Metal Gear Solid - A Hideo Kojima Thread - Flimsy Huey and the Phooey Fallacy - Games

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;48784696][sp]solid > liquid > Solidus > venom > naked Naked Snake was a coward who sold out his friends and was willing to commit the same crimes he seceded from the US for He also got killed by a lighter and the genetically inferior of his sons [/sp][/QUOTE] I dunno man. [sp]Venom should be higher either in front of liquid or behind.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48784702]i wish kojima could somehow write out liquids death so he could be the antagonist going against snake/raiden the whole time[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, it's way too late for that. Maybe in an alternate timeline, as Jamais Vu confirmed.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48784691]solidus is better he fights for your freedom and hes the god dang president of the USA[/QUOTE] Every time I remember MGS2 it's just so ridiculous to imagine a fucking [sp]samurai h-blade sword battle ontop of Federal Hall between an androgynous pretty boy child soldier and a genetic super soldier clone former President of the United States duke nukem in an exoskeleton[/sp] as the final boss fight Stuff like that and the ridiculous shit in Peace Walker, the Cobras of MGS3 and so forth were sorely missing from MGSV

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48784702]i wish kojima could somehow write out liquids death so he could be the antagonist going against snake/raiden the whole time[/QUOTE] MGS2 "i got it! i found a way to bring liquid back! we'll put his arm on ocelot and liquid will possess him! it's perfect" MGS4 "nevermind"

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48784702]i wish kojima could somehow write out liquids death so he could be the antagonist going against snake/raiden the whole time[/QUOTE] That feels like what he was trying to do in MGS2 with the whole arm possession subplot but then MGS4 came along and retconned things.

[QUOTE=FiveEyes;48784706]I dunno man. [sp]Venom should be higher either in front of liquid or behind.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] venom is then only one of the bunch who had no vision or will of his own. He was a slave to what another man wanted. He just stood and accepted that too, instead of lashing out or ever revealing the truth to the world Some call it loyalty, I call it deapseated brainwashing Liquid on the other hand was willing to throw the world into etrnal chaos because of a temper tantrum and that's pretty great [/sp]

It's funny to think that Eli looks like such an incredible shit given his genetic structure I always thought even as a child the snakes had cool beards Maybe liquids anger came from the fact that his inferior genes prevented him from growing a manly Aryan beard

spoilers that didn't quite make it, but I read that [sp]Liquid was gonna survive shadow moses, and sink an aircraft carrier which eventually was the tanker in MGS2. but the thing with Liquid and the carrier didn't make it because of 911[/sp] not sure if it was legit or no.

Sooo, I just did an FoB invasion where there were literally no guards on the first three platforms, and nothing but 8 E ranks on the last one. I didn't know you could set your preparedness that low...

[QUOTE=Hunter-Spy;48784741]spoilers that didn't quite make it, but I read that [sp]Liquid was gonna survive shadow moses, and sink an aircraft carrier which eventually was the tanker in MGS2. but the thing with Liquid and the carrier didn't make it because of 911[/sp] not sure if it was legit or no.[/QUOTE] [sp]Actually the Arsenal Gear would've (and does) slam into the New York coast and tear it a new one, which is why Raiden and Solidus suddenly fall out of the air onto Federal Hall when Arsenal was speeding for New York previously. However, the entire cutscene depicting this was removed from the game due to 9/11.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48784723]the problem is all the lines came out of a crusty old russian cowboy's mouth instead of a silly aryan bong mouth[/QUOTE] Well, not in MGS2. In MGS2 the voice actors switched off with the personalities

[QUOTE=BOXHOUND;48784748]Sooo, I just did an FoB invasion where there were literally no guards on the first three platforms, and nothing but 8 E ranks on the last one. I didn't know you could set your preparedness that low...[/QUOTE] you can remove every man and every security device from your entire base if you really want

Bought Metal Gear Rising on a whim. Pretty fun so far. Controls and mechanics are taking some getting used to but I'm having a blast with this game

[QUOTE=Fenriswolf;48784787]Bought Metal Gear Rising on a whim. Pretty fun so far. Controls and mechanics are taking some getting used to but I'm having a blast with this game[/QUOTE] Get the defensive offensive skill asap.

[QUOTE=Hunter-Spy;48784741]spoilers that didn't quite make it, but I read that [sp]Liquid was gonna survive shadow moses, and sink an aircraft carrier which eventually was the tanker in MGS2. but the thing with Liquid and the carrier didn't make it because of 911[/sp] not sure if it was legit or no.[/QUOTE] I don't see why Liquid couldn't come back considering you kill him multiple times in MGS1 and he keeps coming back like how Volgin gets his shit wrecked over and over. They could have brought him back as a cyborg or something.

[QUOTE=PotatoArmada;48784805]Get the defensive offensive skill asap.[/QUOTE] Done

[QUOTE=pointyface;48784807]I don't see why Liquid couldn't come back considering you kill him multiple times in MGS1 and he keeps coming back like how Volgin gets his shit wrecked over and over. They could have brought him back as a cyborg or something.[/QUOTE] FoxDie is like the only thing in Metal Gear that reliably killed people for good.

