Metal Gear Solid - A Hideo Kojima Thread - Flimsy Huey and the Phooey Fallacy - Games

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48874189][url=http://cs5.pikabu.ru/post_img/2015/10/10/9/1444489881_1022982901.mp4]Metal Gear Solid 5 Gameplay has been shown on TV[/url][/QUOTE] Seems like Kojima hasn't got a new job yet :(

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48874191]MGS4 was a finished game though and didn't need a couple more years or many millions on top of that. Between cut content, a ridiculous amount of scrapped Muranaka songs etc who knows what else Kojima wasted resources on?[/QUOTE] MGS4 was also reusing the same engine that the previous 3 games had been using since 1998 whereas MGSV created a whole new one. Also Keep in mind MGS4's notorious lack of gameplay. Most of the game was comprised of cutscenes.

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[QUOTE=Dr.C;48874158]CDPR made TW3 on $81million and they had a complete game out. Although it's really unfair to compare them since eastern european devs can make games out of nothing[/QUOTE] look you could take a potato farmer from any eastern european country, give him two calculators and an emergency flare and the next time you checked up on him a new stalker game would be in his hands they're like mythical offerings like sometimes eastern european people just disappear and return with games i think it's a cult or some shit

[QUOTE=bastian-07;48874261]look you could take a potato farmer from any eastern european country, give him two calculators and an emergency flare and the next time you checked up on him a new stalker game would be in his hands they're like mythical offerings like sometimes eastern european people just disappear and return with games i think it's a cult or some shit[/QUOTE] There might be some bloody sacrifice involved here or there when it comes to finances. Also, Poles are central/eastern european

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48874120]I doubt there actually were 5 chapters but I don't blame Konami for pulling the plug either way. Kojima had $80 million and several years to make this but in the end we have a bare bones story for Chapter 1, an unfinished Chapter 2 that's mainly repeat missions and at [I]least[/I] Chapter 3 was cut. That's Tim Schafer level budgeting.[/QUOTE] does that budget include developing the fox engine?

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;48873591][t]http://i.imgur.com/WiHppkm.jpg[/t] [/QUOTE] replace paz with the budget and konami with kojima and you've pretty much got it right

[QUOTE=Terin7;48874140]Playing those missions respawned the blueprint even though I already picked it up. Have you actually tried it out and seen that it's not there?[/QUOTE] Yeah, on mission 21 I can't seem to [sp]get the gunship to drop[/sp] that blueprint; I've retried it a few times.

I have no idea what to do with my life now that metal gear solid is over and that statement really isn't a joke day in day out for the last 3 years I've just wanted MGSV this phantom pain can never go away fallout 4 won't be enough

Is there an easier way to get rid of tanks aside from fultoning them? 10k GMP is too pricy since I'm really poor

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;48873591][t]http://i.imgur.com/WiHppkm.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/JzkByvq.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/xjEq20x.jpg[/t] It's a damn shame what's happened to this game[/QUOTE] is that list of chapters actually legit?

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4a2C1nZ.png[/IMG] hey, i'm getting pretty fucking close, just a 3 tasks left to compl- [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/2HkWHGE.png[/IMG] noNONONONO

[QUOTE=Dr.C;48874343]Is there an easier way to get rid of tanks aside from fultoning them? 10k GMP is too pricy since I'm really poor[/QUOTE] Can't you sell them for profit? Also you get like mystery soldiers from inside the tank.

the whole chapter 3 peace thing is getting blown out of proportion when it is most likely what appears before/after the [sp]nuclear disarmament cutscene[/sp]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Chapter 3 was just supposed to be [sp]the Paz side story, but then the development team just decided to incorporate it into the main game.[/sp]

But the chapter peace never came.

But who was cassette tapes?

The only thing that bothers me about the cassettes in TPP is that with one or two exceptions they're all totally boring compared to any random tape in PW. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3B4hA7WXfQ[/media]

That's a major fault of the game. The worst example is Ocelot, who is ludicrously flamboyant in every other appearance, is for all intensive purposes, is roleplaying as the entire cast of a MGS game, delivering intel on birds, soviet history, afghanistan, and not ever being fun the game had a decent amount of humor but it definitely doesn't have the feel of any of the other games where there was wacky interaction between Snake and the codec crew. Definitely also hurts that a majority of the casette tapes are just brutal exposition dumps with one character talking slowly for 10 minutes. Very few of them are engaging.

I would like to know why Ocelot is so dull in this game compared to his other appearances in the series. Is it part of [sp]the hypnosis he went under to have him act as though Venom is the real Big Boss?[/sp] At least, I think that's the easiest/most cop out answer. It's probably more because Kojima decided on a darker overall tone for the game, and thus Ocelot's shenanigans and behavior would be really unfitting. That, or he just became more serious around the middle of his life, and then relapsed to his ridiculousness when he got older.

