Half-Life 2: Enhancement Mod (V5) - Games

[B]What do you guys think of these new metal bullet decals?[/B] [t]http://i.imgur.com/CYEpq8F.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Fat-Corgi-Guy;42622507][B]What do you guys think of these new metal bullet decals?[/B] [t]http://i.imgur.com/CYEpq8F.png[/t][/QUOTE] Eh, theres no actual need for new metal bullet decals, the originals look fine. And not to be rude, but those bulletholes look very unnatural

[QUOTE=SirLemon;42622571]Eh, theres no actual need for new metal bullet decals, the originals look fine. And not to be rude, but those bulletholes look very unnatural[/QUOTE] The originals look like shit, dude. And that's what bullet holes in metal actually looks like, maybe I should go take another picture from a different spot...

[QUOTE=SirLemon;42622571]Eh, theres no actual need for new metal bullet decals, the originals look fine. And not to be rude, but those bulletholes look very unnatural[/QUOTE] I disagree with not making new bulletholes. But those do look pretty weird/unnatural.

[QUOTE=Fat-Corgi-Guy;42622628]The originals look like shit, dude. And that's what bullet holes in metal actually looks like, maybe I should go take another picture from a different spot...[/QUOTE] I know what bullet holes in metal look like, but the ones you're showing look flat, and unrealistic when they overlap. That's why I prefer the originals, cause when they overlap it looks natural. Also not all metals in-game have the same color, so it would only look more unnatural to see the same steel bullet hole in every single metal.

I remember MissingInfo/HL2 Beta used to have different metal decals for the bullet, it showed sort of a rippling deformation around the hole without having that weird outer part. I can't find it for the life of me, though.

[QUOTE=itak365;42623088]I remember MissingInfo/HL2 Beta used to have different metal decals for the bullet, it showed sort of a rippling deformation around the hole without having that weird outer part. I can't find it for the life of me, though.[/QUOTE] They still have that mod on [URL="http://www.moddb.com/mods/missing-information/downloads/missing-information-16-full"]moddb[/URL]

For the bullet holes, make them have a fadey/chipped paint type deal near the edges so it doesn't look so rough. Then people might be okay with them.

[QUOTE=SirLemon;42623315]They still have that mod on [URL="http://www.moddb.com/mods/missing-information/downloads/missing-information-16-full"]moddb[/URL][/QUOTE] I think he was meaning a image of the texture.

Ah FacePunch, you are a wondrous place, with people who overflow, like fountains, with constructive criticism...not. Please, [I]constructive criticisms[/I] are what help, just saying "this sucks" "this looked better." does nothing to help make it better, actually post how you think it'd look better, only a good 1% of people on this thread seem to know how to do that...I would just ask that more people please do this. Sorry to be rude, but this just frustrates me beyond everything ever. [t]http://i.imgur.com/wLKEapY.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/dxmQmxq.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Fat-Corgi-Guy;42623618]Ah FacePunch, you are a wondrous place, with people who overflow, like fountains, with constructive criticism...not. Please, [I]constructive criticisms[/I] are what help, just saying "this sucks" "this looked better." does nothing to help make it better, actually post how you think it'd look better, only a good 1% of people on this thread seem to know how to do that...I would just ask that more people please do this. Sorry to be rude, but this just frustrates me beyond everything ever. [t]http://i.imgur.com/wLKEapY.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/dxmQmxq.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] There's no way to make it look like a bullet hole without color is there? Because I think that's the main issue if any. Looks great on the tan metal, and not so great on the red.

[QUOTE=Fat-Corgi-Guy;42623618]Please, [I]constructive criticisms[/I] are what help, just saying "this sucks" "this looked better." [t]http://i.imgur.com/wLKEapY.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/dxmQmxq.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] To be fair I told you exactly what I thought was wrong [QUOTE=Sally;42623557]I think he was meaning a image of the texture.[/QUOTE] Oh, well I got the mod installed, here you go [IMG]http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b640/vincent_mitchell1/Decals_Mod2x_zpsd7fde09e.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Fat-Corgi-Guy;42623618]Ah FacePunch, you are a wondrous place, with people who overflow, like fountains, with constructive criticism...not. Please, [I]constructive criticisms[/I] are what help, just saying "this sucks" "this looked better." does nothing to help make it better, actually post how you think it'd look better, only a good 1% of people on this thread seem to know how to do that...I would just ask that more people please do this. Sorry to be rude, but this just frustrates me beyond everything ever.[/QUOTE] that actually looks better than before, but im assuming its the same decal? I think the problem is that HL2's blended in easily, it gave the illusion of actual denting and as you continued to hit in the same spot it just got more emphasized (just because they piled ontop of eachother). If you could somehow mimic that effect but keeping the worn paint on the edge of impact it would be better. And it got me thinking, metal isn't the asme color everywhere so if you were to keep the chipped paint on the edge of impact and you shot a rusted metal it would look extremely unnatural, you would probably end up having to make seperate decals and materials for each different color of metal. I think your best option is to either straight up remake the original decals (because it easily blended into any type of metal and looked "realistic enough" other than being low texture resolution) with higher quality textures, or change your decal to make it blend in better, OR remake your decal for every type of metal colour there is. [editline]sd[/editline] if there was any way to make decals 3D like GTA IV/GTA V it would also make it much better. having each decal refract from lighting and give the illusion of actually being indented and not a picture would make it so much better. I would advise looking into how GTA 4 did their decal system because it gives a great illusion of bullet holes.

