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I think there is an issue of royalties as well. Plus, if we do get a returning third party character, it will probably be Sonic.

Snake and Sonic were essentially donated, weren't they? Kojima practically begged Nintendo to use Snake in Melee, and Sonic Team wanted the same with Sonic as a sign of the two companies' improving relationship. Yeah I know royalties still happen, but to me it seems like if anyone will be the one to say yes or no to their return, it'll be the original IP holders. If Kojima's still a humongous Smash Bros fanboy and Sega still thinks there's a point to prove, I think they'll say yes.

The only difference between Kojima and Sega is that Sega's good will relationship has lasted.

[QUOTE=Everything;42276542]But... Asset reuse costs virtually no development time. That's why some modern franchises are able to put out blockbusters on a yearly basis. As an example... Say you're a series developer, Smash 5 is being developed, and you want Megaman to be included again. Here's how to do that: > Examine existing assets and compare with the next game's recognized formats. If they match perfectly, straight-port and update the visuals. You're done. > If there are differences in the engine or in the types of files needed, assess the differences and begin to compensate for them. > Usually you'll have a program available that can adapt content to a newer engine, so use that and update the visuals once it's working in the new engine. You're done. > If not, convert the filetypes used in the older engine to raw values which can be plugged into equivalents in the new filesystem. Update visuals once this process is complete. You're done. Literally the only reasons why third party characters would be left out are the developers' opinions on the characters themselves, their balance, or their relevance. Development time is not a factor here.[/QUOTE] Okay, well you definitely know more about the process of creating a character than I do. I'm going off of scattered knowledge, as well as the fact that Sakurai said some characters sadly had to be left out (due to issues I personally am not aware of) and if I could think of any characters that would be left out (using solely my uneducated sense), it would be Snake, Toon Link, Sonic, and Lucas in order of most likely to least likely. I mean, say it's easy to make a character, which it apparently is--going along with your idea of the developer's opinions regarding the character's themselves, their balance, and relevance, Snake may very well be lacking in some of those categories (primarily relevance). Anyway, [B]hopefully[/B] they'll decide to put Snake in the new game. That's definitely something I want.

Snake wasn't so much an olive branch as Kojima showing up and being all "OMG I am such a massive fan of Smash Bros, I would LOVE one of my characters in it. Please? Pretty please with sugar?" They didn't have enough time to add Snake to Melee, so they basically told him "Sorry, we can't this time around. We owe you on the next one though." And so he was one of the first characters confirmed for Brawl.

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The thing about Snake is he's hardly a Nintendo character and he doesn't have any real history with Nintendo. Oh yes, I forgot the terrible NES games, the not too popular Gamecube remake and the actually decent GBC game that no-one remembers. The last game he actually got on a Nintendo system was a port of an older game. So that's about 5 games compared to the dozens he got on Playstation. Quite frankly as much as I love Metal Gear and Snake, he was one of the worst fitting third party characters you could have. When he was confirmed, it opened the doors to a world of stupid suggestions for characters that are barely Nintendo. And since MGS5 is coming up, which isn't even on a Nintendo console and is a huge tone shift from the older games, having Snake represent that game would be incredibly unfitting. I could see Snake returning but just as easily I could see him not returning.

Guys, I've been looking at your lists, and while some of the predictions and hopes are sound, you've all failed to realise that Nintendo should totally put Goku in the next Smash Bros.

btw on a previously related note, once Waluigi is released I'm gonna figure out how to hack characters into my buddy's Wii (which I still haven't learned/figured out how to do) and then go up to the dorm floor above and invite everyone to play Brawl. At which point I'll film their reactions when fucking Waluigi and Mewtwo and other characters are playable out of the blue.

I hope Sonic comes back with some reworks to him to make him more interesting to play.

[QUOTE=Reds;42277531]Guys, I've been looking at your lists, and while some of the predictions and hopes are sound, you've all failed to realise that Nintendo should totally put Goku in the next Smash Bros.[/QUOTE] and micheal from gta v. this was a miiverse comment. [B]edit[/B] who I would like however proto man or bass

[QUOTE=Keychain;42278062]I hope Sonic comes back with some reworks to him to make him more interesting to play.[/QUOTE] they could take some stuff from sonic lost worlds. when brawl came out they didn't really have much to work with

I remember be so disappointed that no Brawl hacks beyond character models were usable for me. Recently I realised it was probably due to the fact that I was using the Pal version of Brawl.

[QUOTE=Y'all.;42278804]they could take some stuff from sonic lost worlds. when brawl came out they didn't really have much to work with[/QUOTE] Tbh there's a lot to work with in Sonic Colors too

[QUOTE=Keychain;42276037]What exactly defines a "reason" for a character being in the game, and how does a character have "no reason"[/QUOTE] Well, if we're going by in general rather than specific to certain characters, being majorly involved in a current game is the biggest reason because of marketing. Or in the case of pokemon, movies; that's what got Mewtwo (Mewtwo returns), Pichu (Pikachu & Pichu), and Lucario in.

