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[QUOTE=El Fonz0;42283072]except that's entirely wrong[/QUOTE] Considering he was in the Mario Baseball game i thought this would've been inferred

[QUOTE=Rageguy;42282673]As much as we want him. King K Rool will never make it because he and the kremlings are owned by Rare. And Microsoft.[/QUOTE] That's almost as bad as Microsoft themselves thinking they owned Donkey Kong by buying Rare.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42283004]except he didn't say that he said the 3DS and Wii U versions would have the same number of characters, and then smashboards, in their infinite reading comprehension, totally misunderstood it[/QUOTE] No, I'm certain he has said before that in terms of the amount of content, they wouldn't be going much higher than in Brawl. This was before the game was shown at all, and if I could remember where I read it, I'd post a link. Maybe I am completely wrong, and I'm just misremembering something, but I'm certain he has said there wouldn't be much of an increase.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42283004]except he didn't say that he said the 3DS and Wii U versions would have the same number of characters, and then smashboards, in their infinite reading comprehension, totally misunderstood it[/QUOTE] Now I'm confused. Are they having the same amount of characters as both versions, or are they having the same characters on both versions?

[QUOTE=light dasher;42283538]Now I'm confused. Are they having the same amount of characters as both versions, or are they having the same characters on both versions?[/QUOTE] Same characters on both versions. It's just the stages that will differ between console

Indeed. The stages will be more closely relevant to what has appeared on a given console series in the past (ex, Skyward Sword stage on WiiU, Spirit Tracks stage on 3DS)

I bought Super Smash Bros. Brawl yesterday... Am I a bit late?

[QUOTE=Everything;42284151]For this reason, it's thought that multiplayer between systems must take place on a stage that is available on both.[/QUOTE] There is no crossplay. The connectivity between versions will take some other form. though it's not entirely clear exactly what form. I believe it's something to do with customizable characters being transfeered from 3DS to Wii U.

[QUOTE=TheCactusman;42284187]I bought Super Smash Bros. Brawl yesterday... Am I a bit late?[/QUOTE] As someone who stood outside Gamestop for 2 hours on release night, yes, yes you are. :v:

Holy shit the anticipation I had for Brawl was unreal.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42283004]except he didn't say that he said the 3DS and Wii U versions would have the same number of characters, and then smashboards, in their infinite reading comprehension, totally misunderstood it[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Banjo7J;42283508]No, I'm certain he has said before that in terms of the amount of content, they wouldn't be going much higher than in Brawl. This was before the game was shown at all, and if I could remember where I read it, I'd post a link. Maybe I am completely wrong, and I'm just misremembering something, but I'm certain he has said there wouldn't be much of an increase.[/QUOTE] All right, let the master of Sakurai quotes get in on this. So, in summer of 2012, Sakurai spoke with Nintendo Power about the upcoming Super Smash Bros. games. This was shortly after the release of Kid Icarus: Uprising, before any major work had been done on SSB4. [QUOTE=Sakurai]In terms of quantity, we've probably already reached the limit of what's feasible. I think a change of direction may be what's needed. It isn't a matter of "if the next game has 50 characters, that'll be enough." There is a certain charm to games that have huge casts of playable characters, but they tend to have issues with game balance and it becomes very difficult to fine-tune each character and have them all feel distinctive.[/QUOTE] Taken at face value, it sounds like Sakurai is saying that it'll be impossible to incorporate more than 35 characters into a Smash Bros. game. However, there are a couple things you have to take into account: First: Namco-Bandai is helping out with SSB4. Sakurai has a much larger staff at his disposal than for the previous Smash games. A bigger team naturally means a boost in productivity. It goes without saying that they'll be able to produce more characters than before. Second: Sakurai won't be the only one balancing the characters any more. He used to do it all on his own, but now he has some of the best in the business there to help him. Third: Balance patches are a thing now. While Nintendo isn't known for rushing a game out and fixing its problems later with patches, they don't need to iron out every single detail before release. As long as there are no glaringly overpowered or underpowered characters, they can fine-tune the game post-release. Also: I would like to think that WFT's existence means that they have plenty of space to fill on the roster, so they decided to have fun with it. That's just a very optimistic guess, though. Besides: Do you really think Nintendo is going to let Sakurai get away with the same size roster as the previous game? The incident Flyingman was talking about was mostly unrelated. After the games' debut at E3, Sakurai stated that the games will have the same characters. Everyone over on Smashboards (and some of us over here, too) panicked because they thought that the 3DS would hold the Wii U version back in terms of content, cementing some fears that the roster would be tiny. Then someone on Smashboards shared this: [QUOTE=Smashchu of Smashboards]It should be noted that Sakurai says that they might reduce the number of characters but they will try and add as many as they can. But don't worry all. Smashchu did his homework. Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition has 35 characters where Tekken 3D: Prime Edition has 41 characters [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_S...IV:_3D_Edition[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekken_3D:_Prime_Edition[/url] Both games are on 2GB cards (Note that they may be smaller than that) [url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456554[/url] Currently, 3DS cards are able to go up to 8 GB [url]http://www.nintendolife.com/news/201...h_a_mighty_8gb[/url] As a reminder, Brawl was a dual layered disc which mean it could go up to 8 gigs (though it uses just under 7). [url]http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=146520[/url] They shouldn't have trouble having 45-50 characters.[/QUOTE] So, the 3DS won't be holding the game back in any way. It all depends on how long Sakurai wants to spend on balancing/how many characters he has the time to add.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Like you said, it was a different time and different circumstances.