[QUOTE=PotatoArmada;48784805]Get the defensive offensive skill asap.[/QUOTE] and learn how to parry. You can get through normal without it but if you plan to play past hard mode, you're going to fucking need it

[QUOTE=pointyface;48784807]I don't see why Liquid couldn't come back considering you kill him multiple times in MGS1 and he keeps coming back like how Volgin gets his shit wrecked over and over. They could have brought him back as a cyborg or something.[/QUOTE] [sp]Foxdie super killed him.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Hunter-Spy;48784741]spoilers that didn't quite make it, but I read that [sp]Liquid was gonna survive shadow moses, and sink an aircraft carrier which eventually was the tanker in MGS2. but the thing with Liquid and the carrier didn't make it because of 911[/sp] not sure if it was legit or no.[/QUOTE] I think you're getting two things mixed up. They did cut a scene from MGS2 because of 9/11 and, unrelated, Kojima has said he regrets killing of Liquid so early.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48784810]FoxDie is like the only thing in Metal Gear that reliably killed people for good.[/QUOTE] Assuming Liquid did come back, I don't think he'd work with Ocelot again. Actually, what did happen between those two in MGS1? It's been some time since I've played it but I remember that FOXDIE [sp]was supposed to kill Liquid and Solid, but I don't remember if it was supposed to kill Ocelot as well. Didn't Ocelot send Liquid there to die or something? or he knew what was happening[/sp] Liquid pretty much gets everything done to him in MGS1. he probably would have frozen to death out there

They should've cut out the jeep chase scene at the end of MGS1 and just have had Liquid fall off of REX to trick you into thinking he's dead, only for him to appear in MGS2 [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=pointyface;48784829]Assuming Liquid did come back, I don't think he'd work with Ocelot again. Actually, what did happen between those two in MGS1? It's been some time since I've played it but I remember that FOXDIE [sp]was supposed to kill Liquid and Solid, but I don't remember if it was supposed to kill Ocelot as well. Didn't Ocelot send Liquid there to die or something? or he knew what was happening[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Ocelot had the vaccine IIRC[/sp]

[QUOTE=tempunary;48784833]They should've cut out the jeep chase scene at the end of MGS1 and just have had Liquid fall off of REX to trick you into thinking he's dead, only for him to appear in MGS2[/QUOTE] Kojima really thought that MGS1 was going to be the last, so he made sure to tie everything up (sans maybe the final convo? Maybe that was added in post) In the end, there's a lot they could have done with Liquid later, but due to circumstances things didn't work out that way. Ah well.

[QUOTE=pointyface;48784811]and learn how to parry. You can get through normal without it but if you plan to play past hard mode, you're going to fucking need it[/QUOTE] Starting to get the hang of it with the enemies I've already encountered. New ones with new moves and such are proving difficult because I can't time the attacks like I'm used to. I suppose this is why we play normal first

[QUOTE=tempunary;48784833]They should've cut out the jeep chase scene at the end of MGS1 and just have had Liquid fall off of REX to trick you into thinking he's dead, only for him to appear in MGS2 [editline]28th September 2015[/editline] [sp]Ocelot had the vaccine IIRC[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp]He was Solidus's inside man, remember? Ocelot was being a triple agent as usual, so of course they would code him into the FoxDie.[/sp]

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;48784974]The final conversation with Ocelot also implied that the foxdie inside Solid was going to activate soon "right on schedule" and kill him at that time. Obviously all those retcons happened.[/QUOTE] To be fair, FoxDie didn't kill Mantis or Vulcan Raven or a variety of others it was SUPPOSED to kill. It's entirely possible that shit just wasn't reliable. I don't think it had been field tested before then anyhow. [Editline].[/editline] There was also the part where Naomi coded the FoxDie to happen at a random time. Considering how FoxDie was entirely left up to her, she might have just gone against what Ocelot/Solidus said to do. Maybe Snake just got lucky and the time it would have activated was past the breakdown point :v:

foxdie just seemed cheap after like the first two deaths I hate it so bad in 4

[QUOTE=RikohZX;48784757][sp]Actually the Arsenal Gear would've (and does) slam into the New York coast and tear it a new one, which is why Raiden and Solidus suddenly fall out of the air onto Federal Hall when Arsenal was speeding for New York previously. However, the entire cutscene depicting this was removed from the game due to 9/11.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] the final fight also wouldve been snake vs ocelot and raiden vs solidus on city hall while surrounded with civilians and cops. wouldve been neat. raiden was also supposed to cut the american flag and have it drop down on solidus but that along with any flags at the final scene were cut due to 9/11 as well. [/sp]

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48782779]oh god send help what did i do [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/M6PfaYV.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Dem child bearing hips. :quagmire:

That makes me think of playing a whole game of nothing but child soldiers. Metal Gear Babies. Relive the legend of Big Baby.