Metal Gear Solid - A Hideo Kojima Thread - Flimsy Huey and the Phooey Fallacy - Games

[QUOTE=simkas;48797579]That would make absolutely no sense at all though.[/QUOTE] [Sp]Except half of Kaz's hate boner was directed at Cipher (despite Zero claiming innocence), and The Patriots have always been the "larger" enemy in the series since 2, so I don't see why it wouldn't make sense.[/sp] [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BFG9000;48797594]Woah woah wait I thought XOF was essentially Cipher?[/QUOTE] [Sp]Not at all. Before the events of Ground Zeroes, XOF essentially became a rogue unit no longer obeying Cipher. Cipher retakes control after Skull Face's death, however.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48797623][Sp]Except half of Kaz's hate boner was directed at Cipher (despite Zero claiming innocence), and The Patriots have always been the "larger" enemy in the series since 2, so I don't see why it wouldn't make sense.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Who would you fight then? Zero? Cipher has no ground force unit or whatever, that was XOF. Other than that, Cipher is pretty much just a shadow organization, there's no one specific that you could fight other than Zero, and he's revealed to not even be fully in charge of all that shit. XOF and Skullface were responsible for destroying MB and all that.[/sp]

[QUOTE=simkas;48797658][sp]Who would you fight then? Zero? Cipher has no ground force unit or whatever, that was XOF. Other than that, Cipher is pretty much just a shadow organization, there's no one specific that you could fight other than Zero, and he's revealed to not even be fully in charge of all that shit. XOF and Skullface were responsible for destroying MB and all that.[/sp][/QUOTE] kill [sp]paramedic[/sp]

[t]http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/mods/1091/images/76-3-1443638148.jpg[/t] "Vete a casa, Serpiente, y déjame hacer los combates"

[QUOTE=simkas;48797658][sp]Who would you fight then? Zero? Cipher has no ground force unit or whatever, that was XOF. Other than that, Cipher is pretty much just a shadow organization, there's no one specific that you could fight other than Zero, and he's revealed to not even be fully in charge of all that shit. XOF and Skullface were responsible for destroying MB and all that.[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp]Cipher regains control of XOF after Skull Face dies. Not that there *needs* to be a specific ground force to fight (PFs could fill that role), but XOF could have still been a factor. On the mission where you retake Code Talker's research, Kaz says something along the lines of "XOF choppers are inbound to take the research. You can't shoot them down, that would be a declaration of war against Cipher. That comes later." And there was that whole chapter ending speech about how Diamond Dogs aren't done yet, because Cipher is still out there and etc.[/sp]

It's too bad we never get to see how big Diamond Dogs really is. You only get a glimpse of it through the multiple chinooks they have and they have harriers according to the cut mission 51

[QUOTE=RikohZX;48797684][t]http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/mods/1091/images/76-3-1443638148.jpg[/t] "Vete a casa, Serpiente, y déjame hacer los combates"[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;pm_CbnS7V3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm_CbnS7V3k[/video]

[QUOTE=RikohZX;48797684][t]http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/mods/1091/images/76-3-1443638148.jpg[/t] "Vete a casa, Serpiente, y déjame hacer los combates"[/QUOTE] Now record the cutscene with [sp]huey on the lifeboat shouting "You should be on this lifeboat snake!"[/sp]

Poll: Is Revengeance worth playing?

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48797563][Sp]I'm disappointed we didn't get to directly fight Cipher in V. Kaz straight up says you would be several times after Chapter 1, and it was the next logical step for the story, but it just never happens :\[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Doesn't Kaz straight up say several times that DD actually shouldn't start a war with Cipher because it's so goddamn big?[/sp]

[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;48797822][sp]Doesn't Kaz straight up say several times that DD actually shouldn't start a war with Cipher because it's so goddamn big?[/sp][/QUOTE] Is it really though? To me they just kind of seem like the meme version of the Illuminati.

[sp]yes, notably in the mission where you have to extract code talker's boxes[/sp] [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=d00msdaydan;48797822][sp]Doesn't Kaz straight up say several times that DD actually shouldn't start a war with Cipher because it's so goddamn big?[/sp][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48797817]Poll: Is Revengeance worth playing?[/QUOTE] I'm having a ton of fun with it right now. I've never played the other games besides TPP but from what I've read, if you go into it with the attitude that it's not a Metal Gear game then you'll enjoy it.

[QUOTE=the_killer24;48797845][sp]yes, notably in the mission where you have to extract code talker's boxes[/sp] [editline]30th September 2015[/editline][/QUOTE] Hm, I guess I'll see for myself when I get to that mission. Also, what is code talker doing when he's [sp]talking to himself using gibberish phrases in a foreign language(s)? I just got to that cutscene and it kinda looks like he's trying to sabotage MB/ kill himself or something[/sp]

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48797817]Poll: Is Revengeance worth playing?[/QUOTE] It's great whether you're a Metal Gear fan or not. It may be my favorite character action game.

