[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49573239]The fact he's called something as stereotypical as Billy and that he's got a ghoul family waiting for him makes his existence an obvious joke and nothing to dwell on for long.
They had more money to spare so instead of being a note on a dead body it's a ten minute long quest.[/QUOTE]
If you're not supposed to dwell on it don't make it a quest. Don't make me interact with the characters. Don't place it in such a way that it'll probably be the first thing you find while heading to a high level area.
Does money/trading seem useless to anyone else? The markup for traders is so insanely high and you barely get any caps from doing anything. Why bother when you can just scavenge?
[QUOTE=fear me;49573288]Does money/trading seem useless to anyone else? The markup for traders is so insanely high and you barely get any caps from doing anything. Why bother when you can just scavenge?[/QUOTE]
I buy stuff fairly often since I haven't taken the ammo scavenging perk on any of my characters, so I'm constantly low on ammo. Buying rarer crafting materials is handy too.
I do wish loot sold for more though, guns are basically worthless, even stuff like plasma rifles and miniguns.
edit: note that I only have the barter perk on one character so that view may be a bit skewed
Can someone explain to me how companions turning hostile when you do friendly fire against them works? In the middle of combat i'll be unloading with spray and pray on a person, codsworth floats up to them, gets hit by the splash, and he becomes hostile. When i purposely bayonet him like 20 times he doesnt give any fucks though.
[URL="http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8745/?"]very important mod, a must download[/URL]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49573008]It's weird how people were okay with a DLC where brains in high tech jars would talk to you and say such things as "hand penises" for extended periods of time but then a joke quest about a kid getting stuck in a fridge for a hundred years pops up and people flip their shit.
I get that OWB was a lot better written but that doesn't make its content any less intentionally stupid.[/QUOTE]
what is tonal consistancy
I am 11 intelligence and cannot think to give [sp] father the god-damn immortality serum I happened to pick up.[/sp]
Sometimes bethesda really irks me.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49573470]I am 11 intelligence and cannot think to give [sp] father the god-damn immortality serum I happened to pick up.[/sp]
Sometimes bethesda really irks me.[/QUOTE]
[sp]The serum doesn't cure cancer. It temporarily reverts aging. Emphasis on temporary.[/sp]
[sp]I still don't understand how a group of people that can make Cyborg technology, Synth technology, liquid that can turn people into super mutants and teleportation by sound waves can't find a way to cure cancer.[/sp]
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;49573664][sp]I still don't understand how a group of people that can make Cyborg technology, Synth technology, liquid that can turn people into super mutants and teleportation by sound waves can't find a way to cure cancer.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]It's not exactly the same field. These NASA guys can launch rockets into space, explore other planets, and keep satellites in orbit. How come they haven't made a functional nuclear fusion reactor?[/sp]
[sp] if they can stick a pre-war cop (nick) into a synth body surely they can just upload fathers mind into a synth body. that might go against his "pure humanity" thing though[/sp]
[QUOTE=Kebab;49573689][sp] if they can stick a pre-war cop (nick) into a synth body surely they can just upload fathers mind into a synth body. that might go against his "pure humanity" thing though[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Father's supposed to be a tunnel visioned piece of shit who was too busy making slaves to notice his own degrading health.[/sp]
[sp] Make tiny ass robots that you inject into your bloodstream to eat cancer cells.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49573685][sp]It's not exactly the same field. These NASA guys can launch rockets into space, explore other planets, and keep satellites in orbit. How come they haven't made a functional nuclear fusion reactor?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] no, it's not the same field. rather than curing cancer they instead have the ability to make a perfect 1:1 replica of a human being with every single organ accounted for that can think and learn for itself [/sp]
[sp] dont you think SOMEWHERE in that super advanced science technolgoy, there exists a method to treat cancer? i imagine being able to literally create another adult body out of nothing would be quite advantageous, especially when your current one is dying [/sp]
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49573738][sp] no, it's not the same field. rather than curing cancer they instead have the ability to make a perfect 1:1 replica of a human being with every single organ accounted for that can think and learn for itself [/sp]
[sp] dont you think SOMEWHERE in that super advanced science technolgoy, there exists a method to treat cancer? i imagine being able to literally create another adult body out of nothing would be quite advantageous, especially when your current one is dying [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]We can clone organs in real life. It hasn't brought us any closer to curing cancer. It might one day, but that would require someone to actually do the research to find out. Just because you potentially have the means to do something doesn't mean it will be done.