[QUOTE=gk99;42623737]There's no way to make it look like a bullet hole without color is there? Because I think that's the main issue if any. Looks great on the tan metal, and not so great on the red.[/QUOTE] That metal is white, not tan, it's just the lighting.

[QUOTE=gk99;42623737]There's no way to make it look like a bullet hole without color is there? Because I think that's the main issue if any. Looks great on the tan metal, and not so great on the red.[/QUOTE] Well the thing is, usually when metal's been shot it gets heated up a lot, and that melts the metal and paint, or the paint just gets chipped off exposing the metal beneath. Or that's what I understand from what I've seen whenever I shoot cans and metal targets. [editline]23rd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=endorphinsam;42623788]I think your best option is to either straight up remake the original decals (because it easily blended into any type of metal and looked "realistic enough" other than being low texture resolution) with higher quality textures, or change your decal to make it blend in better, OR remake your decal for every type of metal colour there is. if there was any way to make decals 3D like GTA IV/GTA V it would also make it much better. having each decal refract from lighting and give the illusion of actually being indented and not a picture would make it so much better. I would advise looking into how GTA 4 did their decal system because it gives a great illusion of bullet holes.[/QUOTE] Well the original HL2 ones gave the impression the metal was dented inwards, but not all metal dents like that, and some don't really dent beyond the point the bullet's impacted. As for GTA 4-5, I've never played it, but judging by pictures I'm assuming it's a small 3D mesh applied over the object that's been hit similar to Mirror's Edge. I'm not sure if that's what those GTA games actually do, it's just what it looks like to me. I'm not sure if it's possible to do that with Source or not though.

[QUOTE=Fat-Corgi-Guy;42623803]Well the thing is, usually when metal's been shot it gets heated up a lot, and that melts the metal and paint, or the paint just gets chipped off exposing the metal beneath. Or that's what I understand from what I've seen whenever I shoot cans and metal targets. [editline]23rd October 2013[/editline] Well the original HL2 ones gave the impression the metal was dented inwards, but not all metal dents like that, and some don't really dent beyond the point the bullet's impacted. As for GTA 4-5, I've never played it, but judging by pictures I'm assuming it's a small 3D mesh applied over the object that's been hit similar to Mirror's Edge. I'm not sure if that's what those GTA games actually do, it's just what it looks like to me. I'm not sure if it's possible to do that with Source or not though.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it's a poor man's parallax occlusion for consoles since (iirc) parallax doesnt work on dx9 so they made their own shader, that isn't as precise but still looks exceptional. they aren't actual 3D meshes, though. I know that for sure.

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;42624167]I'm pretty sure it's a poor man's parallax occlusion for consoles since (iirc) parallax doesnt work on dx9 so they made their own shader, that isn't as precise but still looks exceptional. they aren't actual 3D meshes, though. I know that for sure.[/QUOTE] of course parallax shaders work on dx9, why wouldn't it? [img]http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2006/01/13/new_3d_graphics_card_features_in_2006/fear_parallax_mapping.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Juniez;42624322]of course parallax shaders work on dx9, why wouldn't it? [img]http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2006/01/13/new_3d_graphics_card_features_in_2006/fear_parallax_mapping.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] oh, i forgot. thought it was dx10+ [editline]sd[/editline] [QUOTE=Simspelaaja;42624655]Tesselation is DX10+.[/QUOTE] that's what I was thinking of. silly me

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;42624622]oh, i forgot. thought it was dx10+[/QUOTE] Tesselation is DX10+.

[QUOTE=Simspelaaja;42624655]Tesselation is DX10+.[/QUOTE] I thought Tesselation was DX11? as far as I know DX10 doesn't support tes.

native support for tesselation in directX was introduced with DX11

We couldn't use parallax for our bullet holes due to the way source works, could we?

[QUOTE=gk99;42625168]We couldn't use parallax for our bullet holes due to the way source works, could we?[/QUOTE] No, can't use bump maps either, since it requires tweaking the way decals work with uvs and world surfaces and stuff.

Are decals be put on facing the same way each time, or could they be rotated randomly? And just for my own curiosity, could decals be stretched & skewed?

On the subject, is there any way to make more possible bullethole decals? It breaks immersion when you see 3 or 4 completely identical bullet holes in a cluster, and a bit more variety to this would make it much better

[QUOTE=SirLemon;42626910]On the subject, is there any way to make more possible bullethole decals? It breaks immersion when you see 3 or 4 completely identical bullet holes in a cluster, and a bit more variety to this would make it much better[/QUOTE] It would also make sense to make specific impact decals for the crowbar. I'm pretty sure crowbars don't make bullet holes.

[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42626969]It would also make sense to make specific impact decals for the crowbar. I'm pretty sure crowbars don't make bullet holes.[/QUOTE] I disagree [IMG]http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4710691241135049&w=234&h=183&c=7&rs=1&pid=1.7[/IMG]

[QUOTE=SirLemon;42627129]I disagree [IMG]http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4710691241135049&w=234&h=183&c=7&rs=1&pid=1.7[/IMG][/QUOTE] "Can you snipe this metrocop for me?" "Sure, I'll snipe him with my crowbar."

Did anyone see Abraham Lincoln: Vampire slayer? If so do you remember the scene where the guy has a gun built into his cane? Cause I'd love to see something similar with the crowbar

[QUOTE=Amish Steak;42626969]It would also make sense to make specific impact decals for the crowbar. I'm pretty sure crowbars don't make bullet holes.[/QUOTE] Ken (our coder) told me it isn't possible to make the bullet decals for the crowbar different from the guns. [t]http://i1.minus.com/jQgRRFu4TjIRY.png[/t]