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[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44781504]transgenderism is too social commentary[/QUOTE] Nintendo seems to be open to it after the Tomadachi Life thing.

[QUOTE=TectoImprov;44782222]Nintendo seems to be open to it after the Tomadachi Life thing.[/QUOTE] I was just trying to be humourous.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44781504]transgenderism is too social commentary[/QUOTE] I know you were joking but do people still think that she was a guy in Japan? Entire thing was based off honorifics that doesn't translate to well and calling her a man in japan was mainly just to insult her, she was always a girl. Then again people seem desperate to insist Poison and Birdo are trans just because NoA trying to bamboozle censors at the time so v:v:v

[QUOTE=Sift;44783975]I know you were joking but do people still think that she was a guy in Japan? Entire thing was based off honorifics that doesn't translate to well and calling her a man in japan was mainly just to insult her, she was always a girl. Then again people seem desperate to insist Poison and Birdo are trans just because NoA trying to bamboozle censors at the time so v:v:v[/QUOTE] Vivian's description in the Japanese version's Partner Menu actually states that she is indeed a man. Her being a boy is canon IN JAPAN. Everywhere else, she's a dame.

[QUOTE=GastricTank;44784001]Vivian's description in the Japanese version's Partner Menu actually states that she is indeed a man. Her being a boy is canon IN JAPAN. Everywhere else, she's a dame.[/QUOTE] It's something that's supposed to be a joke as the journal is written by Mario and the Sirens call her a man all the time as a insult. She's a majotachi which refers to her as a female. It's one of those things that can be debated but in reality it's dudes taking a joke a little too far v:v:v Don't remember the exact scene but the whole thing starts like this; We are The three! SHADOW SISTERS Goombella then goes "woah shadow sisters?" only for Bedlam to go "I guess you're right vivian is a man hahahahaha!" as a insult- and when you get her a little later it just keeps it going.

[QUOTE=Sift;44783975]I know you were joking but do people still think that she was a guy in Japan? Entire thing was based off honorifics that doesn't translate to well and calling her a man in japan was mainly just to insult her, she was always a girl. Then again people seem desperate to insist Poison and Birdo are trans just because NoA trying to bamboozle censors at the time so v:v:v[/QUOTE] But Poison is legitimately transgendered last I heard.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44784276]But Poison is legitimately transgendered last I heard.[/QUOTE] Whole thing was in Japan she was a girl, at the time though in the states was horrible to show girls being beaten up etc so they said she's a Tranny to make it A-Okay. (this is not okay). This got shot down as well and she was just canned and two guys took her spot. Time progresses they dropped it and just said "yeah she's a girl always was" but it's become a meme from that era that she was once a guy. Same with Birdo who Nintendo at this point is adamant about saying "this is a girl" but nobody listens.

[QUOTE=Sift;44784509]Whole thing was in Japan she was a girl, at the time though in the states was horrible to show girls being beaten up etc so they said she's a Tranny to make it A-Okay. (this is not okay) Time progresses they dropped it and just said "yeah she's a girl always was" but it's become a meme from that era that she was once a guy. Same with Birdo who Nintendo at this point is adamant about saying "this is a girl" but nobody listens.[/QUOTE] Poison's original concept art states she's transgender. Plus the official word is that she's post-op in America, and pre-op in Japan.

[QUOTE=Sift;44784509]Whole thing was in Japan she was a girl, at the time though in the states was horrible to show girls being beaten up etc so they said she's a Tranny to make it A-Okay. (this is not okay) Time progresses they dropped it and just said "yeah she's a girl always was" but it's become a meme from that era that she was once a guy. Same with Birdo who Nintendo at this point is adamant about saying "this is a girl" but nobody listens.[/QUOTE] I heard they retconned her to have been transgendered rather than cisgendered...

(This is getting horribly off topic but) [quote] Originally conceived as a female thug in Final Fight and part of the game's antagonist group, Mad Gear, concerns during the game's development about reactions from North American audiences to fighting women, resulted in the character being re-imagined as a futanari. However, that was not considered satisfactory and both Poison and her palette swap Roxy were replaced by the male characters "Billy" and "Sid", and have been for every subsequent North American port of the title on Nintendo consoles and handhelds.[/quote] [quote]When Final Fight was ported to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, an American playtester working for Capcom reviewed the content during the localization process with one of the Japanese designers, and objected to the protagonist hitting females. While Akira Yasuda pointed out the characters were futanari, believing this to be an acceptable compromise, Poison and Roxy were replaced with regular male punks named "Billy" and "Sid" in the English localization despite his objections.[/quote] The whole thing was "We can't do this." "UH SHES A TRANSGENDER" "Seriously stop" "Fineee" Edit: Most stances on these these days seem to just be "you decide we aren't messing with it" but I just go with whatever it was originally slated to be. vvv Also I kind of am? Like really should stop this derail but they kept her as a girl pretty much everywhere and the whole trans thing was just a kneejerk reaction to it not being okay at the time and Capcom being afraid of being sued- and it was reverted in the future for the most part only getting the stock "you decide we aren't touching it" response.