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;48874466]That's a major fault of the game. The worst example is Ocelot, who is ludicrously flamboyant in every other appearance, is for all intensive purposes, is roleplaying as the entire cast of a MGS game, delivering intel on birds, soviet history, afghanistan, and not ever being fun the game had a decent amount of humor but it definitely doesn't have the feel of any of the other games where there was wacky interaction between Snake and the codec crew. Definitely also hurts that a majority of the casette tapes are just brutal exposition dumps with one character talking slowly for 10 minutes. Very few of them are engaging.[/QUOTE] To be fair, it at least makes sense here; there's barely anyone but Miller, Ocelot, [sp]Huey and Code Talker,[/sp] and everyone's so srsbusiness about the entire revenge plot line that it serves to show why they'd focus on exposition and explanation more than anything else. But I feel the entire game loses its sense of self as a Metal Gear title when most of the humor is shoved off to the side and isolated.

[QUOTE=n0cturni;48874076]Just realized it's impossible for me to 100% my 200 hour save because I can't complete a mission task due to the disappearing blueprint glitch. The phantom pain is real[/QUOTE] Worry not! [url]http://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidvtpp/mods/45/?[/url] This mod has other features, but it also makes blueprints reappear

the conspiracy MGS subreddit is really cool, this theory I found regarding Ocelot makes a ton of sense [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/NeverBeGameOver/comments/3nhew1/ocelots_invisible_hand/[/url] Spoilers and such

I think my biggest problem with the plot of MGSV overall is a pretty simple issue: [sp]the game never technically ends. We kill Skull Face, we find out the Truth, and then.. Now what? The Diamond Dogs still exist with no known conclusion, and although the Outer Heaven Incident will happen in ten years, we still don't know how Miller ends up as a drill sergeant again or in Alaska in time for Shadow Moses, or where the fuck Code Talker runs off to, or what happens to Diamond Dogs. The game just leaves you hanging in a free play with no actual resolution for its continued story with the promise of more that never comes. And even if Episode 51 were a thing, the game would do the exact same thing there too.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RikohZX;48874586]I think my biggest problem with the plot of MGSV overall is a pretty simple issue: [sp]the game never technically ends. We kill Skull Face, we find out the Truth, and then.. Now what? The Diamond Dogs still exist with no known conclusion, and although the Outer Heaven Incident will happen in ten years, we still don't know how Miller ends up as a drill sergeant again or in Alaska in time for Shadow Moses, or where the fuck Code Talker runs off to, or what happens to Diamond Dogs. The game just leaves you hanging in a free play with no actual resolution for its continued story with the promise of more that never comes. And even if Episode 51 were a thing, the game would do the exact same thing there too.[/sp][/QUOTE] It's heavily implied [sp]DD slowly turns into Outer Heaven overtime, and can be surmised from that the Diamond Dogs would all have been killed off by either Snake or Outer Heaven destroying. [/sp] [editline]10th October 2015[/editline] It's the same thing as Peace Walker. PW never ended, but it was implied that MSF would eventually format itself into Mother Base. Which it never did. Amusingly, Peace Walker is also a candidate for Big Boss turning into his villain self, as in Peace Walker he was hunky dory with developing nukes and using child soldiers.

i need to stop playing MGO its just annoying me and making me hate MGSV, loved the single player so much but in comparison the multiplayer is just a piss poor representation of it in terms of shitty design, broken, buggy and laggy.

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;48874652]It's heavily implied [sp]DD slowly turns into Outer Heaven overtime, and can be surmised from that the Diamond Dogs would all have been killed off by either Snake or Outer Heaven destroying. [/sp] [editline]10th October 2015[/editline] It's the same thing as Peace Walker. PW never ended, but it was implied that MSF would eventually format itself into Mother Base. Which it never did. Amusingly, Peace Walker is also a candidate for Big Boss turning into his villain self, as in Peace Walker he was hunky dory with developing nukes and using child soldiers.[/QUOTE] Except [sp]Big Boss created Outer Heaven separately and in the background while Venom Snake maintains Diamond Dogs on the surface. Infact Venom states early on 'heaven's not my kind of place anyway.' While we're technically no different between the two, they're clearly separated.[/sp]

[sp]Diamond Dogs can be presumed to have become the military force that you encounter in Outer Heaven in MG1. When it came time for Venom to move over to Outer Heaven, he brought the Diamond Dogs. The old base probably still exists, its just abandoned. Miller is a little confusing but it was probably to fuck up Big Boss or something.[/sp]

when do you get fulton slam or whatever in mgo

If anything personally I think [sp]Big Boss has his own military force established at Outer Heaven that Venom fights and dies with, and then Big Boss comes to the Diamond Dogs and brings them to Zanzibar Land to more quickly build an established fortress nation rather than have a convenient backup plan. It'd make more sense with Big Boss' philosophy fitting in directly with what was being practiced at MSF and DD, the child soldiers, and so forth. Pretend that Diamond Dogs dissolved once and for all as a Private Military Force, and throw off suspicion.[/sp]