUOTE=-Iker-;47810635]Lore/opinion question, do you guys think that Talos became a god? I'd say yes but I have little knowledge on the tes lore (Skyrim's the only game I've played) so I migth be factually wrong.[/QUOTE] He's an avatar of Lorkhan, so technically -yes-. My question is, what's the difference between an anticipation (what almsivi is) and an avatar like Talos?

[QUOTE=Snood_1990;47810788]He's an avatar of Lorkhan, so technically -yes-. My question is, what's the difference between an anticipation (what almsivi is) and an avatar like Talos?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the Anticipations are Almsivi just BSing the Dunmer with their similar personality traits. "Yeah guys, we're totally the gods you were worshipping before! Just keep up the god-lovin'!"

The difference is that Shezzarine are literal Mantles of Lorkhan, essentially Lorkhan reincarnated into mortality, whereas the Tribunal stole Lorkhan's power by using the Heart. [editline]banana[/editline] Oh, and I apparently completely forgot the Anticipation part. The Anticipations are the 3 "good" Daedra that the Temple directly relates to the Tribunal, Boethia to Almalexia, Mephala to Vivec, and Azura to Sotha Sil. Anticipations have nothing to do with the whole Lorkhan/Shezzarine thing. Basically the story is that the Tribunal asked the Daedra to stop being dicks to the Dunmer, most said "no fuck you," but the 3 Anticipations said "ok" and so they did and basically swore loyalty to the Tribunal. That's all a load of horseshit though, as we know.