From an interview with Polygon focusing on Sonic: Lost World: [quote] But as far as the blue hedgehog's possible appearance in the upcoming Super Smash Bros. Wii U? "We have no idea!" Webber said.[/quote] [url=http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/23/4748450/sonic-lost-world-pays-homage-to-the-series-past-while-revamping-for]Source[/url]. I doubt he had the power to confirm or deny it anyway.

I made a dream roster, I even took the time to position them on the roster specifically, for example, all the villains are next to each other, y'know, except Sonic. (Sorry, I don't like Ridley, so he's not on my dream roster, but that doesn't mean I would rage and flip tables if he was in game) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1eVSTKC.png[/IMG] Green = Confirmed Blue = Veterans, not confirmed Red = Newcomers Again, it's a dream roster, I'll probably make what I think will happen next. Oh and Robin on the roster, that's meant to be like what people think the Villager is going to be, alt costume is opposite gender.

3 PSI users and no Jeff or Duster? What's the reasoning behind that?

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42289002]3 PSI users and no Jeff or Duster? What's the reasoning behind that?[/QUOTE] Jess is an Assist Trophy, and Duster is from MOTHER3, which I personally think didn't do well wouldn't get a rep, the only reasoning behind putting Lucas in Brawl was to try and get more Mother 3 players, Lucas was also supposedly to replace Ness in Melee. And I'm also kinda hoping that re-do Ness' moveset. You know, so he has moves he actually knows.

Everytime I see the word 'Shulk' I think of She-Hulk and get confused like I've wordered into the Marvel vs Capcom thread or something. [sp]and then i think of boobs[/sp]

Here's my realistic roster, tell me what you think of it. Also tell me what you think that "?" would be. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YV6cCQy.png[/IMG] jesus fuck no one takes my rosters seriously, what am i doing wrong

[QUOTE=light dasher;42289027]Jess is an Assist Trophy, and Duster is from MOTHER3, which I personally think didn't do well wouldn't get a rep, the only reasoning behind putting Lucas in Brawl was to try and get more Mother 3 players, Lucas was also supposedly to replace Ness in Melee. And I'm also kinda hoping that re-do Ness' moveset. You know, so he has moves he actually knows.[/QUOTE] But Ness has a really great, unique playstyle that works as a representation of his series and is fun to play as. Paula and Poo would just be too similar, Jeff has some potential to be a totally different character, with all his explosives and item-based combat.

Flint could make a great non-PSI Mother character imo. While he might not have the huge moveset potential that Jeff or Duster have thanks to their unique items, he'd still be pretty interesting; toughening himself up offensively or defensively and being a powerhouse. Then again I doubt we'll get more than two Mother characters, I doubt they'll remove Lucas (Sakurai doesn't want to remove anyone if possible) and Mother isn't a huge franchise. I expect the same for Fire Emblem except they'll probably get a new character while possibly keeping Marth and a previous fighter (Ike or Roy).

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42289312]But Ness has a really great, unique playstyle that works as a representation of his series and is fun to play as. Paula and Poo would just be too similar, Jeff has some potential to be a totally different character, with all his explosives and item-based combat.[/QUOTE] Same reason Duster should be in, even with his series' dislike in Japan.

[QUOTE=V_Buns;42289369]Same reason Duster should be in, even with his series' dislike in Japan.[/QUOTE] I'm tired of Japan's opinions.

[QUOTE=Pvt Anderson;42289385]I'm tired of Japan's opinions.[/QUOTE] Considering Japan is the only place Mother 3 was released, they don't exactly have many other options there. I agree, Duster would be great. He's in my dream roster. But his chances are slim.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42289312]But Ness has a really great, unique playstyle that works as a representation of his series and is fun to play as. Paula and Poo would just be too similar, Jeff has some potential to be a totally different character, with all his explosives and item-based combat.[/QUOTE] I think there are enough differences between the 3 to have different playstyles. Poo could use Brainshock, Freeze, Teleport and Magnet. Paula could use Fire, Thunder, Magnet and Defence down(Would make the next few hits do more damage for a short time) Ness would have a re-worked to have Flash, LifeUp, Hypnosis and Teleport Just what I think really, most likely wont happen so don't let it bother you none.

I don't like over representing the same game in a franchise where each game has a large variety of characters. Fire Emblem, Mother, Pokemon etc all have a huge range of characters who are different in each game, it sucks when you include 5 from one game and only one from another. (COUGHCOUGHPOKEMONTRAINERCOUGHCOUGH). Having 3 PSI users from the same game would be really disappointing. What about all the other characters in the games? What about the other games in general? As a huge Mother and Fire Emblem fan it pains me to see two striped shirt PSI users and two blue haired swordsmen, because it hardly shows off the characters that both series are popular for. Yes, [I]I[/I] might be able to tell they're different characters but for non-fans they come across as too similar.

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42289430]over representing the same game in a franchise[/QUOTE] Isn't that kinda what makes a Dream Roster a Dream? V:v:V

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[QUOTE=Rageguy;42289602]um no it's not if Nintendo owned them, they'd be in tropical freeze and returns.[/QUOTE] No, Retro just decided not to use them in those. Stop insisting you're right based entirely on assumptions.

[QUOTE=Rageguy;42289602]um no it's not if Nintendo owned them, they'd be in tropical freeze and returns.[/QUOTE] Yeah and uh, since Roy wasn't in Brawl I guess nintendo lost the rights to him too? Weird how Sony suddenly got the rights to Waluigi after he wasn't in Mario Kart 7.

Hrm, besides 3 PSI users, anything else wrong with my dream roster? Too many pokemons~ [sp] Everything? [/sp]