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48797817]Poll: Is Revengeance worth playing?[/QUOTE] [media]http://strawpoll.me/5622023[/media] There you go.

how'd you do that

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48797865]Hm, I guess I'll see for myself when I get to that mission. Also, what is code talker doing when he's [sp]talking to himself using gibberish phrases in a foreign language(s)? I just got to that cutscene and it kinda looks like he's trying to sabotage MB/ kill himself or something[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]He's speaking to the parasites that respond to various languages to find out what they know from info-gathering around the base.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RikohZX;48797890][sp]He's speaking to the parasites that respond to various languages to find out what they know from info-gathering around the base.[/sp][/QUOTE] WOOOAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I swear there's so much OP shit in the metal gear series that everything is a "weapon to surpass metal gear"

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48797910]WOOOAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I swear there's so much OP shit in the metal gear series that everything is a "weapon to surpass metal gear"[/QUOTE] To be fair the game pretty much explicitly goes that the [sp]parasites as a whole[/sp] are that weapon. Even despite the retcons that mean [sp]the Cobras were using the parasites for their powers previously.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48793777]This is why I do not still understand why they replaced Hayter with Kiefer. Kojima has been talking about how Kiefer could bring a really big range of emotions [B]with just his facial expressions and dramatic voice[/B], yet.... in almost every cutscene he's fucking silent with is infamous thousand-yard stare. I just don't understand.[/QUOTE] That's the point tho. He does exactly that. Like honestly guys I'm disappointed with the level of content, like how as a character he's almost not used, but VSnake is still great.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;48798055]That's the point tho. He does exactly that. Like honestly guys I'm disappointed with the level of content, like how he's a great character that's almost not used, but VSnake as a character is still great.[/QUOTE] Huh? I'm absolutely FLATTENED by the amount of content in this game. Maybe it's because the last AAA titles I played through were Advanced Warfare and Halo 4.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;48798055]That's the point tho. He does exactly that. Like honestly guys I'm disappointed with the level of content, like how as a character he's almost not used, but VSnake is still great.[/QUOTE] Honestly, the eyepatch and beard get in the way of actually seeing his goddamn expressions. [sp]My avatar's more clear facial features help them show better, but obviously the non-mission cutscenes mean I can't see them again as my Avatar, and the flashback missions also only allow Snake.[/sp]

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48798069]Huh? I'm absolutely FLATTENED by the amount of content in this game. Maybe it's because the last AAA titles I played through were Advanced Warfare and Halo 4.[/QUOTE] that just means those games were wildly underwhelming

[QUOTE=Combine 177;48797872][media]http://strawpoll.me/5622023[/media] There you go.[/QUOTE] Should had been both Yes.

[QUOTE=Leon;48798091]that just means those games were wildly underwhelming[/QUOTE] The thing is I can't name a single title that gives me the same feeling that this game does besides Pokemon. And I'm pretty sure that doesn't count these days. Like, the amount of time I've spent playing this game so far, I would have beaten Half Life 2 several times over. I would probably also be done with Legend of Zelda. And I'm only at the beginning of chapter 2!

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;48797817]Poll: Is Revengeance worth playing?[/QUOTE] Despite hating post-MGS2 Raiden with all my life it is one of the best character action games you could possibly play. If possible get the Jetstream DLC. It's short but Sam is literally Yojimbo reborn. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BFG9000;48798131]The thing is I can't name a single title that gives me the same feeling that this game does besides Pokemon. And I'm pretty sure that doesn't count these days. Like, the amount of time I've spent playing this game so far, I would have beaten Half Life 2 several times over. I would probably also be done with Legend of Zelda. And I'm only at the beginning of chapter 2![/QUOTE] Closest I could think of in terms of singleplayer experiences that get even close to this would have to be stuff like Chaos Theory or Deus Ex. The pure replay value is some of the strongest I've seen in an open world. Not even GTA has felt this addictive.

[B]STOP KILLING MY MEN[/B] i fucking hate how, since I haven't had time to play lately, every single fucking time i log I have 24 new dead security team members.

So when do S+ and S++ folks starts showing up?

[QUOTE=Mbbird;48798157][B]STOP KILLING MY MEN[/B] i fucking hate how, since I haven't had time to play lately, every single fucking time i log I have 24 new dead security team members.[/QUOTE] I just tell myself that they're entries in an online database somewhere and move on. I would be pretty sad if I lost characters like Amber and Gold Fox, or combat unit staff that I regularly play as. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;48798196]So when do S+ and S++ folks starts showing up?[/QUOTE] Once Chapter 2 starts.