Metal Gear Solid - A Hideo Kojima Thread - Flimsy Huey and the Phooey Fallacy - Games

[QUOTE=Mbbird;48755406]also the helicopter animations it's weird japanese fan-service. cool character, but goddamn. ever since i unlocked [sp] the XOF uniform, everything feels so much more right. I no longer feel the need to not wear a shirt.[/sp][/QUOTE] You mean to say you felt guilty being more properly clothed than Quiet?

blackhawks are cool but i want a hind for a helicopter :c

[QUOTE=Bokito;48755372]Is there any tutorials or anything regarding swapping models?[/QUOTE] Also replaying cutscenes that aren't part of missions? I thought it was possible to make certain cutscenes trigger without the requirements being met (as demonstrated by the Nuke Disarming video)?

[QUOTE=archangel125;48755427]You mean to say you felt guilty being more properly clothed than Quiet?[/QUOTE] yep if your partner is going to be a girl that wears a bikini while plinking in warzones, you have to go all the way and become topless stealth rambo to complete the pair.

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48755352]I don't get why so many people are outraged over Quiet's outfit. I mean its pretty obvious to understand why she dresses like that (and I'm not talking about the biological reasons). Were they too furious over it to pay attention to cut scenes with her in it?[/QUOTE] I wish Kojima had just come out and said "yeah I wanted a character wearing not much" instead of trying to come up with some reason why she's like that

[QUOTE=JesterUK;48755501]I wish Kojima had just come out and said "yeah I wanted a character wearing not much" instead of trying to come up with some reason why she's like that[/QUOTE] For lore continuity, [sp]The End should have been naked[/sp]

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48755418]I see people calling Kojima childish and other insulting names though. [sp]Also it isn't fanservice without a reason. I think its quite easy to infer that she's trying to seduce Snake (who you usually play as) without having to speak. Maybe it could be done better, but saying its for 15 year olds to jerk off is pretty stupid.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]She almost literally queefs over you in the chopper and makes an elaborate display of her rounded parts for you though. It's the same with her cell, you're free to watch her lounge around and play in the water like it's a free peep show.[/sp] Kojima said people would be ashamed of their words and deeds over the reason for her exposure, but [sp]big wow she breathes through her skin I'm so ashamed.[/sp] It's a thinly-veiled attempt to justify the sex appeal as something more sophisticated when it isn't really.

The [sp]skulls[/sp] boss fight is literally one of the most boring and finicky MGS boss fights I've had to do. Christ half the time the CQC prompt to counter the attacks never show up.

[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;48755516]The [sp]skulls[/sp] boss fight is literally one of the most boring and finicky MGS boss fights I've had to do. Christ half the time the CQC prompt to counter the attacks never show up.[/QUOTE] The prompts will always show up, but only if you're facing them. If they attack from behind or your side then you don't get a prompt, which is pretty shitty anyway.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;48755508]For lore continuity, [sp]The End should have been naked[/sp][/QUOTE] The End [sp]had lungs[/sp].

Honestly, I know this is an arsey thing to say but I was really bothered by how triggered everyone was by Quiet but now I just don't give a shit, I'm arguing for arguments sake, simply because I'm bored here. I love her, I think she's an amazing character, I also don't mind her visuals and the context for them especially since they all inform the story. [sp]Think of the Soviet prison Quiet scene[/sp]. I know a lot of people disagree, I personally think it's a bit disingenuous to disagree with me on all levels. But then people are entitled to their opinions, arguing against the guys that dislike Quiet is pointless. Also, the people refusing to see an amazing character because boobs are sexist plain and simple in my books. Ironic since most of them are self identified feminists.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48755512][sp]She almost literally queefs over you in the chopper and makes an elaborate display of her rounded parts for you though. It's the same with her cell, you're free to watch her lounge around and play in the water like it's a free peep show.[/sp] Kojima said people would be ashamed of their words and deeds over the reason for her exposure, but [sp]big wow she breathes through her skin I'm so ashamed.[/sp] It's a thinly-veiled attempt to justify the sex appeal as something more sophisticated when it isn't really.[/QUOTE] Yea I was never "ashamed of my words and deeds" but I feel like you can dislike a character design without going "Kojima's a fucking childish perv who just wants people to jerk off".

The [sp]rock skulls[/sp] fight really borders the fine line between cool and frustrating. [sp]It feels good shooting super soldiers and countering their machetes to impale them but my god are their attacks annoying, there's no solid strategy to the fight. There's four of them in an open area, they can teleport and they have multiple ranged attacks. Unless you see them all at once there's a chance they'll teleport behind the camera or throw those huge fucking rocks with hitboxes surprisingly wider than meets the eye. They can even attack you when you're countering a machete. Unless I'm missing something it's best to keep your distance and hope for the best.[/sp]

[B]metal[/B] gear [IMG]http://puu.sh/kms4B/1f0f905a06.jpg[/IMG] why did i do this

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48755605]Yea I was never "ashamed of my words and deeds" but I feel like you can dislike a character design without going "Kojima's a fucking childish perv who just wants people to jerk off".[/QUOTE] For other people, definitely yeah, but to me it feels like a flimsy excuse to have an "erotic" character. Her design doesn't really bother me as much as the reasoning. With that said I actually like Quiet, bar the [sp]dumb excuse for her not using Code Talker or even writing to communicate.[/sp]

