The Super Smash Bros. Discussion and HEY join this idiots http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Smashpunc
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[QUOTE=Ayane-152;42332272]Already been done, no Half-Life though
[video=youtube;9bbH632PSpw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bbH632PSpw[/video][/QUOTE]
No offense but how is that related to what he said at all?
[QUOTE=Keychain;42332280]No offense but how is that related to what he said at all?[/QUOTE]
Well, releasin Smash 4 and Half-Life 3 on the same day would probably mean Valve characters (Even though it will never happen) join in Smash 4. Only thing is nobody would want HL fighters and TF2 characters got in a Sonic game so why not put them in with Mario and friends (Even though it will NOT happen and I won't be upset)?
Silly old 1516 seems to have gone and collected those 250 flags again.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;42329394]A real problem with finding metroid characters for smash is that aside from Samus, we don't know much about most of them.
The real exception is Ridley, but I don't think I want him [sp]after what was learned in Other M[/sp][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;42329520]We don't talk about Other M.[/QUOTE]
Did I ever mention in this thread that Other M wrote itself out of canon? That and the fact that there's enough backlash that Nintendo will probably pretend it doesn't exist come the next game.
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jesus christ why do people always talk about other m and they hate it so fucking much/
[QUOTE=BRS;42334352]jesus christ why do people always talk about other m and they hate it so fucking much/[/QUOTE]
Just go look it up, it's a horrible abomination of average gameplay with little to none of what makes the series good in the first place, as well as a terrible story on top of mutilating Samus' character into a useless monotone Adam-worshipper who breaks down at the sight of the Ridley, who she's killed like four times by then, refuses to do anything or use her weapons without Adam's permission, including not putting on her Varia suit until AFTER going through the heat area that automatically damages her, and generally ruins her character in general as a result of the game being Sakamoto's terrible fanfiction.
Sakamoto was the main cause, and was the result of terrible design choices in the game itself, such as not allowing the use of the nunchuk, amongst presumably a lot of things.
Oh, and to put emphasis on how useless and weak they made Samus, she's gone from six foot three in height to being tiny in comparison to all of the male marines. It's also most likely the reason why we've barely heard about Metroid since.
It's not great.
You're breaking the arbitrary rule set by people you don't know!
[QUOTE=Reds;42334503]Just go look it up, it's a horrible abomination of average gameplay with little to none of what makes the series good in the first place, as well as a terrible story on top of mutilating Samus' character into a useless monotone Adam-worshipper who breaks down at the sight of the Ridley, who she's killed like four times by then, refuses to do anything or use her weapons without Adam's permission, including not putting on her Varia suit until AFTER going through the heat area that automatically damages her, and generally ruins her character in general as a result of the game being Sakamoto's terrible fanfiction.
Sakamoto was the main cause, and was the result of terrible design choices in the game itself, such as not allowing the use of the nunchuk, amongst presumably a lot of things.
Oh, and to put emphasis on how useless and weak they made Samus, she's gone from six foot three in height to being tiny in comparison to all of the male marines. It's also most likely the reason why we've barely heard about Metroid since.
It's not great.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget about the WONDERFUL final boss.
[QUOTE=BRS;42334352]jesus christ why do people always talk about other m and they hate it so fucking much/[/QUOTE]
Because it's one of those games that isn't just abhorrently terrible; it also sees fit to shoot down any possibility to continue the series.
Jesus guys, Other M came out in 2010, not seeing a new game in the three years since then isn't a sign that they've given up on the franchise it's more likely a sign that they're working on a better title.
I mean there was a five year break between Metroid and Metroid II, a three year break between Metroid II and Super Metroid and an eight year break between Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion. Just be patient.
One is already in the [url=http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/20/retro-studios-high-on-list-of-candidates-to-develop-a-new-metroid-game-says-miyamoto/]planning stages[/url].
They need to release something to completely rewrite the story of Other M entirely (like a manga or something) so that it doesn't destroy Samus's character and doesn't contradict the canon of the rest of the series. It would be easy to keep the same plot and write it differently to fix all of this (the things that contradict the other games would be relatively small details that could be easily fixed, and Samus and Adam's characters could be vastly improved under a competent writer). Quite a few key scenes would have to be re-written completely but it could still cleanly fill the gap in between Super Metroid and Fusion.
Holy shit I can't believe that Other M is such an abortion that a canon rewrite would be needed to save the series. Fuck that game and fuck Sakamoto.
The Metroid manga handled Ridley-induced PTD far better. Novice Samus being throughly distressed by sociopathic space dragon who knows how to play her but at the end setting it on fire is MILES ahead of a Planet Burster babbling about a baby and being all in all what's wrong with sexism nowadays.
[QUOTE=Fangz;42336255]One is already in the [url=http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/20/retro-studios-high-on-list-of-candidates-to-develop-a-new-metroid-game-says-miyamoto/]planning stages[/url].[/QUOTE]
If it doesn't go to Retro I'll cry.
[QUOTE=Reds;42332866]Did I ever mention in this thread that Other M wrote itself out of canon? That and the fact that there's enough backlash that Nintendo will probably pretend it doesn't exist come the next game.
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The sad thing is is that I think it's apparent that Nintendo knows that Other M was poorly received, but they have no idea why it was poorly received. Virtually everything bad that has ever happened in the Metroid series was under Sakamoto's control, but the fact that he still has a job and is still in control of the Metroid series kind of proves it. I'm very worried about the future of Metroid.
Well, they know Prime was well-received and Other M not. They may ponder that Japanese masterrace is not so master. Specially with such screwed up ultrasexist worldview.
EDIT: No seriously, they pretty much imply that Japanese-developed products would be of better quality than those made overseas, or at least that's the vibre they give. Remember that the Japanese have a quite strong nationalism. As in trying to justify their part in WW2 rather than condemn and apologice for it.