If the Institute actually tried they probably could cure cancer, but they spent their time making synths instead.[/sp]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49573760]Of course it wouldn't be THAT shocking since [B]most people have more emotional investment in their breakfast than they do Fallout 4's story[/B], but still.[/QUOTE]
It was REALLY good french toast, to be fair
[sp]It's nice that the leaders of the factions do some noticeable mistakes with long term consequences and don't always go for the rational solutions, ie shit like Maxson being a shortsighted fuckwit[/sp]
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49573763][sp]We can clone organs in real life. It hasn't brought us any closer to curing cancer. It might one day, but that would require someone to actually do the research to find out. Just because you potentially have the means to do something doesn't mean it will be done.
If the Institute actually tried they probably could cure cancer, but they spent their time making synths instead.[/sp][/QUOTE]
real life isn't a concentrated science facility with a cult-like worship of a single person
[sp] i understand fundamentally why the institute doesn't have a cure for cancer, but it still doesn't make sense. the parts dont fit together properly. sure, the institute can't cure cancer, but why not? because they're concentrated on synths (and super mutants and augmentations i guess), but not a single person has done dissenting research into saving the life of the person they all worship? but people HAVE done dissenting research into synths being sentient, i guess. [/sp]
[sp] it just feels like they should have had more focus on the institutes short-comings as researchers. bethesda really made a mistake having the institute create literal human beings 2.0, because now their limitations don't exactly make sense unless you use the bullshit "well they're uh a cult designed around uh researching only very specific technologies and uh that's why they sit in a hole wasting their potential" excuse [/sp]
[sp]But the idea is that they were so blinded by their ability to create human beings 2.0 that they forgot to even care for their own health, hence shit like Father getting cancer.
Father was brought in for the sole purpose of the Synth program. As far as he cares, Synths are the only priority in his life, and that includes not giving half a shit if he's got cancer and whether or not he should treat it, because that'd take valuable time and resources away from creating seemingly stupid and useless shit like synthetic gorillas.[/sp]
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49573843]real life isn't a concentrated science facility with a cult-like worship of a single person
[sp] i understand fundamentally why the institute doesn't have a cure for cancer, but it still doesn't make sense. the parts dont fit together properly. sure, the institute can't cure cancer, but why not? because they're concentrated on synths (and super mutants and augmentations i guess), but not a single person has done dissenting research into saving the life of the person they all worship? but people HAVE done dissenting research into synths being sentient, i guess. [/sp]
[sp] it just feels like they should have had more focus on the institutes short-comings as researchers. bethesda really made a mistake having the institute create literal human beings 2.0, because now their limitations don't exactly make sense unless you use the bullshit "well they're uh a cult designed around uh researching only very specific technologies and uh that's why they sit in a hole wasting their potential" excuse [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Haven't fully played through the Institute questline so I may be missing some details, but isn't Father's cancer a secret? I doubt he'd have a team working to cure it if he doesn't want anyone to know, at least not a team big enough to handle something like that.
Cancer isn't an easy thing to cure, either.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49573863][sp]But the entire concept is that they were so blinded by their ability to create human beings 2.0 that they forgot to even care for their own health, hence shit like Father getting cancer[/sp][/QUOTE]
but it didn't work.
[sp] i dont have the institutes population at hand, but even after generations of being fed the same propaganda bullshit you wouldn't have an entire population of one place "too blinded" by their synths to look into literally any other form of technology. [/sp]
[sp] it's not a very compelling or well-written flaw that the institute just so happens to ignore certain aspects of reality just because. they're done research into FEV and augmentations (far along the line enough that they accidentally created an endless mutant army out of nothing and augmented a man to live well past his prime) but refuse to look into technology to save their cult figure? the fact that there are institute scientists that help synths escape should be proof enough that atleast ONE person would have started researching something to cure Father. [/sp]
[sp]Father may have also looked into using the FEV for a cure, which is why the project was kept up and running for a while even once Father got in charge for inexplicably no valid reasons.
Eitherway, Father saw more potential in pursuing the Synth program than diverging any additional funding to finding a cure, and since the other potential candidate for a solution (the human augmentation program) was already closed he didn't bother spending funds to reopen that either.