[QUOTE=Keychain;42276037]What exactly defines a "reason" for a character being in the game, and how does a character have "no reason"[/QUOTE] General accepted possibilities for character inclusion include relevance to newer games (mostly, if not only visible in the Pokémon series), importance to the series and to Nintendo(see: all other series represented in Brawl), and potential as a fighter (one of many reasons people think Little Mac will be playable). Of course, all these are purely speculation. We don't know what Sakurai's criteria is, and unfortunately the fan-defined reasons why characters are included lead to debates on why characters AREN'T included, namely "King K. Rool is no longer relevant! He will never be in SSB4."

I think it's also worth mentioning that of the five characters removed from melee to brawl (Pichu, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario, Roy, and Young Link), only Pichu and Dr. Mario lack more recent equivalents* (Lucario, Ike and Toon Link). Although that can be explained for gameplay reasons, as they were both clones and I don't think they were popular. I swear the main reason Pichu was added was to be a dud for all-random matches.

I hope everyone gets more interesting taunts.

[QUOTE=BRS;42278796] who I would like however proto man or bass[/QUOTE] If we get alternate skins, which is highly unlikely, I want a Protoman or Bass skin. Preferably Protoman. If not, we'll probably get a Protoman or Bass set of colours for the alternate colours.

[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/HEvWr6j.jpg[/thumb] Might as well post the daily, even though there isn't much to say about it.

I have something to say: Whoever's playing Samus is a bonehead for shooting a projectile at Fox :v:

[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;42279910]General accepted possibilities for character inclusion include relevance to newer games (mostly, if not only visible in the Pokémon series), importance to the series and to Nintendo(see: all other series represented in Brawl), and potential as a fighter (one of many reasons people think Little Mac will be playable). Of course, all these are purely speculation. We don't know what Sakurai's criteria is, and unfortunately the fan-defined reasons why characters are included lead to debates on why characters AREN'T included, namely "King K. Rool is no longer relevant! He will never be in SSB4."[/QUOTE] I think the key to roster prediction is to expect the unexpected. No matter what someone's viewpoint is, there's always "evidence" in Sakurai's past decisions, and ultimately it usually just comes down to what that particularly person wants out of the game, and how they see things as a result. See, I really want Little Mac in the game. I can say he's iconic, the star of one of the most well known of Nintendo's NES hits, and has a recent sequel to boot, but ultimately, it's really just because I like him and I like Punch-Out that I think he'll make it.

Little Mac would be an amazing addition to the next smash bros, and I can't help but feel he's been strongly hinted at with that boxing ring. He better have a pink jumpsuit costume.

[QUOTE=Kegan;42282206]Little Mac would be an amazing addition to the next smash bros, and I can't help but feel he's been strongly hinted at with that boxing ring. He better have a pink jumpsuit costume.[/QUOTE] I just hope that if they add him, they include Doc Louis coaching him from the background, pokemon trainer style. Would be so much wasted potential if they don't.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42282214]I just hope that if they add him, they include Doc Louis coaching him from the background, pokemon trainer style. Would be so much wasted potential if they don't.[/QUOTE] Only if they record some lines for Doc like they did for Punchout. Playing the Wii Punchout is so surreal to have a character fully voice acted and so expressive.

[QUOTE=Kegan;42282263]Only if they record some lines for Doc like they did for Punchout. Playing the Wii Punchout is so surreal to have a character fully voice acted and so expressive.[/QUOTE] They'd better write some good victory lines, like "They say nothing is sweeter than victory. I say, there's chocolate AHAHAHA!"

[QUOTE=Maruhai;42275610]why are you all thinking snake is out ;n;[/QUOTE] Can't imagine Snake fitting the new style. I think his inclusion in Brawl is why everybody was detailed, otherwise he'd have stuck out. I do love Snake and in a perfect world no character would get left behind (it's a flaw for a game to lose features in my eyes) but I can't see Snake making the jump. [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] Wonder what the chances are on Rayman. I remember always wanting Rayman and Banjo in as a kid. Now it actually looks more like a possibility Rayman could get in as he has such a massive Wii presence.

[QUOTE=Keychain;42275290]Smash Bros needs more villains so I still think K. Rool is a more viable decision.[/QUOTE] As much as we want him. King K Rool will never make it because he and the kremlings are owned by Rare. And Microsoft.

[QUOTE=Banjo7J;42275807]Yeah, that's one thing I've been noticing about a lot of predictions, they've had way more characters than Brawl did, despite Sakurai saying that the number of characters would probably be about the same.[/QUOTE] except he didn't say that he said the 3DS and Wii U versions would have the same number of characters, and then smashboards, in their infinite reading comprehension, totally misunderstood it

[QUOTE=Rageguy;42282673]As much as we want him. King K Rool will never make it because he and the kremlings are owned by Rare. And Microsoft.[/QUOTE] except that's entirely wrong