Fucking hell, go to try and get some nukes of people and all of a sudden I disconnected, making me lose HP AND letting them invade me, thanks a fucking lot Konami.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48755670]For other people, definitely yeah, but to me it feels like a flimsy excuse to have an "erotic" character. Her design doesn't really bother me as much as the reasoning. With that said I actually like Quiet, bar the [sp]dumb excuse for her not using Code Talker or even writing to communicate.[/sp][/QUOTE] I mean Kojima has been doing pointlessly erotic costumes ever since MGS1, it's only now that anyone has given a shit. I do wonder if the [sp]lung burning[/sp] was planned before or after her costume, though. Regardless, it doesn't matter. That crowd will always find something to be offended about. [T]http://40.media.tumblr.com/088c3c6d27092612f9031fb422de05f6/tumblr_ntntx6YPEz1sh7jydo1_1280.jpg[/t]

I stopped caring about Quiet's appearance since Meryl's ass and breasts in MGS1 so basically all Solid games.

[QUOTE=Sweater;48755747]I stopped caring about Quiet's appearance since Meryl's ass and breasts in MGS1 so basically all Solid games.[/QUOTE] I never gave a fuck because it always goes both ways, "Snake's ass has to be better than Raiden's" anyone?

They should just add an SJW mode for those people who are bothered by tits and ass.

[sp]beat the game recently and honestly I wish mission 46 was just a cutscene (or maybe let me play as Ishmael), I really didn't like playing the first mission over again. And why were the tutorials still there, that was just silly.[/sp]

As clever as it is, I REALLY HATE that [sp]you lose Quiet permanently[/sp] If there's one thing I hate in games, no matter the story reason, it's losing major things permanently. It's why when I played Fable 3 and I chose the good route, I was pissed that [sp]a huge portion of villagers and quests and things were gone, with no way to get them back[/sp] [sp]Losing Quiet[/sp] makes missions INFINITELY harder, and all the money and cool things and outfits I put into it are gone.

Honestly, thinking about it (ending spoilers) [sp]Quiet's departure is probably what should be considered the true ending of the game, even if it's technically optional in a sense. No allowance to leave outside of aborting the mission through a container fulton, an increasingly-difficult battle that basically pulls out all the stops to fuck you over, and a cinematic finish with tidbits of gameplay interaction that's like nothing else in the game since the prologue. Plus a full and unique credits, as if 43 is the loss of your various loyal troops and 45 is the loss of your potentially greatest buddy to close that miniature arc along with Huey's betrayal and departure. Mission 46 on the other hand could be considered a bonus/secret ending rather than THE ending to strive for, seeing as it doesn't actually answer or resolve anything in the plot directly, just drop the bombshell on who you really are and then give context for why Zero becomes a vegetable and what Ocelot and Big Boss were really doing. Not to mention it basically appears with no context, fanfare or even a warning like Quiet's side-op did, and doesn't fit anywhere within the direct timeframe of the main plot.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;48755797]As clever as it is, I REALLY HATE that [sp]you lose Quiet permanently[/sp] If there's one thing I hate in games, no matter the story reason, it's losing major things permanently. It's why when I played Fable 3 and I chose the good route, I was pissed that [sp]a huge portion of villagers and quests and things were gone, with no way to get them back[/sp] [sp]Losing Quiet[/sp] makes missions INFINITELY harder, and all the money and cool things and outfits I put into it are gone.[/QUOTE] [sp]Just mod her back in if you're on PC, it's what I ended up doing. Gameplay always comes before story, especially a story where Kojima dropped the ball anyway. [/sp]

[QUOTE=orgornot;48755782]They should just add an SJW mode for those people who are bothered by tits and ass.[/QUOTE] Right, in which Big Boss is a strong and independent Snakekin who fights for Militaires Sans Patriarchy.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48755711]I mean Kojima has been doing pointlessly erotic costumes ever since MGS1, it's only now that anyone has given a shit. I do wonder if the [sp]lung burning[/sp] was planned before or after her costume, though. Regardless, it doesn't matter. That crowd will always find something to be offended about.[/QUOTE] Yeah even MGS1 gave you a low-poly peep show in the vent if you were really determined/desperate, but I think it's because Quiet is totally OTT sex appeal even when compared to other sexualised designs in the series. Most of her presence in the game revolves around silently admiring the player with her "please notice my body senpai" attitude. I can't help but think the real reason she doesn't speak is because she's there to be looked at too.

Thanks for reminding me, Rikoh. [sp]43 can fuck off. Losing so many A++ ranks fucking destroyed my platform levels. I know it's fine since you get a few S++ ranks near the end, but being forced to lose a bunch of heroism and thin out your ranks is just "Grinding 101".[/sp]

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48755711]I mean Kojima has been doing pointlessly erotic costumes ever since MGS1, it's only now that anyone has given a shit. I do wonder if the [sp]lung burning[/sp] was planned before or after her costume, though. Regardless, it doesn't matter. That crowd will always find something to be offended about. [T]http://40.media.tumblr.com/088c3c6d27092612f9031fb422de05f6/tumblr_ntntx6YPEz1sh7jydo1_1280.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] anthony burch should've written mgs5

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48755826]anthony burch should've written mgs5[/QUOTE] We've already had a game about memes though.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48755826]anthony burch should've written mgs5[/QUOTE] Ashly Burch voices Quiet, who is equipped with 4 customizable hijabs. Snake loses Standard and Scarf, and retains Naked outfits.