You've not proved anything there really...

I think the lesson to be learned here is that they wanted to make them transgendered because hitting girls is bad.

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So what are the chances of Ness tomorrow?

[QUOTE=Fangz;44786082]So what are the chances of Ness tomorrow?[/QUOTE] Although I would mark out if Ness got announced, what makes you say that?

[QUOTE=ProffesorAssHat;44786093]Although I would mark out if Ness got announced, what makes you say that?[/QUOTE] Mother's day.

[QUOTE=GastricTank;44785904][img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/8c370c9a2175c6d43a1e4172b4c9c218/tumblr_n5fikiapPZ1tp7afwo1_1280.jpg[/img] [img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/1a3d31315b128a44ca6a26ed35dd0d36/tumblr_n5fikiapPZ1tp7afwo2_400.jpg[/img] god[/QUOTE] Speaking of Waluigi, Marioking uploaded this 2 days ago: [video=youtube;EkT3fZCuZ2I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkT3fZCuZ2I[/video] His Waluigi is really coming out good

[t]http://i.imgur.com/JbpPLpH.jpg[/t] [quote] Pic of the day. Here's wire frame Little Mac--re-envisioned from the original Punch-Out!! game. The man that actually drew the pixel art wire frame in the original was none other than Shigeru Miyamoto. He said he drew the pixels for the wire frame on graph paper. [/quote]

Yep, I remember reading about Miyamoto's work on the original. I think it may have been the Iwata Asks for Punch-Out!! Wii.

[QUOTE=weegeefan102;44787193]Speaking of Waluigi, Marioking uploaded this 2 days ago: [video=youtube;EkT3fZCuZ2I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkT3fZCuZ2I[/video] His Waluigi is really coming out good[/QUOTE] I have no clue about this so forgive me if I sound like a dumbass but: Is Waluigi going to be added to the official Project M roster eventually?

Nope, this is a separate mod. Is Waluigi compatible with PM, though? Like, did they give him a changed moveset for it? I know he has one for vanilla Brawl.

It looks like its made for PM, he wavedashes and moonwalks in the video Plus it says Project M on the thumbnail

[QUOTE=Kegan;44787321]I have no clue about this so forgive me if I sound like a dumbass but: Is Waluigi going to be added to the official Project M roster eventually?[/QUOTE] One of the creators of Project M on the Japan Time podcast has made it clear several times he hates Waluigi as a character and thinks anyone who wants him playable is a moron.

[QUOTE=Fangz;44790806]One of the creators of Project M on the Japan Time podcast has made it clear several times he hates Waluigi as a character and thinks anyone who wants him playable is a moron.[/QUOTE] Well that kind of remark sure isn't going to piss off a large portion of their fanbase.

To be fair he's right and [i]most[/i] of his following is from Brawl in the Family (which there's nothing wrong with, to be clear). I mean hell that waluigi mod/character seems to be based around the comic. Waluigi is dumb filler

[QUOTE=Sift;44791005]To be fair he's right and [i]most[/i] of his following is from Brawl in the Family (which there's nothing wrong with, to be clear). I mean hell that waluigi mod/character seems to be based around the comic. Waluigi is dumb filler[/QUOTE] Because Smash doesn't add characters you wouldn't ever think would be in a fighting game.

[QUOTE=Fangz;44790806]One of the creators of Project M on the Japan Time podcast has made it clear several times he hates Waluigi as a character and thinks anyone who wants him playable is a moron.[/QUOTE] Well that guy sounds like a grade-A douchebag.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;44791500]Because Smash doesn't add characters you wouldn't ever think would be in a fighting game.[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware I said any of that. I would compare him to princess Daisy but she's managed to be in more games and even a mainline game (kinda) so even she has more screentime on her.

waluigi isn't very interesting tbh is he even in anything besides mario party and golf games?

[QUOTE=Kentz;44792693]waluigi isn't very interesting tbh is he even in anything besides mario party and golf games?[/QUOTE] mario tennis