And the ultrasexist worldview, I was refering to Sakamoto's, but, in any case, gender equality doesn't shine over there either.
[QUOTE=Eriorguez;42337138]Well, they know Prime was well-received and Other M not. They may ponder that Japanese masterrace is not so master. Specially with such screwed up ultrasexist worldview.
EDIT: No seriously, they pretty much imply that Japanese-developed products would be of better quality than those made overseas, or at least that's the vibre they give. Remember that the Japanese have a quite strong nationalism. As in trying to justify their part in WW2 rather than condemn and apologice for it.
And the ultrasexist worldview, I was refering to Sakamoto's, but, in any case, gender equality doesn't shine over there either.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you on this, I've always felt Other M was Sakamoto throwing a fit when he realized an American team made 3 REALLY good Metroid games, so Sakamoto wanted to make something to completely outshine them, but what we got instead was a bad fan fiction tier "story" and not only the worst Metroid game, one of the worst games Nintendo has ever made.
But don't you guys think we're getting sidetracked? This IS a smash bros thread after all
I kinda wonder how the customization thing will work out. Like, is it going to be how the stickers worked in SSE, where you can boost your stats and/or start off with items? Or, are they going to be purely cosmetic items with some sort of create-a-character kinda thing (like how Soul Caliber does it). I figure that it's probably going to be more of the cosmetic side, but what are your guys' thoughts?
A Vampire Savior-like pallete maker would be enough for me.
[QUOTE=Smas;42338272]I kinda wonder how the customization thing will work out. Like, is it going to be how the stickers worked in SSE, where you can boost your stats and/or start off with items? Or, are they going to be purely cosmetic items with some sort of create-a-character kinda thing (like how Soul Caliber does it). I figure that it's probably going to be more of the cosmetic side, but what are your guys' thoughts?[/QUOTE]
I hope it's more on the cosmetic side. Getting upgrades just for the Story Mode wasn't fun, for the most part they were useless. I mean really, who regularly spends time playing the SSE after they beat it? Nobody.
I'm trying to think of balanced [B]and[/B] fun ways to implement stickers other than SSE boosts and putting them on trophies...maybe putting them on your character (though I would never do that as I'd probably just look dumb)? Maybe stickers could influence item drops in item-enabled battles (so a Poppy Bros sticker might make Kirby items and bombs drop, things like that), or stickers might occasionally create game-specific stage hazards.
Maybe there could be a game type like Special Brawl where there would be the option to allow stage modifications and player benefits from players' stickers. I doubt most of these things would happen. However, I'm guessing stickers will be a part of the next game.
In terms of customization in general? I'm thinking a lot of new stuff with skins. More skins in general, and maybe unlockable skins (from completing some sort of achievement or finding it by drop).
Certain skins could affect your stats, while of course balancing them out. But, say if you were Wario, wearing the biker outfit instead of the traditional one may lower your speed and raise your attack damage. Trading skins may also be a thing.
I highly doubt they would put in the work to do this, but maybe skins would be a way to change to an alternate Final Smash. So, say instead of Olimar's "End of Day" Final Smash, wearing another skin would give him a "Pikmin Horde" Final Smash, calling over an army of Pikmin to pick up enemies and carry them to the KO zone (with the potential ability for players to break away, of course). And, I said this before, but maybe there could be new Pokemon that can be found very rarely by drop and used by the Pokemon Trainer.
What I care about most of all in terms of creative tools is a retained Stage Builder (which I'm nearly positive will be kept), but one that's more fleshed out. To be honest it felt a little half-assed to me (the amount of building materials at hand, the annoying interface, the size restriction, the building limit, etc.). I also hope there'll be more music available for custom stages.
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[QUOTE=Cheesedragon;42338725]A Vampire Savior-like pallete maker would be enough for me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, a palette maker would rule.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;42335070]Don't forget about the WONDERFUL final boss.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget to "Use your plasma beam!"
I think my favourite bad thing about Other M is the fact that they gave her high heels in her zero suit.
Despite the concept art where it originated from having a [B]HUGE[/B] warning about not giving Samus high heels EVER.
Or how mishappen Ridley was. Seriously, the fight was decently paced and brutal, but muscles and duckface that cannot be closed are telltale signs of a clubbing guido, not of a xenomorph-esque space pirate dragon.
As someone who's never played a Metroid game in their life, my biggest fear is that they use Ridley's Other M design if he's playable. Because I hate it
I don't understand why everyone wants a boss size dragon to be a playable character. Whats so wrong with keeping it a boss?
For one thing, lots of characters constantly change size, like Olimar (sized up greatly) and Bowser (wildly inconsistent, he's also a boss dragon but he's playable). His appearance in the Melee opening video made him only a bit larger than Samus. Finally he's probably the most reoccurring Metroid character besides Samus herself, so he'd be great for representing the franchise.
Most people don't care about bosses. Who honestly remembers Petey Pirahana, or Rayquaza or those original character SSE bosses? But characters, everyone cares about those.
[QUOTE=Zeos;42339430]I think my favourite bad thing about Other M is the fact that they gave her high heels in her zero suit.
Despite the concept art where it originated from having a [B]HUGE[/B] warning about not giving Samus high heels EVER.[/QUOTE]
For some reason, I think that design is going to end up sticking, especially since they are using it in SSB4.
[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42339750]Who honestly remembers Petey Pirahana.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me but he's one of the best Mario bosses ever, he's a badass
[QUOTE=Eriorguez;42337138]Well, they know Prime was well-received and Other M not. They may ponder that Japanese masterrace is not so master. Specially with such screwed up ultrasexist worldview.[/QUOTE]
I love how racist this post is whilst still trying to take the moral high-ground.
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