Basically Father cared more about efficient resource expenditure than about his own health and decided to keep the synth program running at its full capacity than diverge any funding towards finding a cure. It's not supposed to be a smart decision, and neither were decisions like keeping shit like Kellogg or the FEV Program active for so long.[/sp]
I mean sure in practice [sp]he could have searched and likely found a cure for cancer right as he even learned he had cancer but the thing is, Father decided to not do that because he saw more importance in the synth program than in his own health.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49573913][sp]Father may have also looked into using the FEV for a cure, which is why the project was kept up and running for a while even once Father got in charge for inexplicably no valid reasons.
Eitherway, Father saw more potential in pursuing the Synth program than diverging any additional funding to finding a cure, and since the other potential candidate for a solution (the human augmentation program) was already closed he didn't bother spending funds to reopen that either.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Which one was it? Father made no attempt to cure himself or he tried to cure himself using FEV? Because if Father DID try to cure himself, then it makes even less sense, because out of all things the Institute has the best chance to treat cancer. [/sp]
[sp] Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking "why wasn't father cured", I'm saying that it's a failure of world building that Bethesda didn't consider some aspects of the Institute. Their incredible advancements in technology having no impact on any other form of science is dismissed by "btw they just really really like synths and won't do anything else" and their lack of cure is just put up to "no one tried". It just seems really lazy to me, because it really does seem like the Institute was a place where cool human robots were made first, and an actual location with real people and a real history second. [/sp]
[quote] Basically Father cared more about efficient resource expenditure than about his own health and decided to keep the synth program running at its full capacity than diverge any funding towards finding a cure. It's not supposed to be a smart decision, and neither were decisions like keeping shit like Kellogg or the FEV Program active for so long. [/quote]
[sp] Decisions don't need to be smart. They need to make sense (well they don't even need do that either but that's not what Beth was going for) and be logical and consistent within a character, group or organization. Nothing the Institute does seems to serve it's own goals other than producing cool robot men for the player to beat up. [/sp]
[sp]It's a possibility that Father looked into FEV to cure himself but didn't look into any other options when that one failed. But without going into conjecture the general idea is that Father did not care much for a cure and did not bother opening new fields just to find it.
The Institute is hard-on focused on two things, synthetic life and resource production (be it energy or food). All other fields, despite being theoretically accessible to them, is of secondary concern because that is simply the directive that was chosen.
They didn't research cancer treatment or space flight or how to help out the people on the surface because they didn't want to. They're a research center primarily focused on production of food to sustain themselves and research in synthetic life.[/sp]
Their decision makes sense. [sp]Until Father learned recently he had cancer, the Institute was severely inclined towards synth research and such domains. Since Father is a brainwashed dumbass it makes sense that in his own logic he'd only look to pursue that specific thing rather than suddenly turn heels and dedicate a new team of scientists (assuming he even has oncologists around) to finding a cure for his illness.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49573947][sp]It's a possibility that Father looked into FEV to cure himself but didn't look into any other options when that one failed. But without going into conjecture the general idea is that Father did not care much for a cure and did not bother opening new fields just to find it.
The Institute is hard-on focused on two things, synthetic life and resource production (be it energy or food). All other fields, despite being theoretically accessible to them, is of secondary concern because that is simply the directive that was chosen.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] They didn't need to open up a new field though. With the logical progression of technology, it just seems so unlikely that you could get as far as being able to build a perfect human being from literal scratch without touching on break-throughs on how cancer affects the body. [/sp]
The [I]real[/I] problem though is [sp] that the institute just doesn't make sense in that regard. I know that they're focused on Synths, but the institute is full of scientists. Really, really, smart people. So why the hell are they all so dumb? [/sp]
Damn it I keep accidently clicking spoilers :<
[sp]Learning a scientific field takes years, mastering it takes a lifetime. They can't just be like "okay let's suddenly unlearn everything we know about bioscience and become oncologists instead".
They're scientists, not magicians.[/sp]
Has anyone recreated the gas station from the trailer and the main menu? Shit looks comfy af
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Is that gas station anywhere ingame, I haven't found it and it's kind of odd they'd remove it if it was so heavily featured in all the pre-release previews and shit.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;49573984]Has anyone recreated the gas station from the trailer and the main menu? Shit looks comfy af
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The Atom Cat's garage is the closest Red Rocket station to looking like that, but it isn't a settlement so you can't build there. The Red Rocket you first find is built incorrectly compared to this because the pumps are on the left and not the right.
If anything, this is probably just a custom made location for the shot and can't be found anywhere in-game.
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